Can't tell you when the last time that happened to me was.... nope... a complete blank. Could be because I increased my hacking speed. I like that the objectives double as spawn points because I'm sure not everyone wants to run around with uplinks all the time. If they did then thy would just play Domination.

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`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.

You infiltrate successfully, you kill everybody, you begin to hack the point.


*ssssssszzzzroooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooom*

The guy you just killed spawns behind you, cloaked and invincible, and proceeds to take his time to aim and shoot you in the back.

Again, the person who just died is being rewarded with a free kill because of BS spawn location mechanics.

Why are we rewarding failure? If he wanted to guard his point so badly he shouldn't have died in the first place. We already have plenty of ways for people to spawn. We have uplinks, we have CRU's, hell we even have mobile CRU's. Why do we need a stupid mechanic that basically allows your opponent to shoot you in the back without doing any work whatsoever?


If I storm a point solo like Jimmy Badass, and I wipe out everybody, I should be rewarded for it. Currently I am not and this is stupid.

Whats that you say? Bring friends? No. To hell with friends. That should be optional. Situational. Not for everybody. Friends suck and in this scenario the only thing they are good for (literally) is getting shot in the face so you don't have to. If there is going to be a mechanic that supports friendship and rainbows, it shouldn't be centered around this situation. If I am capable of solo'ing the world, reward me for it properly.

Thanks.

Spawning on the null cannons isn't a great game mechanic, I agree.

Personally, I think all spawning should be dropping from the sky. Drop uplinks would simply be markers that people can drop down onto, and preset spawn points would essentially be unlimited indestructable versions of the same thing. MCC spawning is fine as it is. I suspect this change would be a bit too radical to get much support though.

Someone just got shot in the back.

You infiltrate successfully, you kill everybody, you begin to hack the point.


*ssssssszzzzroooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooom*

The guy you just killed spawns behind you, cloaked and invincible, and proceeds to take his time to aim and shoot you in the back.

Again, the person who just died is being rewarded with a free kill because of BS spawn location mechanics.

Why are we rewarding failure? If he wanted to guard his point so badly he shouldn't have died in the first place. We already have plenty of ways for people to spawn. We have uplinks, we have CRU's, hell we even have mobile CRU's. Why do we need a stupid mechanic that basically allows your opponent to shoot you in the back without doing any work whatsoever?


If I storm a point solo like Jimmy Badass, and I wipe out everybody, I should be rewarded for it. Currently I am not and this is stupid.

Whats that you say? Bring friends? No. To hell with friends. That should be optional. Situational. Not for everybody. Friends suck and in this scenario the only thing they are good for (literally) is getting shot in the face so you don't have to. If there is going to be a mechanic that supports friendship and rainbows, it shouldn't be centered around this situation. If I am capable of solo'ing the world, reward me for it properly.

Thanks.

It doesn't matter how fast your hack speed is. If you are killing more than three people at a single location, you will not be fast enough unless you killed all of them with the same attack.

Sounds more like you are ignoring the enemy entirely and just sneaking past them for a quick hack and then running away. Which is a valid strategy if your skill point distribution supports it.

But it should not be more valid than simply killing everybody and taking the point by force.

And then again, you're probably just lying anyway so you can argue for the sake of argument. People do that a lot around here.

happens all the time.
Usually when I have a complex code-breaker equipped.
Because pub-match skirmishes also have a reduced/inconsistant timer on spawns. It is not always 10 seconds. Especially when they die next to the null cannon.
1 complex code breaker brings my hack time down to 5.6 seconds. and 2nd codebreaker, which I really couldn't fit anyways, would bring it down to 4.4.

It isn't about how fast you Hack, it is how fast they spawn in, with no work of their own.
I can regularly take out 3+ guys when they're at a point trying to defend it. These new enclosed spaces making it all the more easier to kill with a shotgun. I have a passive scanner large enough to actually see where uplinks or people are, but they get to spawn in at some random point because the null cannon is there where they don't show up until after they shoot.

So broken. I suppose thought, it is better for those players that'd rather this be a twitch shooter than some tactical game

You infiltrate successfully, you kill everybody, you begin to hack the point.


*ssssssszzzzroooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooom*

The guy you just killed spawns behind you, cloaked and invincible, and proceeds to take his time to aim and shoot you in the back.

Again, the person who just died is being rewarded with a free kill because of BS spawn location mechanics.

Why are we rewarding failure? If he wanted to guard his point so badly he shouldn't have died in the first place. We already have plenty of ways for people to spawn. We have uplinks, we have CRU's, hell we even have mobile CRU's. Why do we need a stupid mechanic that basically allows your opponent to shoot you in the back without doing any work whatsoever?


If I storm a point solo like Jimmy Badass, and I wipe out everybody, I should be rewarded for it. Currently I am not and this is stupid.

Whats that you say? Bring friends? No. To hell with friends. That should be optional. Situational. Not for everybody. Friends suck and in this scenario the only thing they are good for (literally) is getting shot in the face so you don't have to. If there is going to be a mechanic that supports friendship and rainbows, it shouldn't be centered around this situation. If I am capable of solo'ing the world, reward me for it properly.

Thanks.

Whats that you say? Bring friends? No. To hell with friends. That should be optional. Situational. Not for everybody. Friends suck and in this scenario the only thing they are good for (literally) is getting shot in the face so you don't have to. If there is going to be a mechanic that supports friendship and rainbows, it shouldn't be centered around this situation. If I am capable of solo'ing the world, reward me for it properly.

Thanks.

Repeatedly.


It's bad enough the radar in this game is a complete joke. If I have to kill five people guarding a point I know for a fact there is no way I'm going to hack the point because they will continually trickle spawn in, ten feet behind me, out of thin air.

And every time I turn around and kill one, there will always be another popping up right next to him as soon as I'm finished killing the last guy.

It's a ridiculous situation.

If they are that bad just let me beat them and take the point, Christ.

Just throwing this out there when they spawn they are invisible not invincible killed a few see through merc's with my mass driver to keep the heat off the dude hacking. Or if in my stealth hack scout fit I drop RE's before hacking to ensure revenge on the guy who gets me if someone does get the drop on me while hacking.

This.
Instead of a spawn countdown, we simply have time taken to fall from the sky.
Uplinks can serve as a target beacon to be launched towards.

I would worry about how easy it would become to drop on high ground and stay there though.

And on top of this we can hear when they spawn, so it doesn't seen so unfair to me. I've loved those games where i head out to take a remote point solo and can't hack it because peeps keep spawning and i keep killing them until they get me or i hack the point.

Removing spawning from objective points would definitely change the game dynamics - didn't we do this once before in beta?

Someone just got shot in the back.

Spawning from the sky would only be humorous for a day, because everybody would make it a sport to try and kill people before they hit the ground.

I fully agree with this notion. It doesn't even make sense logically, I mean I didn't know null cannons had technology to make clones magically appear out of thin air in a few set locations. Also gameplay wise it would make sense to reward the players who take the time to first capture any nearby CRUs and sweep the area for uplinks before assaulting. If they did that the scout may even have a purpose, running around undetected not looking for enemies but uplinks and such so then when your attack squadron comes in everyone they kill is out of the picture. It would bring a much more methodical approach and more tactics/less twitch.

It wouldn't be so bad if we dropped in from say an orbital barge every 10-15 seconds via inertial dampeners, that way players cannot invisibly camp the point, nor surprise the other team since they will be heard and most likely seen.

But why? What would be so wrong about removing spawning on letters all together and relying more on transportation/CRUs/mobile CRUs/uplinks so that there could be a more tactical approach to attacking on objective like in Domination?

That would remove the attack and defense mentality of a well established game mode. If you move up on a hack point, you're gonna have to get through the 'defending' team first, after you hack the point, you'll have to deal with the counter-hack team which is basically on the 'attack' and you'll have to defend your newly stolen null cannon. Its gives both sides an equal chance to play on the offensive and defensive sides. Taking an objective is never suppose to be easy.

If you want to compare it to something else, its like playing capture the flag but you cant kill and take back your flag when it's stolen. Sounds silly doesnt it?

that sounds like MAG. i loved to duck hunt.

Ah, the memories...

That would remove the attack and defense mentality of a well established game mode. If you move up on a hack point, you're gonna have to get through the 'defending' team first, after you hack the point, you'll have to deal with the counter-hack team which is basically on the 'attack' and you'll have to defend your newly stolen null cannon. Its gives both sides an equal chance to play on the offensive and defensive sides. Taking an objective is never suppose to be easy.

If you want to compare it to something else, its like playing capture the flag but you cant kill and take back your flag when it's stolen. Sounds silly doesnt it?

So are you suggesting hacking an objective in Domination is easy?

Taking an objective is never suppose to be easy.

Capture the Flag does that in order to ensure you remain balanced on both offense and defense. For Skirmish on the other hand? Your defense should be making sure you have places to spawn if a base goes under attack, not getting killed and then given a free place to spawn before the hack is started.

Sounds like youre not a people person.

There are suits (Mini logi) modules (codebreakers) and a hacking skill for just this purpose.

They work really well, so skill up.

There is no need to make changes to the game like people are proposing when the solution is already built into the game.

Make a hacking suit fit. Bring a friend or two if you can't (helpful even if you can).

3-4s to complete a hack and you can counter hack an objective faster than most people can hack it in the first place.

Why do you say things as if its the answer to the situation when it isn't?

It doesn't matter how fast you hack. If you have to give up a slot for hacking, you will be worse in combat. Combat is supposed to be just as viable for getting a job done as stealth.

If I kill everyone at an objective and there are no uplinks, I should be able to take that objective uncontested. Period.

Same concept really, for capture the flag, you need to capture the objective and hold it until its safely in your hands. For Skirmish, its 3-4 capture the objectives that you have to steal and defend/hold until its yours. Being true to the word, "skirmish" is a small localised battle and being able to spawn on the objective ensures that taking an objective isnt easy. If I snuck into an objective and stole it before anyone noticed and spawned on it, isnt that what you're going for? You're essentially asking for zero resistance if the enemy team wasnt actively protecting the objective. Spawning on the objective or spawning on a nearby uplink/CRU isnt much different except you're giving uplinks a better purpose.

Combat should not be just as effective as stealth!! This is not your run of the mill fps, it requires teamwork or at least a bit of forethought! This game is not designed as a one man army kinda a game! If you want to storm an entrenched point it will take you more than 1 man to do so!

Someone just got shot in the back.

The difference is in capture the flag the enemy cannot spawn on a dropped flag. You don't have to worry about an endless stream of enemies appearing out of no where at the dropped flag. At the flag's original location? Yeah, it's fair there because you can grab the flag instantly and get the hell out of there.

And skirmish will still be a small localized battle without objective spawning. When I spawn in, I don't have to travel over a kilometer to reach the nearest point.

And yes, if one team leaves a base unprotected and the other capitalizes on it, the first team should lose the base. They didn't plan well enough. It means tactics and coordination will actually matters as opposed to the defender zerg rush we have now.

And yes, spawning on an objective is different from spawning on an uplink or CRU. The uplink can be easily destroyed and the CRU doesn't actively tell everyone which CRU I am hacking.



If an objective is actively held by a fair number of people who have entrenched themselves (uplinks, nanos, etc.), then yes, it should take multiple people. The problem is when an objective is guarded by 1 or 2 people, you remove all uplinks, hack any CRUs, and get the drop on both of them. Now you are stuck on an infinite loop of those 1 or 2 people respawning continuously because you have no way to prevent it in time.


And to whoever said it takes 10 secs to spawn, that is quite often not the case. Often it will be only 3 secs.

I agree with the OP. I guess the reason it is like this is to give the defender the ability to regroup after the initial assault, which tends to make the battle more intense. But this could be achieved equally well by placing a CRU a stone's throw away from every hack point in skirmish.

Where there is already a CRU near the hack point (e.g. outside B on both communications outpost and biomass) they could introduce a second CRU on the other side of the hackpoint, so you'd still have those epic close quarters battles that flare up where one side holds the point, and the other holds the CRU.

Someone needs to work on their hacking skills...

Honestly, to the OP this has never happened to me and I have never been able to spawn back in fast enough to kill a hacker... 10 seconds + server and client gets in the way...

Pointless post for a problem that only the OP has...

On a hunch I looked up your KDR.


0.75.... very impressive.

Let's explain why this isn't a situation that effects you.


You have to be able to kill your enemy before they can respawn and kill you back. Instead, you are simply dying the majority of the time. When you are no longer dying before actually getting anywhere near the point, you may experience some of these metagame difficulties of actually capping it.

Worthless response from a worthless player.

But thanks for playing anyway.

Dude he plays a Logi role like it was supposed to be played, he isn't a douchy prick like you who went through all of the FoTM's just to jack up and jack off to his KDR.

Dude he plays a Logi role like it was supposed to be played, he isn't a douchy prick like you who went through all of the FoTM's just to jack up and jack off to his KDR.

I find myself agreeing with an Amarr --- What is New Eden coming to???

Keeping your allies alive is no excuse for getting yourself killed.

And if he was purely playing nurse maid in a first person shooter, he would be nowhere near the enemy point anyway, thus rendering his opinion worthless from the start.

And for the record, I've played an HMG heavy since closed beta. Hardly FOTM.

Keeping your allies alive is no excuse for getting yourself killed.

And if he was purely playing nurse maid in a first person shooter, he would be nowhere near the enemy point anyway, thus rendering his opinion worthless from the start.

And for the record, I've played an HMG heavy since closed beta. Hardly FOTM.

If i can kill five by myself, but a logi must trade his life for another, then it stands to reason hes pretty worthless. Carry your weight or dont play. We dont win matches by serving tea to the wounded soldiers. dps from gun > healing from rep tool. Especially with aimbot. k thx bai.

If i can kill five by myself, but a logi must trade his life for another, then it stands to reason hes pretty worthless. Carry your weight or dont play. We dont win matches by serving tea to the wounded soldiers. dps from gun > healing from rep tool. Especially with aimbot. k thx bai.

Whats that you say? Bring friends? No. To hell with friends. That should be optional. Situational. Not for everybody.

Not sure if you realized, but Dust is a tactical, squad-based shooter. Friends aren't optional. If you're running around solo, you're doing it wrong.

I'd just like to say that even though Dust is more geared toward squad-based tactics, there are times a solo op is needed.

Such as when the rest of the team keeps the enemy occupied at one or two points allowing a person to sneak to the other objectives. This tactic can serve either one of two purposes: A) enemy doesn't realize an objective is being taken and your team gets an objective B) enemy does realize an objective is being taken and a group rushes of to stop it thus reducing the number of enemies your team has to fight at the main confrontation area.

Rashly saying that solo work shouldn't work because this game is based on tactics is in fact limiting the number of tactics that can be employed.

I'm not saying you should win solely by lone wolfing it, but a single person taking over a lightly guarded objective before reinforcements arrive should definitely be quite feasible whereas right now it is very difficult to accomplish.

We offered solutions by him uping hacking skills but that wasn't good enough, if 1 person is gonna assault a point he needs more than just killing the 1 guy who happens to be spawning to do the same thing!

But read the post, see his entitlement, the guy wants everythimg because he killed more than a logi, who spent the match logiing!

Yes, I've seen the OP pulling the KDR card and vehemently disagree with the OPs belief that KDR = player value.

However, I also feel that objective spawning is not something dust should have. Even with hacking to 5 (I currently have 3, btw), that does not mean you will always have enough time to hack the objective since you have to kill the defender(s), run to the objective, begin hacking, and hope that you got there fast enough and they don't get a reduced spawn time.

This means the defenders are not defeating you through well played tactics. They are defeating you through a nearly guaranteed 2nd, 3rd, etc chance to get revenge.

If to remove objective spawning that means adding more CRUs around objectives, then so be it. Those I can handle ahead of time. Objective spawning I cannot.

I hear if you guys end every sentence with an exclamation mark it makes you seem less like a 13 year old. In fact, the more you add the older you seem.

And your fixation with some imaginary number in a video game, aka KDR, makes you seem like some 13yr old CoD kid who spends his time telling far better people how L33t he is.... all those 360 no scope pro MGL backflipping asshats suit you well enough Himiko.

I'd rather have a logi at my back any day than your KDR grubbing ass.

kdr threatens you, eh? Youre smart to pick the logi. People who cant accomplish anything need them, and I would leave your ass on the ground where you belong.