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Posted - 2013.09.26 02:55:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Because all AV weapons are designed to take down tanks. A MAV would not be maneuverable enough to make a forge miss or escape swarms consistently. Proto anti tank weapons are the only AV in dust and they already solo tanks. So my gunlogi with 40% passive resist and 5k shields is destroyed by proto forge gunners in 4 shots. So a MAV would be destroyed in 2? And these things could be troop transports? thats an easy 5+ kills. all im sayin. MAVs can not survive in dust, the AV is too strong
LLAVS DO JUST FINE. |
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Posted - 2013.09.26 03:03:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Because all AV weapons are designed to take down tanks. A MAV would not be maneuverable enough to make a forge miss or escape swarms consistently. Proto anti tank weapons are the only AV in dust and they already solo tanks. So my gunlogi with 40% passive resist and 5k shields is destroyed by proto forge gunners in 4 shots. So a MAV would be destroyed in 2? And these things could be troop transports? thats an easy 5+ kills. all im sayin. MAVs can not survive in dust, the AV is too strong LLAVS DO JUST FINE. LLAVs dont kill anyone! A MAV is going to be something people want to get kills with. Like the MTAC (the walker suit). and it, along with the other MAVs, will not be able to escape anti tank weaponry because they are not maneuverable enough. BTW, look at the scout lavs. No one uses them because they suck. all they do is blow up and get no kills. just like future MAVs will
-Sorry sorry . I must correct you there.Im not talking about killing. Im talking about taking hits and surviving. Hell, combined with dam reduction mods and speed they are harder to kill than tanks.
If MAV's had MORE HP and slightly less speed they would outlive both tanks and LLAVs as they are now....
-I know Scouts LAV's suck, i did not start playing yesterday.
-With 4 turrets an MAV will have more HP than an LLAV, more speed than a tank and a LOT of Anti-Infantry Firepower.Just saying, they would have a niche in DUST.Hell, i might even use one to transport my squad.... |
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Spkr4theDead wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Because all AV weapons are designed to take down tanks. A MAV would not be maneuverable enough to make a forge miss or escape swarms consistently. Proto anti tank weapons are the only AV in dust and they already solo tanks. So my gunlogi with 40% passive resist and 5k shields is destroyed by proto forge gunners in 4 shots. So a MAV would be destroyed in 2? And these things could be troop transports? thats an easy 5+ kills. all im sayin. MAVs can not survive in dust, the AV is too strong LLAVS DO JUST FINE. LLAVs dont kill anyone! A MAV is going to be something people want to get kills with. Like the MTAC (the walker suit). and it, along with the other MAVs, will not be able to escape anti tank weaponry because they are not maneuverable enough. BTW, look at the scout lavs. No one uses them because they suck. all they do is blow up and get no kills. just like future MAVs will - Sorry sorry . I must correct you there.Im not talking about killing. Im talking about taking hits and surviving. Hell, combined with dam reduction mods and speed they are harder to kill than tanks. If MAV's had MORE HP and slightly less speed they would outlive both tanks and LLAVs as they are now.... -I know Scouts LAV's suck, i did not start playing yesterday.-With 4 turrets an MAV will have more HP than an LLAV, more speed than a tank and a LOT of Anti-Infantry Firepower.Just saying, they would have a niche in DUST.Hell, i might even use one to transport my squad.... So you're complaining that LAVs as they are, are too fast? And that it's not fair they can fit passive shield and armor hardeners?
Nope,you are putting words in my mouth as usual.trying to troll and failing,as usual. Im saying MAVs do have a role in Dust514. |
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Posted - 2013.09.26 04:15:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Nope,you are putting words in my mouth as usual.trying to troll and failing,as usual. Im saying MAVs do have a role in Dust514.
I'm not trolling at all. You're still complaining that vehicles have any advantage at all over AV.
Ok so you are saying LLAvs are SLOW? and they get 1 HKOd by PROTO AV weapory?
You are still complaining vehicles are UP and they are not.
AV is just working, vehicles dont have proto yet. |
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Posted - 2013.09.26 04:37:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:[quote=KING CHECKMATE]
Where did I mention anything about scout LAVs?
Dude, are you on medication?
The same im thinking about you man, you make no sense at all,i dont even know why you are arguing now....
Im just saying as it is, LLAvs chave a good survival rate ATM, and if MAVs have a little less speed,with some extra module slots and HP thay might achieve something thats all.... I wasnt even trolling nor anything... |
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Posted - 2013.09.26 04:42:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:I'm easy to understand, and type like someone that majored in English without using big, fancy words and some words you only knew because of the American SATs. I also usually put my arguments in a logical, easy to understand, precise manner. That you're saying that, basically tells me you've given up trying to respond to me, because you're just not able to, not because you can't understand what I'm saying.
Ohhh.. so you are not trying to make any points, just trying to make me look bad in every single post i make. Well , i dont give a **** HOW you write,you still sound ret@rded.
And im sorry, but as you MAY or MIGHT NOT KNOW, english is not the only language in the world.Sorry if i not write like : ''like someone that majored in English'' , but i dont need it to write my opinion.
..I.. ( -.- )
As always you are off topic,just pointing out my mistakes and trying to troll me, FAIL again. Get a grip... |
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Posted - 2013.09.26 04:51:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:I'm easy to understand, and type like someone that majored in English without using big, fancy words and some words you only knew because of the American SATs. I also usually put my arguments in a logical, easy to understand, precise manner. That you're saying that, basically tells me you've given up trying to respond to me, because you're just not able to, not because you can't understand what I'm saying. Ohhh.. so you are not trying to make any points, just trying to make me look bad in every single post i make. Well , i dont give a **** HOW you write,you still sound ret@rded. And im sorry, but as you MAY or MIGHT NOT KNOW, english is not the only language in the world.Sorry if i not write like : ''like someone that majored in English'' , but i dont need it to write my opinion. ..I.. ( -.- ) As always you are off topic,just pointing out my mistakes and trying to troll me, FAIL again. Get a grip... So I make you look bad by pointing out how dumb your posts are?
You try. and fail. So there by. I'll have to withdraw my attention from your posts.
Have fun hatin bro . |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:38:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Because all AV weapons are designed to take down tanks. A MAV would not be maneuverable enough to make a forge miss or escape swarms consistently. Proto anti tank weapons are the only AV in dust and they already solo tanks. So my gunlogi with 40% passive resist and 5k shields is destroyed by proto forge gunners in 4 shots. So a MAV would be destroyed in 2? And these things could be troop transports? thats an easy 5+ kills. all im sayin. MAVs can not survive in dust, the AV is too strong LLAVS DO JUST FINE. This! as i said before, LLAVs have built in resist, will be more mobile than MAVs, and do not kill anyone. MAVs will not be as mobile, will be attempting to get kills, and will not have any or as much built in resist. They are not LLAVs, they have completly different roles
WEll thn they suould have at least 15% Built in resist ... no? |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:27:00 -
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Well HERE is MY vision on how MAVs should be. Of course. Please take into consideration i think of this in a world where tanks ALREADY have at least a 50% TOTAL HP buff (were tanks run with 6000 HP MINIMUm....)
I was thinking something like:
Gallante MAV-BREACH APC:
900 SHields
2200 Armor (Without modules)
15% default Armor Resistance
1Med Turret (Gunner)
1Small turret (Driver)
Space, up to 4 passangers.
Good PRecision scan and range.
Speed : Faster than the fastest tank.
50-Shield regen per sec (Caldaris would have MORE)
Gallante MAV-LOGI APC
800 Shields
2300 Armor
20% Default Armor resistance
1 Med Turret (Gunner)
Enough PG / CPU for a repairer (to fulfil Logi purposes)
embedded CRU.
Speed : Faster than the fastest tank.
50-Shield regen per sec
5 passanger capacity
Say a GOOD (as an example) Gallante MAV-Breach APC would have
Around (With passives included):
1080 SHields
4450 Armor
25 Passive Armor damage resistance
1 SMall cycled Missile launcher
1 MEd Turret
at least 1 Active Damage reductor
Scan Precision of 38 range 50 mts
Shield regen of 62.5 per sec (and this is not even a shield MAV)
Faster than any tanks, a little slower than a tanked Gallante LLAV.
A GOOD Gallante Logi APC-MAV would be :
960 Shields
4700 Armor
1 Med Turret
CRU and Remote rapair
around 30-34% Passive dam resistance
At least 27% dam reduction active module for then the Sh**storm unleashes.
Faster than any tank but slightly slower than the Breach MAV.
Also has worst turning speed due to increased ''weight''.
The Logi MAV can choose to NOT EQUIP ANY WEAPON in order to have more pace for other modules.
The CRU comes as if it was a MLT Blueprint so it must be equipped in every MAV-LAV.
Isee MAVs being a lot faster than tanks but with a LOT less manuverability (sorry i know i wrote tht wrong) than LAVs , having to HEAVILY slow downt to take curves, there by thats their weak spot.... |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:21:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:
i have to agree mostly. very nice checkmate, but i think they would have around 35% resist after they apply the passive mods. But why are you assuming tanks would have 6k main tank minimum? minimum as in base, before mods? Antispating an HP buff for vehicals? I am too tbh
Well yes .as it is, between LAVs and HAVs the Base HP diference is minimal.
You have a Caldari HAV with 2800-3000 ish Shields and a LLAv with 1800-2000 LOL. 1k Difference?
where are you going to put MAVs? In the 2400s? Nah
say caldari LLAVs should go around 2000 shields(this without modules included) (with some extention and damage reduction they get around)
MAV's Aroudn the 3000's and HAV's around the 4000-5000's ...(plus the armor in the case of the caldari , rounded up between 5800-6200 total HP, without mods.)
IMo that is.
With this tanks could rack up to the 10000 total HP, while still having enough slots to equip other IMPORTANT stuff,like active scanners,heat sinks , NITRO, mobile CRU's more hardeners , etc...
MORE BASE HP = More slots to work with
As it is i think tanks are wasting too many slots trying to survive and cannot really fit modulesto increase turret efficiency, torque,active scanners and other cool stuff they have available..... |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:28:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:
Change the CRU to supply depot. The only vehicle that has a mobile supply depot. Also, they should get a full squad carrying capacity. Why? Because the pilot and gunner should operate the vehicle at all times. If they need to, they can just recall it. I'm assuming your Breach MAV idea was a Assault DS on the ground, so they should get a module that gives them a high resistance in the front of the MAV, so they can keep on going, you know, breach. Rest looks good.
NICE.IDEA. +1
CRU placement BONUS for BREACH MAV.(So while equipping it,except the slot , it wont take too much CPU/PG) This way the ''Breach MAV'' wont stay without an unmanned turret for long.
Nanohive Coil (supply depo renamed LOL) for the Logi.(Gives ammo and repairs ARMOR).
uuugh....sweet.. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:36:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Well, the LLV's repping ability should stay there, but a giant nanohive surrounding the MAV sounds fun 
Again ,strange, but i agree too... |
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