You probably think I'm just QQing.

Well since 9/10 thread created in this forum is QQ that was the first thought i had about this thread when i came in.

Respect the scrambler rifle. Respect the user who has a scrambler rifle who fires with left mouse clicks that are easy to rapid fire.

Have the tryhards now resorted to using turbo modded controllers with the Scrambler Rifles?

I know they are good weapons and this I don't mind.

I pose this question because I was just in a match, and was killed in my Standard Heavy Suit in about .5 seconds from full HP. I was laying dead on the floor before my HP bars even started to drop.

I have my Shield Upgrade and Armor Upgrade Skills to lvl 5, and was using 1 complex plate for HP buffer.

While I understand it is a powerful weapon, is it really that powerful? It doesn't seem like it should be able to drop me this quickly.

Was this simply due to lag? It didn't seem like I was having difficulties in this regard. Input command was on time, and my framerate was fine.

You probably think I'm just QQing.

EDIT: The person was using a CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle

I've dropped standard heavies in what seems like 0.5 seconds before with a normal DS3. I use the CRW with proficiency 3. Begin with a charge shot to the head then a few rapid fire follow ups, drops most anybody.

I'm pretty sure it was you who did this to me!

Yes it was you. You were just in a match with a bunch of Contract Hunters.

Yes, why yes I was!

I assure you I was not using modded controllers or anything. Just a normal black dualshock 3. It was the CRW with proficiency 3 and 2 enhanced light damage mods to be exact.

EDIT: Oh, now I remember really clearly because Commander Marquess was in my squad, a former Ultramarine. Got kicked because he would not participate in Gallente/Minmatar FW, so now we always have fun whenever we see you guys on the other team.

In your opinion, does this in any way feel "balanced"

Yes, absolutely. I am not using your average diddly daddly scrambler rifle. I am using a higher tier scrambler rifle with high proficiency and multiple damage mods on an Amarr assault firing until I overheat. My fit is pretty much a glass cannon, and if I don't get all my hits to land on target than you'll probably survive and I'll be stuck in the overheat animation with very weak defenses. Also note that I had the high ground on you in the consolidation matrix so your head was an easy target.

And then there is also the fact that the scrambler rifle isn't worth squat up close, the hip fire is really bad.

For those wondering, this happened on spine crescent.

Now I must ask, are you complaining about the particular instance where Commander Marquess and I took two enemies out on the bridge at Alpha? If so, do not forget that Commander Marquess hit you with splash damage of his highly fitted Plasma Cannon before I came in to clean up immediately after.

No, I was in my Standard Minmatar Basic Medium Frame then. It's pretty squishy!

I'm talking about when we were inside the Delta Building. I had followed a Caldari up the stairs, and you were waiting on the small platform up in the side of the structure. I had just began to hose him down when you dropped me.

In your opinion, does this in any way feel "balanced"

Ah, the Consolidation Matrix. Anyways, keep in mind that this particular situation isn't necessarily a CRW + Prof 3 + 1 Complex DMG > Boundless HMG + Prof 5 + 1 Complex DMG. There are several other factors to consider here. Like

1. You were chasing someone so I got you while you were distracted
2. You were in an open area so could of been getting shot by other people as well
3. I had the high ground making you an easy target, especially for headshots

There's a lot more to it than just brute force. I had the clear tactical edge, wouldn't really say that makes the Scrambler Rifle OP. Oh and in case you were wondering since you logged out during the match, the Minmatar did lose.

Have the tryhards now resorted to using turbo modded controllers with the Scrambler Rifles?

I know they are good weapons and this I don't mind.

I pose this question because I was just in a match, and was killed in my Standard Heavy Suit in about .5 seconds from full HP. I was laying dead on the floor before my HP bars even started to drop.

I have my Shield Upgrade and Armor Upgrade Skills to lvl 5, and was using 1 complex plate for HP buffer.

While I understand it is a powerful weapon, is it really that powerful? It doesn't seem like it should be able to drop me this quickly.

Was this simply due to lag? It didn't seem like I was having difficulties in this regard. Input command was on time, and my framerate was fine.

You probably think I'm just QQing.

EDIT: The person was using a CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle

Changed Title to get more attention.

I actually did Rage Quit right after that death. I'm not even gonna try to lie. So enjoy those tears!

I wasn't necessarily asking for how you thought they measured up to each other in that particular situation, it was more of an in general inquiry.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that in the HMG's "optimal" range, I have never killed any suit, not even a Scout in that amount of time with Boundless + Proficiency 5 + 1 Comp. Dmg. Mod. I don't think I've killed anyone that fast at point blank range with this setup and I've been able to sneak up on snipers with it, directly blasting the back of their skull.

That makes me wonder, is the HMG severely underpowered?

I could drop the average suit in a second or less with the Scrambler Rifle if I had good aim.

I could also do that with the pre-ROF/clip-nerf Tactical AR.

One was deemed OP, the other was not...

Yes, yes it is severely UP. It's basically a shotgun, with all the range limitations that entails, with smooth DPS instead of alpha damage. Unless I'm a scout trying to nova knife you from the front, HMGs are not scary.
IMHO, HMGs need a serious dispersion buff. It needs to get tighter faster and have a higher accuracy ceiling.

That makes me wonder, is the HMG severely underpowered?

It could be, I haven't put enough play time into the HMG to really make a proper opinion. However the HMG seems to be more of a damage over time weapon while the scramblers (both pistol and rifle) are high alpha hit and run weapons. They shouldn't have the same initial kill speed, but the HMG should definitely be able to kill more over a prolonged battle.

But I mean, think of it like the scrambler pistol. It has the potential to drop enemies even faster than the scrambler rifle. So how do you defend yourself against that? And what makes the rifle any different?

Have the tryhards now resorted to using turbo modded controllers with the Scrambler Rifles?

I know they are good weapons and this I don't mind.

I pose this question because I was just in a match, and was killed in my Standard Heavy Suit in about .5 seconds from full HP. I was laying dead on the floor before my HP bars even started to drop.

I have my Shield Upgrade and Armor Upgrade Skills to lvl 5, and was using 1 complex plate for HP buffer.

While I understand it is a powerful weapon, is it really that powerful? It doesn't seem like it should be able to drop me this quickly.

Was this simply due to lag? It didn't seem like I was having difficulties in this regard. Input command was on time, and my framerate was fine.

You probably think I'm just QQing.

EDIT: The person was using a CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle

Changed Title to get more attention.

The almighty decaying Omega Plasma Round shall decimate your Filthy Minmatar body!
This has been Marquess Lancaster on Plasma rounds!

Well, technically speaking, since I am a Cloned Merc, wouldn't my body actually lack any racial genetic distinction?

My main Dropsuit is an Amarr Heavy Frame.

You cannot destroy my mind.

Do you see where this is going?

The suit itself is just a suit. you have chosen Minmatar as your race! No Amarr would ever fight for the Minmatar Filth that is the republic!

You tell him Lancaster

The suit itself is just a suit. you have chosen Minmatar as your race! No Amarr would ever fight for the Minmatar Filth that is the republic!

You cannot destroy my mind.

Sure your can!

The Clones have no genetic racial identity. All of this lies solely in the mind, which you will never be able to destroy or enslave. Your Amarrian mind is enslaved, however, by this concept of "god" and by your "Empress" who is nothing but an insatiable temple prostitute.

You do not have a soul, you have a body.

You are the soul, and your soul has your racial identity. Amarrians do not have an enslaved mind, rather the MInmatar have a corrupted mind via tampering by the Gallente.

Yet another reason Kb/M should not be supported in a console game.

I could QQ about this for days, weeks even.

Have you heard of the eagle eye? That thing has turbo and lets you play with Kb/M. Not supporting Kb/M will not get rid of the problem. Firing speed limits are the only way to stop turbo/ modded controllers.

A perfect example would be the speed limit imposed on the TAC AR. It worked perfectly. I will admit the other nerfs were unnecessary though.

Have the tryhards now resorted to using turbo modded controllers with the Scrambler Rifles?

I know they are good weapons and this I don't mind.

I pose this question because I was just in a match, and was killed in my Standard Heavy Suit in about .5 seconds from full HP. I was laying dead on the floor before my HP bars even started to drop.

I have my Shield Upgrade and Armor Upgrade Skills to lvl 5, and was using 1 complex plate for HP buffer.

While I understand it is a powerful weapon, is it really that powerful? It doesn't seem like it should be able to drop me this quickly.

Was this simply due to lag? It didn't seem like I was having difficulties in this regard. Input command was on time, and my framerate was fine.

You probably think I'm just QQing.

EDIT: The person was using a CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle

Changed Title to get more attention.

As far as rifles go it has the highest potential DPS exept for a heated laser rifle in its sweet spot. It is also the second hardest rifle to use, except for the Laser Rifle. Do you see the pattern?

I've dropped standard heavies in what seems like 0.5 seconds before with a normal DS3. I use the CRW with proficiency 3. Begin with a charge shot to the head then a few rapid fire follow ups, drops most anybody.

Have the tryhards now resorted to using turbo modded controllers with the Scrambler Rifles?

I know they are good weapons and this I don't mind.

I pose this question because I was just in a match, and was killed in my Standard Heavy Suit in about .5 seconds from full HP. I was laying dead on the floor before my HP bars even started to drop.

I have my Shield Upgrade and Armor Upgrade Skills to lvl 5, and was using 1 complex plate for HP buffer.

While I understand it is a powerful weapon, is it really that powerful? It doesn't seem like it should be able to drop me this quickly.

Was this simply due to lag? It didn't seem like I was having difficulties in this regard. Input command was on time, and my framerate was fine.

You probably think I'm just QQing.

EDIT: The person was using a CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle

Changed Title to get more attention.

Ive only seen an uprise in Scrambler use after i came back out of retirement, during the first week i saw very little scramblers on the field, now i am starting to see allot more of them.

tough with all Scrambler Rifle skills at V + KBM + 3x complex Damage Mod = Heavy dead in less then a 0.5 seconds, this is
because we lead with a headshot charged shot coupled with 3-4 rapid fire blasts right behind it.

Before you QQ: This weapon has been deemed the most balanced weapon since it came out and you didnt see it a whole lot, because most people can't aim for the life of it, tending to overheat it too much or outright kill themselves with it...

It does become quite deadly in the hands of people who had 20+ years of FPS experience, but we could just grab the AR with 3 damage mods and be even more deadly.

That's cool man I have 20 years too, I can't remember my first headshot tho, I think it was on Oregon Trail.

You're really good with it. What's your loadout?

One more thing, for curiosity's sake are you kb/m and do you left click or wheel?

My loadouts typically have 1 damage mod, 2 shield extenders and more armor repairers than plates. I try to run ADV equipment if i can. I use an SMG if I have the power grid for it but I can settle for a flaylock. I use a DS3.

Wolfenstein 3D -> id Software in -> 1992
Doom
Doom II
Doom III
Quake
Quake II
Duke Nukem 3D

etc ...

We werent all born with a DS3 glued to our hands man...

Edit: oh this one, i tought you were being sarcastic, my bad


1981GÇô85 The Oregon Trail (Apple II)
1992 The Oregon Trail (Macintosh)
1992 The Oregon Trail Deluxe (DOS)
1993GÇô96 The Oregon Trail Ver 1.2 (Windows)
1996 The Oregon Trail II (Windows)
1997 Oregon Trail, 3rd Edition (Windows)
2001 The Oregon Trail 4th Edition (Windows)
2002 The Oregon Trail 5th Edition (Windows)
2009 The Oregon Trail (DSiware)
2011 The Oregon Trail (Wii)
2011 The Oregon Trail (3DS)
2011 The Oregon Trail: American Settler (iOS, Android)
2012 The Oregon Trail (Windows Phone)

Have the tryhards now resorted to using turbo modded controllers with the Scrambler Rifles?

I know they are good weapons and this I don't mind.

I pose this question because I was just in a match, and was killed in my Standard Heavy Suit in about .5 seconds from full HP. I was laying dead on the floor before my HP bars even started to drop.

I have my Shield Upgrade and Armor Upgrade Skills to lvl 5, and was using 1 complex plate for HP buffer.

While I understand it is a powerful weapon, is it really that powerful? It doesn't seem like it should be able to drop me this quickly.

Was this simply due to lag? It didn't seem like I was having difficulties in this regard. Input command was on time, and my framerate was fine.

You probably think I'm just QQing.

EDIT: The person was using a CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle

Changed Title to get more attention.

A single instance could be anything.
If you experience that, say, twenty times THEN you have a case.

Have the tryhards now resorted to using turbo modded controllers with the Scrambler Rifles?

I know they are good weapons and this I don't mind.

I pose this question because I was just in a match, and was killed in my Standard Heavy Suit in about .5 seconds from full HP. I was laying dead on the floor before my HP bars even started to drop.

I have my Shield Upgrade and Armor Upgrade Skills to lvl 5, and was using 1 complex plate for HP buffer.

While I understand it is a powerful weapon, is it really that powerful? It doesn't seem like it should be able to drop me this quickly.

Was this simply due to lag? It didn't seem like I was having difficulties in this regard. Input command was on time, and my framerate was fine.

You probably think I'm just QQing.

EDIT: The person was using a CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle

Changed Title to get more attention.

You don't think this heavy has enough experience to know when something's off?
They sponge damage as a job.

Exactly right. I've been playing as a Heavy since Chromosome.

I understand that in skilled hands, the ScrR is very effective, but should it be this effective against a Suit whose role it is to tank damage and defend an objective, which is exactly what i was doing? I wasn't wandering aimlessly in the open expanses of the map, I was inside an objective trying to do what a Heavy is supposed to do, and got dropped as if I were in a scout suit.

If one person can drop a Heavy before the Heavy has time to fire 50 Rounds, the Heavy is extremely underpowered.

Exactly right. I've been playing as a Heavy since Chromosome.

I understand that in skilled hands, the ScrR is very effective, but should it be this effective against a Suit whose role it is to tank damage and defend an objective, which is exactly what i was doing? I wasn't wandering aimlessly in the open expanses of the map, I was inside an objective trying to do what a Heavy is supposed to do, and got dropped as if I were in a scout suit.

If one person can drop a Heavy before the Heavy has time to fire 50 Rounds, the Heavy is extremely underpowered.

It really depends how you look at it, is EVERYONE dropping you in sub 0.5 seconds with the SCR ?
then we have a problem, like with the TAC AR, everyone was dropping everyone in 0.5 seconds with it, killfeed was overun with the gun.

Right now only 1 awsome user with an SCR get dropped you in 0.5s, sounds a bit out of perspective if you ask me.

Question. How far away do the ScR users engage you? If they engage you in the 45-70m range, they win. However if you catch them up close they are toast, unless they can land a charged headshot (which is like the hardest thing to do in close quarters... ever).
Its all about how you engage someone that outranges you, far too often I have heavies rush me across open areas, only to be mercilessly gunned down by my ScR. If they were to use cover to close in on me they would likely win the conflict, but they don't... so they lose.

Ah, the Consolidation Matrix. Anyways, keep in mind that this particular situation isn't necessarily a CRW + Prof 3 + 1 Complex DMG > Boundless HMG + Prof 5 + 1 Complex DMG. There are several other factors to consider here. Like

1. You were chasing someone so I got you while you were distracted
2. You were in an open area so could of been getting shot by other people as well
3. I had the high ground making you an easy target, especially for headshots

There's a lot more to it than just brute force. I had the clear tactical edge, wouldn't really say that makes the Scrambler Rifle OP. Oh and in case you were wondering since you logged out during the match, the Minmatar did lose.

Question. How far away do the ScR users engage you? If they engage you in the 45-70m range, they win. However if you catch them up close they are toast, unless they can land a charged headshot (which is like the hardest thing to do in close quarters... ever).
Its all about how you engage someone that outranges you, far too often I have heavies rush me across open areas, only to be mercilessly gunned down by my ScR. If they were to use cover to close in on me they would likely win the conflict, but they don't... so they lose.

Ah, the Consolidation Matrix. Anyways, keep in mind that this particular situation isn't necessarily a CRW + Prof 3 + 1 Complex DMG > Boundless HMG + Prof 5 + 1 Complex DMG. There are several other factors to consider here. Like

1. You were chasing someone so I got you while you were distracted
2. You were in an open area so could of been getting shot by other people as well
3. I had the high ground making you an easy target, especially for headshots

There's a lot more to it than just brute force. I had the clear tactical edge, wouldn't really say that makes the Scrambler Rifle OP. Oh and in case you were wondering since you logged out during the match, the Minmatar did lose.

Aero is never without me.... except for this week..... but he is never alone. Never.

No, the ScrR in general drops me pretty quickly. Quicker than a Duvolle in most cases. The case which inspired this thread was kind of the straw that broke the camel's back.

I'm not saying the ScrR is overpowered. When I'm in my medium suit, I can evade and thereby negate some of it's DPS, in a heavy suit, you have no choice but to tank the damage-from everything.

Thats fine and all, but he was the only enemy shooting at me. This doesn't change the fact that if one guy can drop an almost 1200 HP Heavy in this amount of time, something is off balance.

You're right. A lot of the semi-auto weapons in the game have a completely ridiculous RoF. I want to see someone pull a trigger 12 times in 1 second or more.

#bionicfinger

Most Scr users use 2-3 damage mods, most Duvolle users do not, its a world of diffrence, how much EHP does your setup have ?

I can do that honestly. With an Imperial SCR, 3 complex damage mods and Proficiency to lvl 5, it is entirely possible to down a heavy in 1-2 seconds but a few factors need to be considered. For me to get a heavy down in 1 second, i NEED to hit my initial charge shot on his head and all of my follow-up shots need to hit his head as well. In my proto suit (with bonus skills), i can fire 15 shots before i overheat (or 1 charged, 14 follw-up) in a little less than 2 seconds. Impossible, you say? Think about this: both the ASCR and the SCR, at least in proto levels, have the same RoF. Have you seen how fast rounds fly out of the ASCR? And would it now seem impossible for a finger to mimic that speed? I got accused of using a turbo/modded controller last week, but I only use a white DS3. Maybe the color is lucky?

Now, with that said, it isn't without its hindrances.

1. All that damage doesn't mean squat if you can't aim the damn thing. The SCR DOES take skill to use; it is not a "fire and forget" weapon.

2. Recoil. SCR's and ASCR's are known to have quite a kick. You have to learn to to counter that, as this and point #1 can directly affect each other.

3. Overheat. Nothing need be said.

TL;DR: Yes, HMG's are gimped atm and the guy who killed your clone knew what he was doing before you even realized what was about to happen.

Well, nearly 1200 on my Standard. Armor and Shield Upgrade Skills are at 5, and I run 1 Comp. Plate for Buffer.

Ive only seen an uprise in Scrambler use after i came back out of retirement, during the first week i saw very little scramblers on the field, now i am starting to see allot more of them.

tough with all Scrambler Rifle skills at V + KBM + 3x complex Damage Mod = Heavy dead in less then a 0.5 seconds, this is
because we lead with a headshot charged shot coupled with 3-4 rapid fire blasts right behind it.

Before you QQ: This weapon has been deemed the most balanced weapon since it came out and you didnt see it a whole lot, because most people can't aim for the life of it, tending to overheat it too much or outright kill themselves with it...

It does become quite deadly in the hands of people who had 20+ years of FPS experience, but we could just grab the AR with 3 damage mods and be even more deadly.

It can also mean that someone wasn't paying attention to their surroundings

^ So much THIS!

This complaint seems weapon specific.

We're talking about the CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle.

Have the tryhards now resorted to using turbo modded controllers with the Scrambler Rifles?

I know they are good weapons and this I don't mind.

I pose this question because I was just in a match, and was killed in my Standard Heavy Suit in about .5 seconds from full HP. I was laying dead on the floor before my HP bars even started to drop.

I have my Shield Upgrade and Armor Upgrade Skills to lvl 5, and was using 1 complex plate for HP buffer.

While I understand it is a powerful weapon, is it really that powerful? It doesn't seem like it should be able to drop me this quickly.

Was this simply due to lag? It didn't seem like I was having difficulties in this regard. Input command was on time, and my framerate was fine.

You probably think I'm just QQing.

EDIT: The person was using a CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle

Changed Title to get more attention.

TL:DR

I got killed by a scrambler rifle in 2 seconds because I thought I could gib him in 2 seconds, he must be using a modded controller, that cheater cheater pumpkin eater!

...and got dropped as if I were in a scout suit.

If one guy is able to drop a heavy this quickly, when inside the heavy's supposed dominant area (indoor cqc) the Heavy suit is underpowered. Shotguns do not even drop me this quickly

Yet another reason Kb/M should not be supported in a console game.

It's a console for F**k's sake !! , how many other FPS's do people whine about not being able to use a keyboard and mouse in , COD MW ?? , BO 2 ?? , Crysis ? etc etc ...


I say even the playing field and make everyone use the controllers made for the console , if you want to use a keyboard and mouse , play on your PC ....

Was the topic changed???
EDIT: didn't read it all...

It's a console for F**k's sake !! , how many other FPS's do people whine about not being able to use a keyboard and mouse in , COD MW ?? , BO 2 ?? , Crysis ? etc etc ...


I say even the playing field and make everyone use the controllers made for the console , if you want to use a keyboard and mouse , play on your PC ....

Your funny... people just spend 60 bux and they use their mouse and keyboard.... Your right this is a console built for gaming... and not everyone has money to buy the latest computer and latest hardware upgrades every few weeks .....

http://www.penguinunitedstore.com/products/Eagle-Eye-Converter-for-Playstation-3.html

this CCP does know being very in-tuned with the computer gaming world, knowing the budget gaming box will become the console.

Gamepad is 30 years old.... Mouse and keyboard are so old its on its way out... its not some magical device that has come to replace your game pad....

Pretty soon the control interface will be at your imaginations end... notice hes playing a FPS?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3b4w749Tud8

Thats fine and all, but he was the only enemy shooting at me. This doesn't change the fact that if one guy can drop an almost 1200 HP Heavy in this amount of time, something is off balance.

Go back and at least read the damn thread before you troll!

Skimmed through some of this so going to reply without quoting my references, sorry.

20 meters is a gross underestimation for the distance I was shooting you at. Also whenever you are in the Consolidation Matrix it can be hard to tell how many people are shooting at you, but I can assure you I was never at the matrix by myself.

And actually True sometimes I do run solo, very rarely since we have so many great people in PIE Pub. Whenever I do it's usually just a quick ambush in public contracts though. Can't wait until you get back though, our characters are practically clones of each other in terms of skills, fits, and play styles which makes any scrambler rifle QQ even that much more frustrating for the enemy. Demoralize the opposition, let them know that there is no peace outside of the Lords grace!

You cannot, for my mind will live on, through those Minmatar who came before and those Minmatar who will be born after. We all are one mind; and we are Free.

These things you can never enslave or destroy.

Genocide.

Skimmed through some of this so going to reply without quoting my references, sorry.

20 meters is a gross underestimation for the distance I was shooting you at. Also whenever you are in the Consolidation Matrix it can be hard to tell how many people are shooting at you, but I can assure you I was never at the matrix by myself.

And actually True sometimes I do run solo, very rarely since we have so many great people in PIE Pub. Whenever I do it's usually just a quick ambush in public contracts though. Can't wait until you get back though, our characters are practically clones of each other in terms of skills, fits, and play styles which makes any scrambler rifle QQ even that much more frustrating for the enemy. Demoralize the opposition, let them know that there is no peace outside of the Lords grace!

Good luck with that.