It's not the shotty, it's you. I have no problem going 30+/2-4 with it.
The shotgun can kill anything in this game including a tank I've done it 3 times. " Make every shot count" is the best tip you can give another scout. So make them COUNT!

It's not the shotty, it's you. I have no problem going 30+/2-4 with it.
The shotgun can kill anything in this game including a tank I've done it 3 times. " Make every shot count" is the best tip you can give another scout. So make them COUNT!

I thought I was the only one who managed to kill a tank with a shotgun o.o

So three shots to a snipers back without any loss in health. What about the mini scout that I shot in the chest at 3m. Same thing happened there. And that's me? Your a freakin genius.

I guess its your connection?? play on the server that is best for you or wut ever, stop downloading **** while playing you need all the broadband you can get

I thought I was the only one who managed to kill a tank with a shotgun o.o

It could be my connection. But ask Lighning xVx how the shotty is working for him. You'll get the same response. Giving his reputation I assure, that u cant say its him.

Same. Not my connection.

Sometimes it's on, other times it isn't.

Anyone who runs the Shotgun regularly is well aware that it remains erratic and unpredictable.

How this week going shotty? Did you noticed its better since 3-4 days?

it was better. However it seems that over the past few days it gets worse and worse. When it works rite its fantastic. But as a scout, when u have even a single round not hit usually means your dead.

I have a dream that one day my shotgun will actually work two shots in a row.

Are you KBM or DS3?

He is absolutely right. There could be numerous reasons why it doesn't work but I will say a few things that might cause it too suddenly drop in performance when in combat.

1.) When being shot at from a high RoF weapon.
2.) Explosions/ Major fights
3.) Stunlocking
4.) Switching-Weapons
5.) Reloading
6.) High turn speeds
7.) RoF on Shotgun
8.) Running Fast and then aiming suddenly aim/shoot.


And possibly more, I have run SOLEY shotguns since closed beta, have fought some of the best shotgunners and exchanged ideas/views with them. They are broken and need to be addressed along with all the other weapons. I honestly don't know why everyone is approving for "More Content", when the gun play is sub-par and NEEDS to be fixed. Im sorry, CCP but you can't half-ass Core Mechanics and expect it to do "alright" along the way. The only weapons you made efficient in combat (IMO) are AR's, Mass Drivers and Splash Damage weaponry.

You're crazy, dude. I was fighting this guy with a shotgun today, a little one-v-one, you know, and he took me out in FOUR SHOTS. Four shots! So stupid overpowered, nerf shotguns. Any standard weapon that can take out my starter assault suit in four shots OBVIOUSLY needs a nerf!

Haaaaaaa

He is absolutely right. There could be numerous reasons why it doesn't work but I will say a few things that might cause it too suddenly drop in performance when in combat.

1.) When being shot at from a high RoF weapon.
2.) Explosions/ Major fights
3.) Stunlocking
4.) Switching-Weapons
5.) Reloading
6.) High turn speeds
7.) RoF on Shotgun
8.) Running Fast and then aiming suddenly aim/shoot.


And possibly more, I have run SOLEY shotguns since closed beta, have fought some of the best shotgunners and exchanged ideas/views with them. They are broken and need to be addressed along with all the other weapons. I honestly don't know why everyone is approving for "More Content", when the gun play is sub-par and NEEDS to be fixed. Im sorry, CCP but you can't half-ass Core Mechanics and expect it to do "alright" along the way. The only weapons you made efficient in combat (IMO) are AR's, Mass Drivers and Splash Damage weaponry.

We Just need to know how things go with KBM shotgunner

I assume that since plasma cannons can ohk, you think they need a nerf too.

Oh I can tell you that, Calamity & Annie....Oh wait they also left because of KBM and Shotguns....hmm, guess Im not crazy for thinking Shotguns are broken after all.

I guess its your connection?? play on the server that is best for you or wut ever, stop downloading **** while playing you need all the broadband you can get

Agree, i just dont understand why sometimes is working well and other time its terrible

It proves my point that no matter how much stuff you put into a game if it don't work, then fix it. I understand people are frustrated with the lack of content, but you have to think of it this way. This is a FPS at it's core in a MMO space, if you can't get the core right then don't make this a shooter. PERIOD.

Works better than my knives lately, but smg for the win

Breach seems more comfortable then the regular variant,but thats just me(probabaly from the tighten spared/aim assist).If only the thing had 4 shells insted of 2

Your ping on the server could be terrible or some ass that doesn't like to play on his server and comes over to your server with terrible ping and ruins it for everyone when he is teleporting everywhere. idk i have no problem with shotguns not even in pc battles

In 1.6 there are further improvements to hit detection as well as some specific improvements for the shotgun and the Nova Knives.

In 1.6 there are further improvements to hit detection as well as some specific improvements for the shotgun and the Nova Knives.

Unless they get pushed back to 1.7

You mean the scrambler pistol right? THEN the smg.

Snap! :-)

These fixes should be a safe bet (famous last words)

In 1.6 there are further improvements to hit detection as well as some specific improvements for the shotgun and the Nova Knives.

In 1.6 there are further improvements to hit detection as well as some specific improvements for the shotgun and the Nova Knives.

In 1.6 there are further improvements to hit detection as well as some specific improvements for the shotgun and the Nova Knives.

So what happen to the confirm comment that 1.5 will have tank vs av balance and new weapons, don't make promises until you are sure it possible

I finally got the scram to 4 in chrome then next day was uprising, so soon I ll do it again but tbh I've never really used one

It's unfortunate but sometimes these things happen in development. I can preface comments with 'should be in' but I'd rather not stop talking about what we're aiming to do. In the case of these hit detection improvements I'm pretty sure they'll be in (since they were submitted to the branch on Friday and have tested well so far) but I'll not know 100% until the build is locked down, gone through testing, submission etc.

Snap! :-)

These fixes should be a safe bet (famous last words)

Morathi has speculated that delays between shots improve hit detection.
If he is correct (he usually is) this would explain why you've found the Breach more reliable.

The Breach was great in Chromosome as targets had lower eHP.
Given its clip-size and ammo capacity, tt'd need a substantial damage buff to be balanced in today's Dust.

Non-Breach Shotguns could use a damage buff as well. CQC fights vs ARs are all too often a toss up.

By definition shouodnt balance imply its a toss up? Like between two diffrent skill sets? Ability or even luck, surely you domt always expect to dominate and win even in cqc just because you have a shotty? The problem is not the gun, its people trying to run the gun and kill assaults and heavies in scout suits, remember if your in a scout suit your not a killer, your a scout, shot gun works really well in a fast minmatar suit as well, seeing how you can make the assault min faster than the scout, or at least as fast......

you sure that won't be delayed?

Hey wolf, any word on a scout buff coming?

Well since ccp wolfman is posting ill let him talk about it if he wants too.

Snap! :-)

These fixes should be a safe bet (famous last words)

Why cannot you not understand that vehicles would like just 1 patch to themselves...


Let me tell you something bud, if the DEV's can't fix core mechanics in a FPS, then who the hell is going too play this. True, vehicles are important but A LOT of you guys are doing pretty fine right now on your KDR's/ stats, you'll be alright just calm down and keep red line sniping with a rail gun tank or something.
















Or 1 patch at all.

Unless they get pushed back to 1.7

By definition shouodnt balance imply its a toss up? Like between two diffrent skill sets? Ability or even luck, surely you domt always expect to dominate and win even in cqc just because you have a shotty? The problem is not the gun, its people trying to run the gun and kill assaults and heavies in scout suits, remember if your in a scout suit your not a killer, your a scout, shot gun works really well in a fast minmatar suit as well, seeing how you can make the assault min faster than the scout, or at least as fast......

By definition shouodnt balance imply its a toss up? Like between two diffrent skill sets? Ability or even luck, surely you domt always expect to dominate and win even in cqc just because you have a shotty?

The problem is not the gun, its people trying to run the gun and kill assaults and heavies in scout suits, remember if your in a scout suit your not a killer, your a scout, shot gun works really well in a fast minmatar suit as well, seeing how you can make the assault min faster than the scout, or at least as fast......

I have a dream that one day my shotgun will actually work two shots in a row.

Same. Not my connection.

Sometimes it's on, other times it isn't.

Anyone who runs the Shotgun regularly is well aware that it remains erratic and unpredictable.

This reminds me of that Martin Luther King's keyboard guy...

I have been thinking about using a Duvolle AR in place of the shotgun. I mean up close the low fps makes it so hard to hit the fool. Realistically the AR can probably kill someone in the back just as fast as my shotgun would, with the added benefit of long range takedowns and spray and prey ability up close too.

Doing exactly this.

Took roughly two weeks to level up AR skills from naught to Operation V, Sharpshooter III, Proficiency III.

Granted, I can't stack damage mods but the Duvolle (and GEK) drop targets from behind ever-so-slightly slower than a Shotgun does when its working properly. You'll still have problems dropping Proto Mediums from behind, but you would've had the same problems with them with a Shotgun anyway.

It's also worth mentioning that I win upwards of 75% of CQC encounters versus Shotgunners when running AR. This observation annoys me -- almost as much as how well backpedaling works -- but if you can't beat 'em join 'em, right?

Folks seems to forget that specialty weapons come with severely restricted operational parameters. By specialty weapons, I'm referring to the Laser Rifle (optimal at long range, zero affect up close) and Shotguns (optimal up close, zero affect at range).

When a merc uses a specialty weapon within the restricted bounds of its operational parameters, "balance" dictates that he should have the upper hand against jack-of-all-trade weapons (like ARs and ScRs).

The expectation (and frequent observation) of toss-up is clear indication of imbalance. If a jack-of-all-trade weapon has equal odds of success -- with zero functional restrictions -- then there exists no point to restricting oneself by using specialty weapons.


I do not recall CCP stating that a Scout's role is restricted to Recon. I distinctly recall reading "assassin" in CCP's description of the Scout.

I agree with you that Scouts have no place standing toe-to-toe with mediums and heavies, swapping blows and crying foul when they die. I disagree with you if you think its "OK" for a mark to have opportunity to respond and/or prevail if an Assassin Scout successfully sneaks up behind him with a Knife or Shotgun.

this is sad. They should do something about hipfire dispersion on AR's. Ive used them for a long time and have outperformed many shotgunners. I am new to scout but I will continue to use it. Regsrdless of how broken the shotgun and scout suit is, I cant think of a more fun way to enjoy the game. These fixes and buffs cant come soon enough.

Hope they dont buff the shotgun stats or it will be OP

Its not the guns man I keep trying to tell you people, its the suit your putting the sg with. Everyone does not have the skill to be Djinn Marauder, your using a shot gun on a scout suit, I mean for what? Speed? Stealth? But your facing proto logis with 900 ehp and duvolle with 2 or 3 damage mods? You think a scout shotty will be able to touch that? Your using a great weapon on terrible suits for combat, scout suit shot guns are just way to situational, Im telling you guys trying running your shottys on something other than a scout, this isnt cod, fast shot guns are not the end all be all.... Your facing guns that do great dps, in suit where people with many more ehp and module slots.... Do shottys feel like this is a new problem? Not the hit detection, just the rest, I mean sg scouts have never been dominant, before aa, you had a few really good players running scout flaylock combos that were really good but they got nerfed, ccp doesnt want this fast scout dominated battlefield, they want slow tactical movement.... Dont misunderstand this isnt my opinion, its just what is. For the record I do run adv scout, gallente, but with 2 carthum pistols, maybe try that, its fun.....

I have been using Shotgun ever since Chromosome and find your comment hard to digest. The thing is though their are some Shotgunners such as myself that do well against Proto Suits, but the unfortunate side is when someone has crazy lag, it'll COMPLETELY ruin the experience for a us. It's the dispersion/hit detection, though the shotgun kills usually in one hit, there are other times you can see someone standing still, move 1-2 feet and it won't even register the shot. CCP needs to fix the game as far as network coding, hit detection, collision and optimization (Smoothing) to allow the shotgun to shine. (IMO)

In 1.6 there are further improvements to hit detection as well as some specific improvements for the shotgun and the Nova Knives.