don't care about K/D, I cant buy my fittings with K/D... iv tried... they only thing that is acceptable as income in the game is ISK so give me more of that.

the way we play is that when tanks aren't needed, we go as infantry until we can afford to get more tanks..

I don't lose much, maybe one every 5-10 rounds..

Your assumption is flawed in so many ways ...
- proto assaults can use miltia gear and still greatly benefit from their SP, tankers can't
- one cheap tank costs the ISK of 3 matches (skirmish), one expensive tank around 6 matches (skirmish), don't talk about enforcer where the hull alone is 6 matches ...
- people tend to go berserk against tanks, yesterday EoN scrubs wasted orbitals to kill me and other scrubs suicided into our redline to get me - won't happen vs dropsuits

Oh man the AR maffia are at it again?

If It's not the MD users ( or any other gun ) , it's the logies doing there job getting WP, now it's the tankers and the KDR? !

What's next? maybe we need to nerf the dropships sence they can put ppl where the AR maffia can t go them self!


Let's just remove everything but the caldari ASSULT and the AR from the game.

Hail ZERG

Would it make tankers happy if there'd be a paper thin but cheap tank which doesn't cost more than a dropsuit but isn't any more effective either?

The difficulty seems to be that it's very hard to balance tank survivability on skill, since they make such juicy giant targets.

To increase cost for Tanks is a nerf if anything so you are must certainly barking up the nerf three bro.

Look at the leader boards and its not hav pilots with all the insain kdrs it snipers and proto stomping assaults yes tankers get lotsof kills when were tanking but to fund our efforts we run free ssuits and die allot thusly decreasing our kdr . Most serious tankers dont care about our kdr record wr acctually just want to have fun .

Redline Railgun Soma is possible, want that?

You can go 30/1 in every match, but that 1 is the problem, to be a tanker you have not to die for at least 4/5 match in order to make profit.
The real problem is not KDR but Isk.

Maybe I did read your replies to other folks the wrong way. I did sure read it as just that.
But you are now saying you don't want tanks to be more expensive than they already are, then I apologise and are happy that we both c it the same way.

Regards

You know that isn't true or I would be doing better in the games I play with you and Strong.

You know that isn't true or I would be doing better in the games I play with you and Strong.

the whole ISK=kills thing really doesnt work, i can get as many, usually more kills in a match running my standard suit as i can in my 1.4mil isk 8mil sp tank

I have hylighted your problem right there. Yes I know and understand why you havent specked into the fotm maddys . Yes I agree with why you havent . But you will looses allot of tanks if you run malitia tanks.

I don't pay Isk for KDR (i'm shaman), i pay isk because i like to play with a vehicle (this alt, has sp invested only in vehicles, so i have no choice), KDR is a consequence of a tanker who tries to not go passive with ISK.
I would really like to play as logi vehicle (i'm a logi with my infantry main), the problem is that i'm not rewarded if i do that.
Another problem is that i don't have sp invested in dropsuit or weapons, not playing with a vehicle means a massacre for me, New players have better infantry equipment/dropsuits/weapons than me.

If at beginning of the game, someone on enemy team decide to start with proto-SL, we do not have positive KDR. Good driver doesn't have skill points in dropsuits or infantry weapons.

I'm curious what you describe as good KDR - me sniper have 9.+ with 3k kills, and HAV driver just 4.22 with 10k kills. It's not easy to kill someone with tank - when he know where you are, and what weapon you have. People with close range blasters need to risc a lot to get kill, those with mid range blasters doesn't have tank properly build. Railgun splash need 2-4 shots to kill someone, especially when he is in tanked proto Assault/Logistic suit. Missiles on HAV is totally joke against infantry.

Driving HAV's require actual skill to do so, while there is a lot of AV weapons that 'do the job for themself', SL for example are laag friendly(no matter what they always will hit).

Starya your many points and arguments are flawed in several aspects.

When you state things like tanks pay for a high kdr and are met with valid counter arguments like if we loose 1 tank every 5 games we are in a net loss. Unless we run 10 or 12 games of ambush in free suits. Do you know how mant times you can die in an ambus with free suits lol that totally negates our good kdr stats from tanking .

Tanks are not worth the current isk cost as it takes 5 games at keast to pay for a tank that can survive more than 4 or 5 vollys of swarms . When they reduced the module cost they doubled the turret price and that ended out with havs being more expensive than they were in chrome whare we acctually did domminate a battlefield.

Honestly most of the vet tankers like myself havs stayed with tanking after several nerfs not because wr want to be team stomping monsters but because we want to have fun in our tanks. Yes it may be hard to believe us tankers just want to have fun but having to grind 5 to 10 games of ambush in free suits to pay for 1 loss is not fun .... we are really the only class (other than comando) that is not viable for pc all tanks are good for in oc is point defense or rail snioing other tanks (if the proto av dosent get them first) we are the only class not to have anything proto . Thats just not fun when you are pitted up against wepons designed to destroy vehicles that are miles ahead of what we have.

If I you ever see me ingame squad up with me and ill drop you a tank of the highest speck (highest meta fit possible) aprox 2.4 mill (youll of couse send me the isk) then you can run it and see how its not worth its isk

This is a valid question from OP.


However, for purposes of balancing the battlefield and in-match gameplay:

KDR is irrelevant.
ISK is irrelevant

could much more easy get a high KD just going sniper.

i run REs on my sniper too.. there are much easier ways topad your K/D then tanking.

What I mean is, a main complaint of tankers seems to be that they can't be expected to grind as infantry because they don't have the SP and prefer to drive tanks. So if there'd be a tank variation that would be an equal non-factor as a dropsuit and equally cheap, you'd be happy?

I've gone 20/0 in a dropship before, and I know of plenty pilots who have done likewise if not better than that, does that mean I'm paying for my K/DR? (It's 1.37 btw) and do you know how I got that score? The enemy team fielded no AV, the only time you will see vehicles get a score like that is in one of two situations, the pilot plays smart making good use of friendly infantry to deal with AV and to protect the tank, that OP thing known as teamwork (OMG right?) and in matches where the red berries don't field AV, those are the only cases where vehicles get high K/DR's.

It's a simple fact that infantry can consistently field high scores at a much better ISK efficiency than a vehicle can, and everyone knows it's true, there's all this focus on the one or two matches where a tank stomps the enemy team, but none on the dozen matches where he's forced to withdraw or gets annihilated by enemy AV, and the even more numerous matches where he gets stomped on repeatedly due to the fact that most if not all of his sp is in vehicles skills and the infantry players get to use him as target practice as a result.

This whole paying for K/DR argument in regard to tanks is a load of BS, if want to have that argument go complain to the proto pub stompers, there the ones padding their K/DR with ISK.

I did, for the majority of the thread you have maintained that tankers pay ISK for their K/DR, here's some examples.


Thats a fair enough view and you should have started with it, would have stopped that knee jerk reaction every tanker got when he read the first page.

Now in my post I pointed out that I've gone 20/0 in a dropship before, now following the logic you used I would be paying ISK to get that many kills since that fit costs 900k ISK. I also pointed out that you will only see scores like that in two situations, where the enemy team is incompetent and doesn't field AV, and when the tanker is running with a squad that works well together and they successfully counter the enemy AV.

Apparently, to care about K/D is to be vanilla assault. Seems that anybody who tries to have fun and use the other things in this game like tanks are roundly criticized and despised.

I could care much less about my KDR. The problem is ISK efficiency and proto AV that can solo a tank in the right hands or if it's on a tower.

As others have stated earlier, infantry can fall back to militia dropsuits and equipment and still have their millions of SP helping them. And I hear that a militia AR can still kill a proto suit.

For tanks though, the militia stuff is absolute crap. They blow up too easily. In fact, militia tanks decrease your ISK efficiency, so we are forced to pay a much higher price to increase our ISK efficiency. While for infantry, it's their choice if they want to pay more for better attributes at a higher cost.

FFS, a KDR is meaningless. Who cares? Oh wait, is the problem that you are having trouble getting your own KDR high enough?

Seriously, a tank should should have a high KDR as it's a tank. If you want tankers to have a lower KDR then HTFU and pull out some AV when you see them.

Oh noes! Why should I have to change my fit? Waaah.

I also read you saying that tankers are paying for a high KDR.

an MLT tank still costs 500,000-300,000 to run tanks aren't free starter fits are...

but you get a gold star for effort!