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straya fox
CybinSect
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Posted - 2013.09.22 08:55:00 -
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Just saying mabe u guys are just paying for your KDR.. |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1484
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Posted - 2013.09.22 09:29:00 -
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don't care about K/D, I cant buy my fittings with K/D... iv tried... they only thing that is acceptable as income in the game is ISK so give me more of that. |
straya fox
CybinSect
29
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Posted - 2013.09.22 09:37:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:don't care about K/D, I cant buy my fittings with K/D... iv tried... they only thing that is acceptable as income in the game is ISK so give me more of that.
Fair enough, but 5 proto assault deaths is equivalent to 1 decent tank death, in terms of isk, but tankers such as yourself surely do not lose much per match for your 30-40 kills. |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
209
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Posted - 2013.09.22 09:39:00 -
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straya fox wrote:Void Echo wrote:don't care about K/D, I cant buy my fittings with K/D... iv tried... they only thing that is acceptable as income in the game is ISK so give me more of that. Fair enough, but 5 proto assault deaths is equivalent to 1 decent tank death, in terms of isk, but tankers such as yourself surely do not lose much per match for your 30-40 kills. Only good tankers go 30-40 kills, just like anyone else. Tanks are hard to use, and really hard to make money with. |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1484
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Posted - 2013.09.22 09:41:00 -
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straya fox wrote:Void Echo wrote:don't care about K/D, I cant buy my fittings with K/D... iv tried... they only thing that is acceptable as income in the game is ISK so give me more of that. Fair enough, but 5 proto assault deaths is equivalent to 1 decent tank death, in terms of isk, but tankers such as yourself surely do not lose much per match for your 30-40 kills.
the way we play is that when tanks aren't needed, we go as infantry until we can afford to get more tanks..
I don't lose much, maybe one every 5-10 rounds.. |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
224
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Posted - 2013.09.22 09:42:00 -
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Your assumption is flawed in so many ways ... - proto assaults can use miltia gear and still greatly benefit from their SP, tankers can't - one cheap tank costs the ISK of 3 matches (skirmish), one expensive tank around 6 matches (skirmish), don't talk about enforcer where the hull alone is 6 matches ... - people tend to go berserk against tanks, yesterday EoN scrubs wasted orbitals to kill me and other scrubs suicided into our redline to get me - won't happen vs dropsuits |
straya fox
CybinSect
29
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Posted - 2013.09.22 09:52:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:straya fox wrote:Void Echo wrote:don't care about K/D, I cant buy my fittings with K/D... iv tried... they only thing that is acceptable as income in the game is ISK so give me more of that. Fair enough, but 5 proto assault deaths is equivalent to 1 decent tank death, in terms of isk, but tankers such as yourself surely do not lose much per match for your 30-40 kills. the way we play is that when tanks aren't needed, we go as infantry until we can afford to get more tanks.. I don't lose much, maybe one every 5-10 rounds..
I understand that you'r one of the better tankers void, but within those 5-10 matches where you lose only 1 tank you rack up a huge amount of kills without loss. What I'm trying to say in response to the many 'turrets and hulls cost to much threads' ,is mabe you guys are paying for that KDR. |
straya fox
CybinSect
29
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Posted - 2013.09.22 09:57:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Your assumption is flawed in so many ways ... - proto assaults can use miltia gear and still greatly benefit from their SP, tankers can't - one cheap tank costs the ISK of 3 matches (skirmish), one expensive tank around 6 matches (skirmish), don't talk about enforcer where the hull alone is 6 matches ... - people tend to go berserk against tanks, yesterday EoN scrubs wasted orbitals to kill me and other scrubs suicided into our redline to get me - won't happen vs dropsuits
Same for tankers man, anyone can run in militia gear, does not tank related SP improve on a militia tank? |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn Neo Terra Empire
306
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Posted - 2013.09.22 10:12:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:straya fox wrote:Void Echo wrote:don't care about K/D, I cant buy my fittings with K/D... iv tried... they only thing that is acceptable as income in the game is ISK so give me more of that. Fair enough, but 5 proto assault deaths is equivalent to 1 decent tank death, in terms of isk, but tankers such as yourself surely do not lose much per match for your 30-40 kills. the way we play is that when tanks aren't needed, we go as infantry until we can afford to get more tanks.. I don't lose much, maybe one every 5-10 rounds..
so while alot of mercs go negative isk or break even you are in fact in your 5-10 matches probably making isk or at the very least getting great KDR. and you say tanks need buffs |
CRISIS BATTLESUIT
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.09.22 10:16:00 -
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It really comes down to how good of a tanker you are; if your good you will make isk on the other hand if your bad your one broke mercenary. |
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Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
96
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Posted - 2013.09.22 10:17:00 -
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Oh man the AR maffia are at it again?
If It's not the MD users ( or any other gun ) , it's the logies doing there job getting WP, now it's the tankers and the KDR? !
What's next? maybe we need to nerf the dropships sence they can put ppl where the AR maffia can t go them self!
Let's just remove everything but the caldari ASSULT and the AR from the game.
Hail ZERG |
straya fox
CybinSect
33
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Posted - 2013.09.22 10:20:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Oh man the AR maffia are at it again?
If It's not the MD users ( or any other gun ) , it's the logies doing there job getting WP, now it's the tankers and the KDR? !
What's next? maybe we need to nerf the dropships sence they can put ppl where the AR maffia can t go them self!
Let's just remove everything but the caldari ASSULT and the AR from the game.
Hail ZERG
Chill man, i'm not saying nerf anything just the high expense of tanks is directly related to the high KDR that it entails... |
Csikszent Mihalyi
DUST University Ivy League
214
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Posted - 2013.09.22 10:22:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:don't care about K/D, I cant buy my fittings with K/D... iv tried... they only thing that is acceptable as income in the game is ISK so give me more of that.
Would it make tankers happy if there'd be a paper thin but cheap tank which doesn't cost more than a dropsuit but isn't any more effective either?
The difficulty seems to be that it's very hard to balance tank survivability on skill, since they make such juicy giant targets. |
straya fox
CybinSect
33
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Posted - 2013.09.22 10:41:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:Void Echo wrote:don't care about K/D, I cant buy my fittings with K/D... iv tried... they only thing that is acceptable as income in the game is ISK so give me more of that. Would it make tankers happy if there'd be a paper thin but cheap tank which doesn't cost more than a dropsuit but isn't any more effective either? The difficulty seems to be that it's very hard to balance tank survivability on skill, since they make such juicy giant targets.
The only reason, in my opinion, that anyone would take the risk of deploying an AV fit to take out a tank is the absolute destruction that said tank can do to the team. When i say 'risk' is in relation to the bad things that the opposition infantry will do to you while in an AV fit. |
Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
96
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Posted - 2013.09.22 10:51:00 -
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straya fox wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Oh man the AR maffia are at it again?
If It's not the MD users ( or any other gun ) , it's the logies doing there job getting WP, now it's the tankers and the KDR? !
What's next? maybe we need to nerf the dropships sence they can put ppl where the AR maffia can t go them self!
Let's just remove everything but the caldari ASSULT and the AR from the game.
Hail ZERG Chill man, i'm not saying nerf anything just the high expense of tanks is directly related to the high KDR that it entails...
To increase cost for Tanks is a nerf if anything so you are must certainly barking up the nerf three bro.
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straya fox
CybinSect
33
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Posted - 2013.09.22 10:58:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:straya fox wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Oh man the AR maffia are at it again?
If It's not the MD users ( or any other gun ) , it's the logies doing there job getting WP, now it's the tankers and the KDR? !
What's next? maybe we need to nerf the dropships sence they can put ppl where the AR maffia can t go them self!
Let's just remove everything but the caldari ASSULT and the AR from the game.
Hail ZERG Chill man, i'm not saying nerf anything just the high expense of tanks is directly related to the high KDR that it entails... To increase cost for Tanks is a nerf if anything so you are must certainly barking up the nerf three bro.
I'm not saying increase cost, they are already very expensive. I am trying to say ( which i thought was quite clear ) is the high cost of tanks is in direct relation to the high KDR that tankers achieve. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1012
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Posted - 2013.09.22 11:02:00 -
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straya fox wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:straya fox wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Oh man the AR maffia are at it again?
If It's not the MD users ( or any other gun ) , it's the logies doing there job getting WP, now it's the tankers and the KDR? !
What's next? maybe we need to nerf the dropships sence they can put ppl where the AR maffia can t go them self!
Let's just remove everything but the caldari ASSULT and the AR from the game.
Hail ZERG Chill man, i'm not saying nerf anything just the high expense of tanks is directly related to the high KDR that it entails... To increase cost for Tanks is a nerf if anything so you are must certainly barking up the nerf three bro. I'm not saying increase cost, they are already very expensive. I am trying to say ( which i thought was quite clear ) is the high cost of tanks is in direct relation to the high KDR that tankers achieve.
Look at the leader boards and its not hav pilots with all the insain kdrs it snipers and proto stomping assaults yes tankers get lotsof kills when were tanking but to fund our efforts we run free ssuits and die allot thusly decreasing our kdr . Most serious tankers dont care about our kdr record wr acctually just want to have fun . |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1484
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Posted - 2013.09.22 11:04:00 -
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straya fox wrote: I understand that you'r one of the better tankers void, but within those 5-10 matches where you lose only 1 tank you rack up a huge amount of kills without loss. What I'm trying to say in response to the many 'turrets and hulls cost to much threads' ,is mabe you guys are paying for that KDR.
ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: so while alot of mercs go negative isk or break even you are in fact in your 5-10 matches probably making isk or at the very least getting great KDR. and you say tanks need buffs
lol I go an assault infantry 90% of the time now, I know when and where to use tanks and when & where to go as infantry.
its something all tankers learn as a basic rule.
normally I get higher kd as an assaulter than I do as a tanker but again, I only care about the isk and excitement I get from lighting up the enemy team.
plus, tanking is a very exceptional skill and many of us take great pride in tanking.
the reason I say tanks need buffs is because the noobie tankers get discouraged from tanking because of how weak it is, without new tankers, the class will die with me and the other tank vets that are still here. |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1484
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Posted - 2013.09.22 11:07:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:Void Echo wrote:don't care about K/D, I cant buy my fittings with K/D... iv tried... they only thing that is acceptable as income in the game is ISK so give me more of that. Would it make tankers happy if there'd be a paper thin but cheap tank which doesn't cost more than a dropsuit but isn't any more effective either?
isn't that a heavy dropsuit? |
straya fox
CybinSect
33
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Posted - 2013.09.22 11:08:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:straya fox wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:straya fox wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Oh man the AR maffia are at it again?
If It's not the MD users ( or any other gun ) , it's the logies doing there job getting WP, now it's the tankers and the KDR? !
What's next? maybe we need to nerf the dropships sence they can put ppl where the AR maffia can t go them self!
Let's just remove everything but the caldari ASSULT and the AR from the game.
Hail ZERG Chill man, i'm not saying nerf anything just the high expense of tanks is directly related to the high KDR that it entails... To increase cost for Tanks is a nerf if anything so you are must certainly barking up the nerf three bro. I'm not saying increase cost, they are already very expensive. I am trying to say ( which i thought was quite clear ) is the high cost of tanks is in direct relation to the high KDR that tankers achieve. Look at the leader boards and its not hav pilots with all the insain kdrs it snipers and proto stomping assaults yes tankers get lotsof kills when were tanking but to fund our efforts we run free ssuits and die allot thusly decreasing our kdr . Most serious tankers dont care about our kdr record wr acctually just want to have fun .
I hear you man, and snipers have been nerfed due to map design, but when you are in a tank your KDR goes up, its only when ( as you stated ) you run free suits (bop or militia or whatever) that your KDR goes down. |
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
224
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Posted - 2013.09.22 11:09:00 -
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straya fox wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Your assumption is flawed in so many ways ... - proto assaults can use miltia gear and still greatly benefit from their SP, tankers can't - one cheap tank costs the ISK of 3 matches (skirmish), one expensive tank around 6 matches (skirmish), don't talk about enforcer where the hull alone is 6 matches ... - people tend to go berserk against tanks, yesterday EoN scrubs wasted orbitals to kill me and other scrubs suicided into our redline to get me - won't happen vs dropsuits Same for tankers man, anyone can run in militia gear, does not tank related SP improve on a militia tank?
Redline Railgun Soma is possible, want that? |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1012
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Posted - 2013.09.22 11:10:00 -
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Void weve veen throug several nerfs as tankers and still we held out and carried on holding the flag. Yes our tanks need a buff and with tankers like you anf I arroun who are happy to help the new tankers then tanking in dust will never die out . It will just remain as difficult and possibly vecome more elietist than it is just now. (That is not a good thin) but on the other hand if they make it too easy then tanks will be spammed lime the llavs were and a nerf would shortly follow. Its a good thing tanking isnt easy but its a bad tging if its too hard. |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1484
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Posted - 2013.09.22 11:15:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Void weve veen throug several nerfs as tankers and still we held out and carried on holding the flag. Yes our tanks need a buff and with tankers like you anf I arroun who are happy to help the new tankers then tanking in dust will never die out . It will just remain as difficult and possibly vecome more elietist than it is just now. (That is not a good thin) but on the other hand if they make it too easy then tanks will be spammed lime the llavs were and a nerf would shortly follow. Its a good thing tanking isnt easy but its a bad tging if its too hard.
correct, just like the goldielocks story, it has to be just right, a good amount of difficulty to make people want to overcome it but not difficult to where nobody but us can handle it.. and it has to be easy but not so easy that any random scrub in their 1st match can go 90/2 in it, then tanking will become even more of a joke than it is now with the non-existent balance. |
straya fox
CybinSect
33
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Posted - 2013.09.22 11:17:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:straya fox wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Your assumption is flawed in so many ways ... - proto assaults can use miltia gear and still greatly benefit from their SP, tankers can't - one cheap tank costs the ISK of 3 matches (skirmish), one expensive tank around 6 matches (skirmish), don't talk about enforcer where the hull alone is 6 matches ... - people tend to go berserk against tanks, yesterday EoN scrubs wasted orbitals to kill me and other scrubs suicided into our redline to get me - won't happen vs dropsuits Same for tankers man, anyone can run in militia gear, does not tank related SP improve on a militia tank? Redline Railgun Soma is possible, want that?
I'm not sure that the new maps would make that viable, but would you enjoy that sort of game play? i don't think you would. I just think that the high cost of tanks restricts the spamming of them on the battlefield. when they are deployed they are destructive and game changing as they should be, but you simply cannot keep deploying them due to the ISK required, regardless of the amount of kills you might get. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
672
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Posted - 2013.09.22 11:19:00 -
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You can go 30/1 in every match, but that 1 is the problem, to be a tanker you have not to die for at least 4/5 match in order to make profit. The real problem is not KDR but Isk. |
straya fox
CybinSect
33
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Posted - 2013.09.22 11:21:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:You can go 30/1 in every match, but that 1 is the problem, to be a tanker you have not to die for at least 4/5 match in order to make profit. The real problem is not KDR but Isk.
That is the whole point of this thread Shaman, tankers pay ISK for KDR. |
Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
97
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Posted - 2013.09.22 11:23:00 -
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straya fox wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:straya fox wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Oh man the AR maffia are at it again?
If It's not the MD users ( or any other gun ) , it's the logies doing there job getting WP, now it's the tankers and the KDR? !
What's next? maybe we need to nerf the dropships sence they can put ppl where the AR maffia can t go them self!
Let's just remove everything but the caldari ASSULT and the AR from the game.
Hail ZERG Chill man, i'm not saying nerf anything just the high expense of tanks is directly related to the high KDR that it entails... To increase cost for Tanks is a nerf if anything so you are must certainly barking up the nerf three bro. I'm not saying increase cost, they are already very expensive. I am trying to say ( which i thought was quite clear ) is the high cost of tanks is in direct relation to the high KDR that tankers achieve.
Maybe I did read your replies to other folks the wrong way. I did sure read it as just that. But you are now saying you don't want tanks to be more expensive than they already are, then I apologise and are happy that we both c it the same way.
Regards |
straya fox
CybinSect
33
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Posted - 2013.09.22 11:28:00 -
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Piraten Hovnoret wrote:straya fox wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:straya fox wrote:Piraten Hovnoret wrote:Oh man the AR maffia are at it again?
If It's not the MD users ( or any other gun ) , it's the logies doing there job getting WP, now it's the tankers and the KDR? !
What's next? maybe we need to nerf the dropships sence they can put ppl where the AR maffia can t go them self!
Let's just remove everything but the caldari ASSULT and the AR from the game.
Hail ZERG Chill man, i'm not saying nerf anything just the high expense of tanks is directly related to the high KDR that it entails... To increase cost for Tanks is a nerf if anything so you are must certainly barking up the nerf three bro. I'm not saying increase cost, they are already very expensive. I am trying to say ( which i thought was quite clear ) is the high cost of tanks is in direct relation to the high KDR that tankers achieve. Maybe I did read your replies to other folks the wrong way. I did sure read it as just that. But you are now saying you don't want tanks to be more expensive than they already are, then I apologise and are happy that we both c it the same way. Regards
Haha, not "now saying" , i thought i was being consistent from the start, tanks are expensive. The expense justify's the KDR, i.e. the name of the thread " high ISK cost for tanks = high KDR. " |
Keri Starlight
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
345
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Posted - 2013.09.22 11:47:00 -
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I don't want to offend you, but people like you, assuming that the only reason to tank is to boost KDR, are the main reason why the vehicle-infantry relationship in this game sucks that hard.
Anyway, if it were so easy to raise (this horrible thing which is) KDR, anyone in this game would be a tanker. Instead, tankers are maybe the 2% (just guessing) of the playerbase.
And if you wonder why... you can always call a tank and try to harvest kills. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2214
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Posted - 2013.09.22 11:54:00 -
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straya fox wrote:Just saying mabe u guys are just paying for your KDR.. You know that isn't true or I would be doing better in the games I play with you and Strong. |
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