True, which is why things are changing......

doubt it. The forge and swarm launcher will always be anti TANK weapons. That means they will obliterate anything that is not a tank with ease

Because all AV weapons are designed to take down tanks. A MAV would not be maneuverable enough to make a forge miss or escape swarms consistently. Proto anti tank weapons are the only AV in dust and they already solo tanks. So my gunlogi with 40% passive resist and 5k shields is destroyed by proto forge gunners in 4 shots. So a MAV would be destroyed in 2? And these things could be troop transports? thats an easy 5+ kills. all im sayin. MAVs can not survive in dust, the AV is too strong

Like really

Maybe if it had enough HP without mods it could be fitted purely with repair and resistance plates, but I totally agree at the mo

LLAVs dont kill anyone! A MAV is going to be something people want to get kills with. Like the MTAC (the walker suit). and it, along with the other MAVs, will not be able to escape anti tank weaponry because they are not maneuverable enough. BTW, look at the scout lavs. No one uses them because they suck. all they do is blow up and get no kills. just like future MAVs will

Are the MAVs gonna be APC like? If they are I could see them being faster than tanks, maybe armor somewhere in the rough ballpark of a tank. No big gun, obviously, to justify all of this, just anti infantry weapons at most. This would create the mechanized infantry situation and ground troops would be able to keep up with fast advancing tank forces. Probably would want higher player counts to really make it work well. Of course, that's assuming the MAV is an APC type, I have no idea. At some point a few weeks back I saw someone reference a Mech, then someone said that would be an MTAC or something, I don't know. Anyway, i'm rambling.

I do totally agree with you though. If all AV is balanced around just killing tanks, then yeah, everything else is going to have it pretty rough.

EDIT: APC like I see.

-Sorry sorry . I must correct you there.Im not talking about killing. Im talking about taking hits and surviving. Hell, combined with dam reduction mods and speed they are harder to kill than tanks.
If MAV's had MORE HP and slightly less speed they would outlive both tanks and LLAVs as they are now....
-I know Scouts LAV's suck, i did not start playing yesterday.
-With 4 turrets an MAV will have more HP than an LLAV, more speed than a tank and a LOT of Anti-Infantry Firepower.Just saying, they would have a niche in DUST.Hell, i might even use one to transport my squad....

-Sorry sorry . I must correct you there.Im not talking about killing. Im talking about taking hits and surviving. Hell, combined with dam reduction mods and speed they are harder to kill than tanks.
If MAV's had MORE HP and slightly less speed they would outlive both tanks and LLAVs as they are now....
-I know Scouts LAV's suck, i did not start playing yesterday.
-With 4 turrets an MAV will have more HP than an LLAV, more speed than a tank and a LOT of Anti-Infantry Firepower.Just saying, they would have a niche in DUST.Hell, i might even use one to transport my squad....

So you're complaining that LAVs as they are, are too fast? And that it's not fair they can fit passive shield and armor hardeners?

yeah the MTAC is a MAV walker, like a mini gundam suit. Other MAVs would be APCs, that is confirmed. Dunno what other MAVs there will be, but none of these will be able to fit in tight spaces, turn sharply or reach the speeds like LAVs to doge/escape the anti tank AV. They are extremely simple to use and even more extremely easy mode, theres no way theyd be able to doge them consistently. So yeah... because everything is made to kill tanks these things are going to be dead quick. Waste of SP

Nope,you are putting words in my mouth as usual.trying to troll and failing,as usual. Im saying MAVs do have a role in Dust514.

I'm not trolling at all. You're still complaining that vehicles have any advantage at all over AV.

-Sorry sorry . I must correct you there.Im not talking about killing. Im talking about taking hits and surviving. Hell, combined with dam reduction mods and speed they are harder to kill than tanks.
If MAV's had MORE HP and slightly less speed they would outlive both tanks and LLAVs as they are now....
-I know Scouts LAV's suck, i did not start playing yesterday.
-With 4 turrets an MAV will have more HP than an LLAV, more speed than a tank and a LOT of Anti-Infantry Firepower.Just saying, they would have a niche in DUST.Hell, i might even use one to transport my squad....

[quote=KING CHECKMATE]
Where did I mention anything about scout LAVs?

Dude, are you on medication?

I'm easy to understand, and type like someone that majored in English without using big, fancy words and some words you only knew because of the American SATs. I also usually put my arguments in a logical, easy to understand, precise manner. That you're saying that, basically tells me you've given up trying to respond to me, because you're just not able to, not because you can't understand what I'm saying.

Ohhh.. so you are not trying to make any points, just trying to make me look bad in every single post i make. Well , i dont give a **** HOW you write,you still sound ret@rded.

And im sorry, but as you MAY or MIGHT NOT KNOW, english is not the only language in the world.Sorry if i not write like : ''like someone that majored in English'' , but i dont need it to write my opinion.

..I.. ( -.- )

As always you are off topic,just pointing out my mistakes and trying to troll me, FAIL again. Get a grip...

Because all AV weapons are designed to take down tanks. A MAV would not be maneuverable enough to make a forge miss or escape swarms consistently. Proto anti tank weapons are the only AV in dust and they already solo tanks. So my gunlogi with 40% passive resist and 5k shields is destroyed by proto forge gunners in 4 shots. So a MAV would be destroyed in 2? And these things could be troop transports? thats an easy 5+ kills. all im sayin. MAVs can not survive in dust, the AV is too strong

So I make you look bad by pointing out how dumb your posts are?

This!

as i said before, LLAVs have built in resist, will be more mobile than MAVs, and do not kill anyone. MAVs will not be as mobile, will be attempting to get kills, and will not have any or as much built in resist. They are not LLAVs, they have completly different roles

The APC would avoid the enemy with scanners. Problem solved.

doubt it. The forge and swarm launcher will always be anti TANK weapons. That means they will obliterate anything that is not a tank with ease. Forges and swarms are easy mode, and easy mode will be rewarded when they release MAVs

MAVs don't necessarily need to have less eHP than HAVs- they could just greatly sacrifice weaponry.

Hey look, a thread speculating about something we know literally nothing about, not even if it has zero resists or a passive 80%, or innate modules or how fast or slow or how many slots or what color it is...

And people are already argueing about how MAVs are balanced/unbalanced... Even though MAVs literally have zero info on them...

Don't see why MAV's can't essentiall be HAV''s without the turret, and a lot more speed.

but... its a MAV. No tank anywhere in history or any other video game has had less protection than an APC. Thats like, completely against the rules of making vehicles. But then again, gattling guns are called HMGs and these "HMGs" dont have the stoping power or range of an assualt rifle. So i geuss it would "make sence" for the tank to be the weakest vehicle too?

Think Warhammer 40k.

All Space marine, and most other races tanks simply use a Standard Template of Construction, much like in reality a couple of APC's could look similar to the HAV, but sacrifice armour and fire power for much better speed.

Don't worry we are getting proto tanks in 1.5 ... nevermind let's say 3.0 to make sure it happens

lol theyre not even sure how to balance them. try 4.0

Let's not speculate SoonTM

Well HERE is MY vision on how MAVs should be. Of course. Please take into consideration i think of this in a world where tanks ALREADY have at least a 50% TOTAL HP buff (were tanks run with 6000 HP MINIMUm....)

I was thinking something like:

Gallante MAV-BREACH APC:
900 SHields
2200 Armor (Without modules)
15% default Armor Resistance
1Med Turret (Gunner)
1Small turret (Driver)
Space, up to 4 passangers.
Good PRecision scan and range.
Speed : Faster than the fastest tank.
50-Shield regen per sec (Caldaris would have MORE)

Gallante MAV-LOGI APC
800 Shields
2300 Armor
20% Default Armor resistance
1 Med Turret (Gunner)
Enough PG / CPU for a repairer (to fulfil Logi purposes)
embedded CRU.
Speed : Faster than the fastest tank.
50-Shield regen per sec
5 passanger capacity

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Say a GOOD (as an example) Gallante MAV-Breach APC would have
Around (With passives included):

1080 SHields
4450 Armor
25 Passive Armor damage resistance
1 SMall cycled Missile launcher
1 MEd Turret
at least 1 Active Damage reductor
Scan Precision of 38 range 50 mts
Shield regen of 62.5 per sec (and this is not even a shield MAV)
Faster than any tanks, a little slower than a tanked Gallante LLAV.

A GOOD Gallante Logi APC-MAV would be :
960 Shields
4700 Armor
1 Med Turret
CRU and Remote rapair
around 30-34% Passive dam resistance
At least 27% dam reduction active module for then the Sh**storm unleashes.
Faster than any tank but slightly slower than the Breach MAV.
Also has worst turning speed due to increased ''weight''.
The Logi MAV can choose to NOT EQUIP ANY WEAPON in order to have more pace for other modules.
The CRU comes as if it was a MLT Blueprint so it must be equipped in every MAV-LAV.

Well HERE is MY vision on how MAVs should be. Of course. Please take into consideration i think of this in a world where tanks ALREADY have at least a 50% TOTAL HP buff (were tanks run with 6000 HP MINIMUm....)

I was thinking something like:

Gallante MAV-BREACH APC:
900 SHields
2200 Armor (Without modules)
15% default Armor Resistance
1Med Turret (Gunner)
1Small turret (Driver)
Space, up to 4 passangers.
Good PRecision scan and range.
Speed : Faster than the fastest tank.
50-Shield regen per sec (Caldaris would have MORE)

Gallante MAV-LOGI APC
800 Shields
2300 Armor
20% Default Armor resistance
1 Med Turret (Gunner)
Enough PG / CPU for a repairer (to fulfil Logi purposes)
embedded CRU.
Speed : Faster than the fastest tank.
50-Shield regen per sec
5 passanger capacity

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Say a GOOD (as an example) Gallante MAV-Breach APC would have
Around (With passives included):

1080 SHields
4450 Armor
25 Passive Armor damage resistance
1 SMall cycled Missile launcher
1 MEd Turret
at least 1 Active Damage reductor
Scan Precision of 38 range 50 mts
Shield regen of 62.5 per sec (and this is not even a shield MAV)
Faster than any tanks, a little slower than a tanked Gallante LLAV.

A GOOD Gallante Logi APC-MAV would be :
960 Shields
4700 Armor
1 Med Turret
CRU and Remote rapair
around 30-34% Passive dam resistance
At least 27% dam reduction active module for then the Sh**storm unleashes.
Faster than any tank but slightly slower than the Breach MAV.
Also has worst turning speed due to increased ''weight''.
The Logi MAV can choose to NOT EQUIP ANY WEAPON in order to have more pace for other modules.
The CRU comes as if it was a MLT Blueprint so it must be equipped in every MAV-LAV.

---

Isee MAVs being a lot faster than tanks but with a LOT less manuverability (sorry i know i wrote tht wrong) than LAVs , having to HEAVILY slow downt to take curves, there by thats their weak spot....

The MAV should be like Sunderer in Planetside 2, heavily armored 2 AI/whatever guns, and a mobile spawn point once deployed.

By deployed I mean it has to be sitting still, with an activated mod. It cant move until the mod is turned off (though that does not take a long time). This will leave the mobile spawns to the LDropships, and you should probably take the spawn capability away from tanks.

Hey look, a thread speculating about something we know literally nothing about, not even if it has zero resists or a passive 80%, or innate modules or how fast or slow or how many slots or what color it is...

And people are already argueing about how MAVs are balanced/unbalanced... Even though MAVs literally have zero info on them...

i have to agree mostly. very nice checkmate, but i think they would have around 35% resist after they apply the passive mods. But why are you assuming tanks would have 6k main tank minimum? minimum as in base, before mods? Antispating an HP buff for vehicals? I am too tbh

Well HERE is MY vision on how MAVs should be. Of course. Please take into consideration i think of this in a world where tanks ALREADY have at least a 50% TOTAL HP buff (were tanks run with 6000 HP MINIMUm....)

I was thinking something like:

Gallante MAV-BREACH APC:
900 SHields
2200 Armor (Without modules)
15% default Armor Resistance
1Med Turret (Gunner)
1Small turret (Driver)
Space, up to 4 passangers.
Good PRecision scan and range.
Speed : Faster than the fastest tank.
50-Shield regen per sec (Caldaris would have MORE)

Gallante MAV-LOGI APC
800 Shields
2300 Armor
20% Default Armor resistance
1 Med Turret (Gunner)
Enough PG / CPU for a repairer (to fulfil Logi purposes)
embedded CRU.
Speed : Faster than the fastest tank.
50-Shield regen per sec
5 passanger capacity

---

Say a GOOD (as an example) Gallante MAV-Breach APC would have
Around (With passives included):

1080 SHields
4450 Armor
25 Passive Armor damage resistance
1 SMall cycled Missile launcher
1 MEd Turret
at least 1 Active Damage reductor
Scan Precision of 38 range 50 mts
Shield regen of 62.5 per sec (and this is not even a shield MAV)
Faster than any tanks, a little slower than a tanked Gallante LLAV.

A GOOD Gallante Logi APC-MAV would be :
960 Shields
4700 Armor
1 Med Turret
CRU and Remote rapair
around 30-34% Passive dam resistance
At least 27% dam reduction active module for then the Sh**storm unleashes.
Faster than any tank but slightly slower than the Breach MAV.
Also has worst turning speed due to increased ''weight''.
The Logi MAV can choose to NOT EQUIP ANY WEAPON in order to have more pace for other modules.
The CRU comes as if it was a MLT Blueprint so it must be equipped in every MAV-LAV.

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Isee MAVs being a lot faster than tanks but with a LOT less manuverability (sorry i know i wrote tht wrong) than LAVs , having to HEAVILY slow downt to take curves, there by thats their weak spot....

Change the CRU to supply depot. The only vehicle that has a mobile supply depot. Also, they should get a full squad carrying capacity. Why? Because the pilot and gunner should operate the vehicle at all times. If they need to, they can just recall it. I'm assuming your Breach MAV idea was a Assault DS on the ground, so they should get a module that gives them a high resistance in the front of the MAV, so they can keep on going, you know, breach. Rest looks good.

Because all AV weapons are designed to take down tanks. A MAV would not be maneuverable enough to make a forge miss or escape swarms consistently. Proto anti tank weapons are the only AV in dust and they already solo tanks. So my gunlogi with 40% passive resist and 5k shields is destroyed by proto forge gunners in 4 shots. So a MAV would be destroyed in 2? And these things could be troop transports? thats an easy 5+ kills. all im sayin. MAVs can not survive in dust, the AV is too strong

40% resistance and 5k shields would require 6 shots from a proto forge. 40% passive doesn't add 40% to 5k, it reduces the damage the forge does per shot. Which means the forge gunner has to shoot more.

Add some hardeners and other damage reducing modules, and you are nearly invincible with plenty of time to go run and hide. If your getting killed in 4 shots from a forge, then you are doing it wrong. Even with my proto assault forge (prof at level 2 or 3) and 2 complex damage mods, I've seen many tanks survive nearly two clips and then causally drive away to rep/recall.

NICE.IDEA. +1

CRU placement BONUS for BREACH MAV.(So while equipping it,except the slot , it wont take too much CPU/PG) This way the ''Breach MAV'' wont stay without an unmanned turret for long.
Nanohive Coil (supply depo renamed LOL) for the Logi.(Gives ammo and repairs ARMOR).

uuugh....sweet..

Well, the LLV's repping ability should stay there, but a giant nanohive surrounding the MAV sounds fun

Because you're doing it wrong. You think that shooting through a HAV's repps is smart. AV better.

Well at least by 2016 when MAVs are released, we might actually have halfway balanced AV

AV better? Thought AVing was completely talentless? I mean it is just point and click. See tank -> Shoot tank.

Also is there some kind of advertisement from the tank to all enemy players that they have activated or exhausted their reps?

Well yes .as it is, between LAVs and HAVs the Base HP diference is minimal.
You have a Caldari HAV with 2800-3000 ish Shields and a LLAv with 1800-2000 LOL. 1k Difference?
where are you going to put MAVs? In the 2400s? Nah

say caldari LLAVs should go around 2000 shields(this without modules included) (with some extention and damage reduction they get around)
MAV's Aroudn the 3000's and HAV's around the 4000-5000's ...(plus the armor in the case of the caldari , rounded up between 5800-6200 total HP, without mods.)

IMo that is.

With this tanks could rack up to the 10000 total HP, while still having enough slots to equip other IMPORTANT stuff,like active scanners,heat sinks , NITRO, mobile CRU's more hardeners , etc...

MORE BASE HP = More slots to work with

As it is i think tanks are wasting too many slots trying to survive and cannot really fit modulesto increase turret efficiency, torque,active scanners and other cool stuff they have available.....

40% resistance and 5k shields would require 6 shots from a proto forge. 40% passive doesn't add 40% to 5k, it reduces the damage the forge does per shot. Which means the forge gunner has to shoot more.

Add some hardeners and other damage reducing modules, and you are nearly invincible with plenty of time to go run and hide. If your getting killed in 4 shots from a forge, then you are doing it wrong. Even with my proto assault forge (prof at level 2 or 3) and 2 complex damage mods, I've seen many tanks survive nearly two clips and then causally drive away to rep/recall.

Because all AV weapons are designed to take down tanks. A MAV would not be maneuverable enough to make a forge miss or escape swarms consistently. Proto anti tank weapons are the only AV in dust and they already solo tanks. So my gunlogi with 40% passive resist and 5k shields is destroyed by proto forge gunners in 4 shots. So a MAV would be destroyed in 2? And these things could be troop transports? thats an easy 5+ kills. all im sayin. MAVs can not survive in dust, the AV is too strong

(Doubts about Dust making it trough 2014)

Because all AV weapons are designed to take down tanks. A MAV would not be maneuverable enough to make a forge miss or escape swarms consistently. Proto anti tank weapons are the only AV in dust and they already solo tanks. So my gunlogi with 40% passive resist and 5k shields is destroyed by proto forge gunners in 4 shots. So a MAV would be destroyed in 2? And these things could be troop transports? thats an easy 5+ kills. all im sayin. MAVs can not survive in dust, the AV is too strong