you sure that won't be delayed?

Hey wolf, any word on a scout buff coming?

Well since ccp wolfman is posting ill let him talk about it if he wants too.

Snap! :-)

These fixes should be a safe bet (famous last words)

Why cannot you not understand that vehicles would like just 1 patch to themselves...


Let me tell you something bud, if the DEV's can't fix core mechanics in a FPS, then who the hell is going too play this. True, vehicles are important but A LOT of you guys are doing pretty fine right now on your KDR's/ stats, you'll be alright just calm down and keep red line sniping with a rail gun tank or something.
















Or 1 patch at all.

Unless they get pushed back to 1.7

By definition shouodnt balance imply its a toss up? Like between two diffrent skill sets? Ability or even luck, surely you domt always expect to dominate and win even in cqc just because you have a shotty? The problem is not the gun, its people trying to run the gun and kill assaults and heavies in scout suits, remember if your in a scout suit your not a killer, your a scout, shot gun works really well in a fast minmatar suit as well, seeing how you can make the assault min faster than the scout, or at least as fast......

By definition shouodnt balance imply its a toss up? Like between two diffrent skill sets? Ability or even luck, surely you domt always expect to dominate and win even in cqc just because you have a shotty?

The problem is not the gun, its people trying to run the gun and kill assaults and heavies in scout suits, remember if your in a scout suit your not a killer, your a scout, shot gun works really well in a fast minmatar suit as well, seeing how you can make the assault min faster than the scout, or at least as fast......

I have a dream that one day my shotgun will actually work two shots in a row.

Same. Not my connection.

Sometimes it's on, other times it isn't.

Anyone who runs the Shotgun regularly is well aware that it remains erratic and unpredictable.

This reminds me of that Martin Luther King's keyboard guy...

I have been thinking about using a Duvolle AR in place of the shotgun. I mean up close the low fps makes it so hard to hit the fool. Realistically the AR can probably kill someone in the back just as fast as my shotgun would, with the added benefit of long range takedowns and spray and prey ability up close too.

Doing exactly this.

Took roughly two weeks to level up AR skills from naught to Operation V, Sharpshooter III, Proficiency III.

Granted, I can't stack damage mods but the Duvolle (and GEK) drop targets from behind ever-so-slightly slower than a Shotgun does when its working properly. You'll still have problems dropping Proto Mediums from behind, but you would've had the same problems with them with a Shotgun anyway.

It's also worth mentioning that I win upwards of 75% of CQC encounters versus Shotgunners when running AR. This observation annoys me -- almost as much as how well backpedaling works -- but if you can't beat 'em join 'em, right?

Folks seems to forget that specialty weapons come with severely restricted operational parameters. By specialty weapons, I'm referring to the Laser Rifle (optimal at long range, zero affect up close) and Shotguns (optimal up close, zero affect at range).

When a merc uses a specialty weapon within the restricted bounds of its operational parameters, "balance" dictates that he should have the upper hand against jack-of-all-trade weapons (like ARs and ScRs).

The expectation (and frequent observation) of toss-up is clear indication of imbalance. If a jack-of-all-trade weapon has equal odds of success -- with zero functional restrictions -- then there exists no point to restricting oneself by using specialty weapons.


I do not recall CCP stating that a Scout's role is restricted to Recon. I distinctly recall reading "assassin" in CCP's description of the Scout.

I agree with you that Scouts have no place standing toe-to-toe with mediums and heavies, swapping blows and crying foul when they die. I disagree with you if you think its "OK" for a mark to have opportunity to respond and/or prevail if an Assassin Scout successfully sneaks up behind him with a Knife or Shotgun.

this is sad. They should do something about hipfire dispersion on AR's. Ive used them for a long time and have outperformed many shotgunners. I am new to scout but I will continue to use it. Regsrdless of how broken the shotgun and scout suit is, I cant think of a more fun way to enjoy the game. These fixes and buffs cant come soon enough.

Hope they dont buff the shotgun stats or it will be OP

Its not the guns man I keep trying to tell you people, its the suit your putting the sg with. Everyone does not have the skill to be Djinn Marauder, your using a shot gun on a scout suit, I mean for what? Speed? Stealth? But your facing proto logis with 900 ehp and duvolle with 2 or 3 damage mods? You think a scout shotty will be able to touch that? Your using a great weapon on terrible suits for combat, scout suit shot guns are just way to situational, Im telling you guys trying running your shottys on something other than a scout, this isnt cod, fast shot guns are not the end all be all.... Your facing guns that do great dps, in suit where people with many more ehp and module slots.... Do shottys feel like this is a new problem? Not the hit detection, just the rest, I mean sg scouts have never been dominant, before aa, you had a few really good players running scout flaylock combos that were really good but they got nerfed, ccp doesnt want this fast scout dominated battlefield, they want slow tactical movement.... Dont misunderstand this isnt my opinion, its just what is. For the record I do run adv scout, gallente, but with 2 carthum pistols, maybe try that, its fun.....

I have been using Shotgun ever since Chromosome and find your comment hard to digest. The thing is though their are some Shotgunners such as myself that do well against Proto Suits, but the unfortunate side is when someone has crazy lag, it'll COMPLETELY ruin the experience for a us. It's the dispersion/hit detection, though the shotgun kills usually in one hit, there are other times you can see someone standing still, move 1-2 feet and it won't even register the shot. CCP needs to fix the game as far as network coding, hit detection, collision and optimization (Smoothing) to allow the shotgun to shine. (IMO)

In 1.6 there are further improvements to hit detection as well as some specific improvements for the shotgun and the Nova Knives.