1-2. I'm sorry you're all hot under the collar Chase, but if you really want to keep arguing with me, you are going to have to actually read my posts at some point, lest you continue to make yourself look foolish. I am not an AVer, and I have to go back and read the whole thread but i'm pretty sure no one has called for AV buffs.

3. I didn't know they had tanks in CoD multiplayer. Is that true?

4. A very genral statement. Needs refinement to answer properly. Could be yes, could be no. Not a straightforward black and white situation.

5. That **** is annoying as hell isn't it Chase? The only thing I've got from you so far is you don't ever want to see a tank soloed by anyone or anything no matter what. That, and you keep misreading an article that was not used as a point, but a supporting argument. But keep feeding the fire, you tried to reference the article and got it wrong again, but I will get to that....

6. Lol, that's the only point I've been able to discern from your entire thread

7. Plenty of reasons were included Chase, but you have to read the whole article-

From the 1st paragraph (I've already had to repost this part Chase, you should have read this part already)- The U.S. military's Abrams tank, designed during the Cold War to withstand the fiercest blows from the best Soviet tanks, is getting knocked out at surprising rates by the low-tech bombs and rocket-propelled grenades of Iraqi insurgents.

From the 3rd paragraph- At least five soldiers have been killed inside the tanks when they hit roadside bombs

From the 9th paragraph- A favorite tactic: detonating a roadside bomb in hopes of blowing the tread off the tank. The insurgents follow with rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and gunfire aimed at the less-armored areas, especially the vulnerable rear engine compartment.

*whew* Anyway, Chase I would suggest you not be so hostile. While it may not be fun reading the posts of someone you disagree with, it is a requirement if you want to have a discussion, not a heated argument. I'm sure I have missed a few points you have tried to make, but I have done my best to read your (and everyone elses) posts and consider them. The fact that you still refer to me as "the AVer" shows you are just posting to post, and the moment you take a good verbal shot you want to switch over to some fantasy world where you are always right no matter what and other peoples opinions don't exist.

I try to be fair and open to new ideas, and if I don't agree I refrain from calling people "CoD fans", or "ignorant AVers". I'm sure I have made myself look like an @ss to plenty of people in this thread, and I do regret that. I must admit you have me pretty frustrated as well Chase.

But oh well, water under the bridge. I am happy to see people posting that at the very least understand the points i'm trying to make (Jaysyn, Monkey, thanks for restating and clarifying some of my points). I could care less if people listen to me, all I want is communal acknowledgment of valid points that need to be considered before any action is taken. Whether those points are accepted coming from my mouth or someone elses makes no difference.

And Jaysyn I just want to say thank you for your service and sacrifice. I'd love to squad with you, my weekday schedule is a little funky with school and work, but i'm usually on for a little bit around 11:00pm-2:00am ish, Eastern Standard. I'll hit you up next time i'm on (should be around tonight for a bit).

And Chase I would like to squad with you as well. You run a tank, let me run as your infantry support. I don't need to be in a turret (and prefer not to be). We could set this thread aside, run a few matches, and see what we see. Maybe it turns out a little infantry support makes all the difference for you. Maybe it turns out tanks are too weak and AV is to strong. I would imaging it would be somewhere in the middle. The best way to show off our points to each other is to squad up.

you have got to be ******* serious, or trolling.
1 person, easily destroy a TANK??? then whats the point of a TANK?
1v1 blaster, this isn't ******* COD kid, whoever shoots first, cod is that way>>>>>>>>>>>>
you mad that you can't solo a tank so you think you need to destroy a 500k tank in 1 hit? --_--

Never said destroy it seconds!
Never said make it easy!

I just said 1man should be worth more than a tank 1 man (An AV specialist) should be capable of taking down a tank by himself.
It should still require tactics an forethought on the avers side.

READ what I ACTUALLY write and you might find me a lot more reasonable than a COD lover!

if thats the case, in my opinion it should take them between 1:30 or 2 minutes for proto AV with them HUNTING you down. but then again whats my opinion count for, after all it is my thread.

If he is getting away fine, but how long should he survive in the "hotzone" without support?

Do Tankers realize that there are vehicles in the game meant to repair them and keep them alive?

Sometimes I get into a rare battle where a Team uses its collective brain and you see a LLAV behind a tank repping it.
Forge Snipe the (Shield) Tank and low and behold almost all the damage done to it is repaired before I can fire again.

Then why bring it up?

bout 30 seconds with proto AV, best tank mind you. no support. unless you run a speed fit madrugar. then its all up to the skill of the pilot "its really hard to use these fits, as av takes you out fast and if you bump something you completely stop or explode" its just not right that sometimes tankers arent even given a chance.

Chase, Dunk...

Sorry I missed you guys online last night...doing work for Corp.

That said, great game playing against you Chase. Once I saw you on the red board I had to give you some Scram and 'Nade waffles. You served a some back to me as well - good times.

Ok, that sounds fair, we may be looking at the arguement from different sides, but we want the same thing!

lol i didnt realize but yea i remember. i was running solo assault with a starter fit and basic AR. i minght have swiched weapons though becouse i got every weapon unlocked in the game. you had a damn good squad man. send me a ingame message if you wanna play together dude. i just remember i couldnt find anyone in the match and then BAM i run into a squad of redberrys lol. most kills i got that day was right after that match and i went 34/12 with my starter fit (cheap bastard i know).