Apparently you don't understand the Fitting System. The core idea behind the system is that people can play how they like. And you want to reward players for using the "correct" suit?

This doesn't change fitting at all. It just makes it so you don't get optimal WP for playing a slayer logi. Think of it this way, would you rather have them nerf the stats on brick tanking logi suits, or just let assault players get better WP for doing the same thing?

Its pretty straight forward. I'm looking forward to the new WPs for a few different things. However I think the WP system could be a little mroe rewarding of intentional and tactical squad play than it already is.

The whole point of WP seems to have a few goals:

1) Somewhat comparatively distinguish quality players
2) Separate people into roles so they aren't all competing for the same WP 'pool' (killers vs. healers vs. hackers vs. AV)
3) Create system for evaluating 'merit pay'

What you could do to further refine these goals, is to assign WP bonuses to each suit type.

150WP
GÇóHAV Destruction (+35 heavy/commando)
100WP
GÇóHack (NULL Cannon) (+20 logistics)
GÇóLarge Installation Destruction (+25 heavy/commando)
75WP
GÇóDropship Destruction (+25 heavy/commando)
GÇóHeadshot (+25 scout)
50WP
GÇóKill (+20 for assaults/ +10 heavies)
GÇóHack (Installations) (+25 for logistics) (+10 for scout)
GÇó2nd Hack Assist (NULL Cannon) (+10 for logistics) (+10 for scout)
GÇóSupply Depot Destruction (+35 heavy/assault)
GÇóCRU Destruction (+40 heavy/assault)
GÇóTriage with Logistics LAV Inbuilt Repair Tool (+10 logistics)
40WP
GÇóLAV Destruction (+15 heavy/commando/assault)
35WP
GÇóGuardian (repairing someone when they get a kill) (+10 logistics)
GÇóVehicle Kill Assist (+10 assault only)
25WP
GÇóKill Assist (+10 assault/scout/heavy)
GÇó2nd Hack Assist (Installations)
GÇóTriage (Repairing someone for a certain length of time) (+5 logistics)
GÇóTeam Spawn (+10 scout)
GÇó3rd Hack Assist (NULL Cannon)
15 WP
GÇóScan kill assist (+15 scout)(+5 logistics)
12WP
GÇó3rd Hack Assist (Installations)
10WP
GÇóTeam Resupply (+5 logistics)

Squad commendations
GÇó20% bonus to defend order actions (30% bonus if squad leader is heavy/commando/logistics)
GÇó20% bonus to attack order actions (30% bonus if squad leader is scout/assault)
GÇó20% bonus to other actions

So you can see the point. You use WP to emphasize playing appropriate roles. You COULD run as an caldari logi with a brick tank, but going 25/0 as a logi will net you far less WP than going 25/0 as an assault.

Some of these would be effected after changing fittings no?

For instance, Lets say, I spawn in my squishy scout, run in fast hack a point, drop an uplink.

Then I switch out to a logi fit, drop a couple Hives, and fight the fist few that trickle in.

Then I switch to a Heavy for more defensive stopping power.

How would the uplinks and hives be treated after switching "roles"

This would also go a long way towards having people play the roles that CCP intends for suits. Which would reduce the number of nerfs for things.

I think DUST would be helped more by not having any extra benefits by running into narrow classes and builds. Players should be free to experiment without risk of losing WP (because of not obtaining some bonus).

Many suits already have fitting bonuses (such as Heat build up reduction on Amarr Assault) which gives a benefit to using certain items, but in no way punishes players for not using it.

By increasing WP gain for certain specs, you in effect punish every other suit who tries to perform a non-standard battle field role, even if they are competent at it.

Forcing narrow focus of a suit into a class defies the core concept of suit fitting, that you can adapt a suit to various combat scenarios. DUST should be working on making there be as many valid fitting possibilities as the can, so that players can do all sorts of unusual things, such as heavy snipers (I'd be more creative, but it's early), that isn't possible in other games. Don't diminish the ability for players to be creative by punishing WP gains on "non-class" actions.

..."Many suits already have fitting bonuses (such as Heat build up reduction on Amarr Assault) which gives a benefit to using certain items, but in no way punishes players for not using it. "...

This doesn't change fitting at all. It just makes it so you don't get optimal WP for playing a slayer logi. Think of it this way, would you rather have them nerf the stats on brick tanking logi suits, or just let assault players get better WP for doing the same thing?

I prefer CCP tweak the suit bonuses to make them more role specific rather than create arbitrary bonuses for certain actions in a suit.

Logi suits should get fitting cost reductions for equipment and assault suits should get bonuses to offensive capability (there are so many ways that can be done).

Then we don't have to track what suit fitting did what for rewards.

This doesn't change fitting at all. It just makes it so you don't get optimal WP for playing a slayer logi. Think of it this way, would you rather have them nerf the stats on brick tanking logi suits, or just let assault players get better WP for doing the same thing?

You make it sound like playing a slayer logi is wrong.

your stats rule out logi aver which is better than aver/assault assault suits need to stop caring about vehilces its logistics department. the role of guardian consists of logi av and tactical vehicle support( transporters scanners and such)

when i used to run ina a balanced tank av squad i would run heal as equally as av..a swarmer logi can do things that a forge gunner just cant ina balanced dust it requires both to effectively rampage. light av is supposed to naturally compliment heavy av and as heavy av is on HEAVY suits it only makes sense that light av be on LOGI'S as logi's naturally compliment heavies.

I think this is an awful Idea as a scout

looks like we would once again get the short end of the stick.

Dang dude!?! Why so pessimistic? Suggest something!! Don't JUST be critical? Have a little bit of imagination and contribute to the discussion. Where do YOU think the scout role fits in? I gave it a huge headshot buff. Who knows what other bonuses they are getting come 1.5. What if you could give bonuses for kills >100m that would be a sniper WP buff...

Do you seriously think scouts should be AS survivable as assaults/heavies/logis in brawling range, though? That's dumb if you do. I'm suggesting different roles for them. Making them get the BEST SP from uplinks and scans and assists could do a lot to boost their WP gain. I can get a LOT of WP from uplink spam. Also in 1.5 I think they are giving out WP for equipment destruction as well.

If everyone got something like +10 WP for equipment destruction and scouts got +20, that would be huge too.

IMO this is what is kind of ruining the game. When everyone wants every suit to be usable for every role. "My heavy is just too slow...my scout is just too weak...the logi has too many equipment slots...the assault should have as many slots as the logi...I can't armor tank my minmatar suit..." are all arguing for a vanilla game.

1) Somewhat comparatively distinguish quality players
2) Separate people into roles so they aren't all competing for the same WP 'pool' (killers vs. healers vs. hackers vs. AV)
3) Create system for evaluating 'merit pay'

I think it's an interesting idea.

To all who believe you're 'penalised' for not conforming to a role: you still get as much WP doing whatever the hell you do right now.

I repeat: Not penalised. No penalties apply.

Some just get bonuses.

Now the question is, do they deserve these bonuses? If we take what Mr. Hurin outlined as the goals of WP



then we can see that yes, those who play to these roles do deserve bonuses.

No one said you can't be a heavy sniper. But in the end, that heavy suit is better in the battlefield taking hits for the team. Therefore, why should the heavy not get bonuses for defending a point instead of sniping in the hills?

Far from limiting choices (I don't know how you guys got to that conclusion; the pessimism of these forums is really something), this system will simply give those who choose the 'main' roles a bonus. And over history, we've learnt that these roles became main roles BECAUSE they are most effective. So if someone is performing a job that is effective, deserves merit, requires skill and aids victory, why should they not receive a bonus?

Not to mention this is only the basic frame of the idea, and is applied only to dropsuits. What if the weapon affected the bonuses?

The current WP system encourages squads to try generate as much WP as possible, without consideration for tactics. Putting WP bonuses on certain actions, depending on the amount, can effectively make gameplay more tactical.