Why do tankers always try to bring in real life example and ramble on about how "its a tank it dominates everything" when in real life the niche of the MBT has been on the way out since the 90s due to large strides weapons technology keep making
Even CIWS and trophy counter measure systems designed to destroy in coming rockets and missiles to defend the tank are easily overwhelmed just by firing in volume and all it takes is on javelin to turn that million dollar tank into a pile of scrap metal

Oh my favorite is when you mention these things to counter them talking about real world examples they come back with "yeah but this is a game"

Yes, if it's mods are down it is vulnerable. Also, without support it will be getting hit with impunity. A tank should be able to make a reasonable retreat before it's mods give out when only one guy is bombarding it.

The tank is not a threat when it is having to roll out and is vulnerable. The new tank changes are pretty much going to be that. Tanks will be momentarily invulnerable and only with the skills and mods then they have to roll out for a longer period of time to recoup.

A solo AVer should have to work for their kill. Tuck in at a prime point they know the tank is going to be headed while it's down.

Indeed, these guys dont know how good they have it
All that said though they should still get counter measures like a CIWS that can take down a missile from a swarm closing in on them but they absolutely should not get their health and resistance buffed up to stupid levels

Like it has been said this is a game, you will die in this game, suck it up and respawn and if what you were doing got you killed then dont do it again or at least take some counter measures *cough* stoprunningsolomorons *cough*

I'm sorry but I don't think tanks are gonna make "tankers" happy . . . . . . . . .
Not after the rework, it sounds like tanks are gonna be restricted to their engagement time!
Ammo is gonna be a big deal, it will limit them serverly, a new breed of vehicle users will rise, they always do, but tanks aren't going to be what you hope for!

Sorry!

As long as it is a change and not q complete nerf, the good tankers will remain the best, because we've stayed around long enough to learn flexibility.

Also, tanks are already ruled by a 10-60 second engagement time.

1: From how the title sounded, and how you typed this up, you're neither AV nor Pilot, so why are you even talking?

2: WP awards for hitting vehicles up to a cap would make it perfect for them. Hit us until we run, keep on doing it, so if you're awarded, you still feel good for scaring it away, rather than killing it.

3: That's the whole premise of our argument: Even though I spent hours doing math on several fits trying to find the best fit possible, and spending months trying to perfect my skill, you just want to pull out a PROTO swarm and solo me in under 5 seconds. **** that, teamwork required. An HAV, a group of AV, EWAR, or a mix of the three should be required to either take me out of kill me.

if you pull a tank, one tank is going to die. thats a fact. so why not be a man and show him which tanker is better? usually tank battles only last 1 minute. or if you so weak and pitiful, why not pull 2 tankers? it goes on like this in pc matches till someone gives or goes broke.

or even better, go anti-tank tanking. pull a rail if its a open map or missile if its closed. those battles are EPIC

the point is, no matter what, tanks are always going to be a big part in warfare. just becouse they have a tank doenst mean you cant. you can always go rail and make sure that tanker stays out of action the entire match. if i go against a tanker with really good ground support, i go rail and he blows up in about 4 shots. you need timing is all. so no matter if your team sucks, a tank can always counter a tank.

yet, not a single AV guy on here posted a good reason why they should be able to solo a tank. they just repeat over and over "i should solo a tank". and when i demand evidence from them, it takes them a hour to bring me a military link that clearly states tanks dominated AV. can anyone give me a reason? im still trying to understand. and dont say tanks are limited to only one person. you can use them too.

ok sure its been said before

TANKS role is infantry support or leading an assault. both require infantry support.

the defence of the tank comes in 3 ways - first armour/shields/rep - second suppression/firepower needless to say a fully manned tank has a far better chance of getting out of sticky situations with all the extra firepower and supressing fire it can provide.-thirdly the speed of the tank potentially allows it to get out of trouble providing it does not over commit itself.

TANKS cost a lot of isk, but they should NOT be invulnerable to all but mass AV attack. IF a tank goes where it should not i.e in built up area's it should be very vulnerable. If your getting hit by AV grenades, your too close don't complain if you die to one AV player you over committed and should not have got yourself in that situation.

Really I don't think a tank should go into a urban area unless it has a large amount of infantry support. currently this happens an awful lot and 9/10 times they get away with it when IMO it should be 50/50

Currently tanks have plenty of defence IMO, tankers need to ask themselves are they tanking right? is the tank full? do I have infantry support? are the gunners making the primary target the AV players either through suppression or killing?

If I had to make any changes to tanks/AV it would be with the AV weapons. make them more affective at close range and less affective at long range

I am sure many tankers will not agree but this is not world of tanks. bringing out the big guns should be a co-ordinated effort to make it work when used properly, in the same respect a well supported tank used correctly should be a challenge to take down.

any solo tanker asking for buffs I have no sympathy for, tanks are not god mode where every match you should get 30+ - 0. there are a fair few good tankers out there, but how many can say they use the tank in the correct role?

my 2 cents

i ride with 2 gunners in my tank. i NEVER run solo but its hard to find a logi jeep or logi dropship. usually the gunners hop out and rep me, following me till im out of battle while hit by AV. it works well until a AV guy drops from a tower behind you and rips hell on me from suprise. usually i can call out AV for them to kill unless they are on a tower or sneak up on me like i said before.

damn auto correct....

that's not what we want at all. we want the tank player to understand the ground game first, then skill into the tank. i don't care if you're in a hurry, tankers make some strange decisions in battle.

Infantry just cannot accept that the best counter to a tank should be another tank. No, it has to be infantry weapons, that are each all more powerful than a turret. That's like saying a 40mm 203 round is more powerful than the main gun of an Abrams.

so 7000 damage isnt enough? nor warpoints for damage? what the hell do you want? to be able to 1 shot the damn mcc??? it really is hard to take AV seriously when they can already 1 shot a tank if they sneak behind them, and ask for buffs..... just really? and i expect a 2 mill piece of equipment to be strong. just like a duvole AR is better than a militia AR.

when you 1 shot a 2 mill tank. you think thats not OP?

if i have everything unlocked for vehicles, i should not be 1 shotted by AV. why should a 50k peice of epuipment overpower a 2 mill tank? you arent using reason, your constantly discarding everything i represent and shoot the same thing at me over and over. is that all you can come up with? you know, you can pull out a madrugar with std missile turrets and kill armour tanks. you dont have to cower behind your crutch

As long as risk vs reward arnt balanced, then tanks need a buff.

2+ mil isk tank shouldnt lose to a 150k isk dropsuit solo.

Something that actually takes skill, massive amounts of SP and isk shouldnt lose to one guy sitting on a tower dominating everyone.

BULL ****

Iv spe'c enough to run ADV swarms and a std nanohive and I can SOLO any tank on the field.

Lets see what skill we need to spec into to use AV vs Tanks

Swarm launcher or Forgegun, no more then level 3 / 4 respectivelly to take out any vehicle on the field solo


Tank

Vehicle / LAV / HAV / (optional enforcer)
Turret / Large turret / Small turret
Vehicle upgrades / armour plates / armour hardners / armour reppers
CPU / PG skills for CPU/PG moduals / Scanners / turret upgrades

Yeah real fair

its called a smg genius. unless you wanna go stealth logi and 1 shot me then yea, 2 shot me and get a smg.

"His choice of AV nades puts him/her at a massive disadvantage to me, an Assault with real nades" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA wow, no it does not.
sacrificing 2 grenades no one needs and you probably wont kill with anyway kid, 1hk lai dais are OP, 9700 dmg for one grenade.
"a lone tank should be dominated by av" **** no, not with modules, kid, this isn't call of doody when every kill takes 0.6 seconds, tanks are not paper.....

1. i can solo my assault, but not my tank?
2. there are times where i roll with infintry(see wat i did thar)and still get destroyed by forge/swarm/1hk lai dais.
3. i went 15-0 a match infintry solo, no team mates.
4. for 10 dropsuits i pay 100k isk.
5. tanks can't profit if destroyed.

"1man > 1tank"
you must be joking, tanks should make infintry run, not tanks running from 1 guy.

I like the last statement the most
In other word it say get rdy boys we in some shhhh

not trolling I agree that an tank is an force multiplier that deserves more than one person tanking an tank down. as such like the map where an drop ship puts an AVer to where an tank can not be able to move the turrets high and even if I back out enough to get some kind of shoot off its still not good enough but an swarm can lock on to and destroy the tank.

asai saw that post i entered rage mode cuz the kid wanted to destroy tanks in split seconds.
i keep getn proto stomped

if thats the case, in my opinion it should take them between 1:30 or 2 minutes for proto AV with them HUNTING you down. but then again whats my opinion count for, after all it is my thread.

bout 30 seconds with proto AV, best tank mind you. no support. unless you run a speed fit madrugar. then its all up to the skill of the pilot "its really hard to use these fits, as av takes you out fast and if you bump something you completely stop or explode" its just not right that sometimes tankers arent even given a chance.