True, which is why things are changing......

Like really

Maybe if it had enough HP without mods it could be fitted purely with repair and resistance plates, but I totally agree at the mo

Are the MAVs gonna be APC like? If they are I could see them being faster than tanks, maybe armor somewhere in the rough ballpark of a tank. No big gun, obviously, to justify all of this, just anti infantry weapons at most. This would create the mechanized infantry situation and ground troops would be able to keep up with fast advancing tank forces. Probably would want higher player counts to really make it work well. Of course, that's assuming the MAV is an APC type, I have no idea. At some point a few weeks back I saw someone reference a Mech, then someone said that would be an MTAC or something, I don't know. Anyway, i'm rambling.

I do totally agree with you though. If all AV is balanced around just killing tanks, then yeah, everything else is going to have it pretty rough.

EDIT: APC like I see.

-Sorry sorry . I must correct you there.Im not talking about killing. Im talking about taking hits and surviving. Hell, combined with dam reduction mods and speed they are harder to kill than tanks.
If MAV's had MORE HP and slightly less speed they would outlive both tanks and LLAVs as they are now....
-I know Scouts LAV's suck, i did not start playing yesterday.
-With 4 turrets an MAV will have more HP than an LLAV, more speed than a tank and a LOT of Anti-Infantry Firepower.Just saying, they would have a niche in DUST.Hell, i might even use one to transport my squad....

This!

The APC would avoid the enemy with scanners. Problem solved.

MAVs don't necessarily need to have less eHP than HAVs- they could just greatly sacrifice weaponry.

Hey look, a thread speculating about something we know literally nothing about, not even if it has zero resists or a passive 80%, or innate modules or how fast or slow or how many slots or what color it is...

And people are already argueing about how MAVs are balanced/unbalanced... Even though MAVs literally have zero info on them...

Don't see why MAV's can't essentiall be HAV''s without the turret, and a lot more speed.

Think Warhammer 40k.

All Space marine, and most other races tanks simply use a Standard Template of Construction, much like in reality a couple of APC's could look similar to the HAV, but sacrifice armour and fire power for much better speed.

Don't worry we are getting proto tanks in 1.5 ... nevermind let's say 3.0 to make sure it happens

Let's not speculate SoonTM

Well HERE is MY vision on how MAVs should be. Of course. Please take into consideration i think of this in a world where tanks ALREADY have at least a 50% TOTAL HP buff (were tanks run with 6000 HP MINIMUm....)

I was thinking something like:

Gallante MAV-BREACH APC:
900 SHields
2200 Armor (Without modules)
15% default Armor Resistance
1Med Turret (Gunner)
1Small turret (Driver)
Space, up to 4 passangers.
Good PRecision scan and range.
Speed : Faster than the fastest tank.
50-Shield regen per sec (Caldaris would have MORE)

Gallante MAV-LOGI APC
800 Shields
2300 Armor
20% Default Armor resistance
1 Med Turret (Gunner)
Enough PG / CPU for a repairer (to fulfil Logi purposes)
embedded CRU.
Speed : Faster than the fastest tank.
50-Shield regen per sec
5 passanger capacity

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Say a GOOD (as an example) Gallante MAV-Breach APC would have
Around (With passives included):

1080 SHields
4450 Armor
25 Passive Armor damage resistance
1 SMall cycled Missile launcher
1 MEd Turret
at least 1 Active Damage reductor
Scan Precision of 38 range 50 mts
Shield regen of 62.5 per sec (and this is not even a shield MAV)
Faster than any tanks, a little slower than a tanked Gallante LLAV.

A GOOD Gallante Logi APC-MAV would be :
960 Shields
4700 Armor
1 Med Turret
CRU and Remote rapair
around 30-34% Passive dam resistance
At least 27% dam reduction active module for then the Sh**storm unleashes.
Faster than any tank but slightly slower than the Breach MAV.
Also has worst turning speed due to increased ''weight''.
The Logi MAV can choose to NOT EQUIP ANY WEAPON in order to have more pace for other modules.
The CRU comes as if it was a MLT Blueprint so it must be equipped in every MAV-LAV.

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Isee MAVs being a lot faster than tanks but with a LOT less manuverability (sorry i know i wrote tht wrong) than LAVs , having to HEAVILY slow downt to take curves, there by thats their weak spot....

40% resistance and 5k shields would require 6 shots from a proto forge. 40% passive doesn't add 40% to 5k, it reduces the damage the forge does per shot. Which means the forge gunner has to shoot more.

Add some hardeners and other damage reducing modules, and you are nearly invincible with plenty of time to go run and hide. If your getting killed in 4 shots from a forge, then you are doing it wrong. Even with my proto assault forge (prof at level 2 or 3) and 2 complex damage mods, I've seen many tanks survive nearly two clips and then causally drive away to rep/recall.