Someone just got shot in the back.

Spawning from the sky would only be humorous for a day, because everybody would make it a sport to try and kill people before they hit the ground.

I fully agree with this notion. It doesn't even make sense logically, I mean I didn't know null cannons had technology to make clones magically appear out of thin air in a few set locations. Also gameplay wise it would make sense to reward the players who take the time to first capture any nearby CRUs and sweep the area for uplinks before assaulting. If they did that the scout may even have a purpose, running around undetected not looking for enemies but uplinks and such so then when your attack squadron comes in everyone they kill is out of the picture. It would bring a much more methodical approach and more tactics/less twitch.

It wouldn't be so bad if we dropped in from say an orbital barge every 10-15 seconds via inertial dampeners, that way players cannot invisibly camp the point, nor surprise the other team since they will be heard and most likely seen.

But why? What would be so wrong about removing spawning on letters all together and relying more on transportation/CRUs/mobile CRUs/uplinks so that there could be a more tactical approach to attacking on objective like in Domination?

That would remove the attack and defense mentality of a well established game mode. If you move up on a hack point, you're gonna have to get through the 'defending' team first, after you hack the point, you'll have to deal with the counter-hack team which is basically on the 'attack' and you'll have to defend your newly stolen null cannon. Its gives both sides an equal chance to play on the offensive and defensive sides. Taking an objective is never suppose to be easy.

If you want to compare it to something else, its like playing capture the flag but you cant kill and take back your flag when it's stolen. Sounds silly doesnt it?

that sounds like MAG. i loved to duck hunt.

Ah, the memories...

That would remove the attack and defense mentality of a well established game mode. If you move up on a hack point, you're gonna have to get through the 'defending' team first, after you hack the point, you'll have to deal with the counter-hack team which is basically on the 'attack' and you'll have to defend your newly stolen null cannon. Its gives both sides an equal chance to play on the offensive and defensive sides. Taking an objective is never suppose to be easy.

If you want to compare it to something else, its like playing capture the flag but you cant kill and take back your flag when it's stolen. Sounds silly doesnt it?

So are you suggesting hacking an objective in Domination is easy?

Taking an objective is never suppose to be easy.

Capture the Flag does that in order to ensure you remain balanced on both offense and defense. For Skirmish on the other hand? Your defense should be making sure you have places to spawn if a base goes under attack, not getting killed and then given a free place to spawn before the hack is started.

Sounds like youre not a people person.

There are suits (Mini logi) modules (codebreakers) and a hacking skill for just this purpose.

They work really well, so skill up.

There is no need to make changes to the game like people are proposing when the solution is already built into the game.

Make a hacking suit fit. Bring a friend or two if you can't (helpful even if you can).

3-4s to complete a hack and you can counter hack an objective faster than most people can hack it in the first place.

Why do you say things as if its the answer to the situation when it isn't?

It doesn't matter how fast you hack. If you have to give up a slot for hacking, you will be worse in combat. Combat is supposed to be just as viable for getting a job done as stealth.

If I kill everyone at an objective and there are no uplinks, I should be able to take that objective uncontested. Period.

Same concept really, for capture the flag, you need to capture the objective and hold it until its safely in your hands. For Skirmish, its 3-4 capture the objectives that you have to steal and defend/hold until its yours. Being true to the word, "skirmish" is a small localised battle and being able to spawn on the objective ensures that taking an objective isnt easy. If I snuck into an objective and stole it before anyone noticed and spawned on it, isnt that what you're going for? You're essentially asking for zero resistance if the enemy team wasnt actively protecting the objective. Spawning on the objective or spawning on a nearby uplink/CRU isnt much different except you're giving uplinks a better purpose.

Combat should not be just as effective as stealth!! This is not your run of the mill fps, it requires teamwork or at least a bit of forethought! This game is not designed as a one man army kinda a game! If you want to storm an entrenched point it will take you more than 1 man to do so!

Someone just got shot in the back.

The difference is in capture the flag the enemy cannot spawn on a dropped flag. You don't have to worry about an endless stream of enemies appearing out of no where at the dropped flag. At the flag's original location? Yeah, it's fair there because you can grab the flag instantly and get the hell out of there.

And skirmish will still be a small localized battle without objective spawning. When I spawn in, I don't have to travel over a kilometer to reach the nearest point.

And yes, if one team leaves a base unprotected and the other capitalizes on it, the first team should lose the base. They didn't plan well enough. It means tactics and coordination will actually matters as opposed to the defender zerg rush we have now.

And yes, spawning on an objective is different from spawning on an uplink or CRU. The uplink can be easily destroyed and the CRU doesn't actively tell everyone which CRU I am hacking.



If an objective is actively held by a fair number of people who have entrenched themselves (uplinks, nanos, etc.), then yes, it should take multiple people. The problem is when an objective is guarded by 1 or 2 people, you remove all uplinks, hack any CRUs, and get the drop on both of them. Now you are stuck on an infinite loop of those 1 or 2 people respawning continuously because you have no way to prevent it in time.


And to whoever said it takes 10 secs to spawn, that is quite often not the case. Often it will be only 3 secs.

I agree with the OP. I guess the reason it is like this is to give the defender the ability to regroup after the initial assault, which tends to make the battle more intense. But this could be achieved equally well by placing a CRU a stone's throw away from every hack point in skirmish.

Where there is already a CRU near the hack point (e.g. outside B on both communications outpost and biomass) they could introduce a second CRU on the other side of the hackpoint, so you'd still have those epic close quarters battles that flare up where one side holds the point, and the other holds the CRU.

Someone needs to work on their hacking skills...

Honestly, to the OP this has never happened to me and I have never been able to spawn back in fast enough to kill a hacker... 10 seconds + server and client gets in the way...

Pointless post for a problem that only the OP has...

On a hunch I looked up your KDR.


0.75.... very impressive.

Let's explain why this isn't a situation that effects you.


You have to be able to kill your enemy before they can respawn and kill you back. Instead, you are simply dying the majority of the time. When you are no longer dying before actually getting anywhere near the point, you may experience some of these metagame difficulties of actually capping it.

Worthless response from a worthless player.

But thanks for playing anyway.