Well since 9/10 thread created in this forum is QQ that was the first thought i had about this thread when i came in.

Respect the scrambler rifle. Respect the user who has a scrambler rifle who fires with left mouse clicks that are easy to rapid fire.

I've dropped standard heavies in what seems like 0.5 seconds before with a normal DS3. I use the CRW with proficiency 3. Begin with a charge shot to the head then a few rapid fire follow ups, drops most anybody.

Yes, why yes I was!

I assure you I was not using modded controllers or anything. Just a normal black dualshock 3. It was the CRW with proficiency 3 and 2 enhanced light damage mods to be exact.

EDIT: Oh, now I remember really clearly because Commander Marquess was in my squad, a former Ultramarine. Got kicked because he would not participate in Gallente/Minmatar FW, so now we always have fun whenever we see you guys on the other team.

Yes, absolutely. I am not using your average diddly daddly scrambler rifle. I am using a higher tier scrambler rifle with high proficiency and multiple damage mods on an Amarr assault firing until I overheat. My fit is pretty much a glass cannon, and if I don't get all my hits to land on target than you'll probably survive and I'll be stuck in the overheat animation with very weak defenses. Also note that I had the high ground on you in the consolidation matrix so your head was an easy target.

And then there is also the fact that the scrambler rifle isn't worth squat up close, the hip fire is really bad.

For those wondering, this happened on spine crescent.

Now I must ask, are you complaining about the particular instance where Commander Marquess and I took two enemies out on the bridge at Alpha? If so, do not forget that Commander Marquess hit you with splash damage of his highly fitted Plasma Cannon before I came in to clean up immediately after.

Ah, the Consolidation Matrix. Anyways, keep in mind that this particular situation isn't necessarily a CRW + Prof 3 + 1 Complex DMG > Boundless HMG + Prof 5 + 1 Complex DMG. There are several other factors to consider here. Like

1. You were chasing someone so I got you while you were distracted
2. You were in an open area so could of been getting shot by other people as well
3. I had the high ground making you an easy target, especially for headshots

There's a lot more to it than just brute force. I had the clear tactical edge, wouldn't really say that makes the Scrambler Rifle OP. Oh and in case you were wondering since you logged out during the match, the Minmatar did lose.

Yes, yes it is severely UP. It's basically a shotgun, with all the range limitations that entails, with smooth DPS instead of alpha damage. Unless I'm a scout trying to nova knife you from the front, HMGs are not scary.
IMHO, HMGs need a serious dispersion buff. It needs to get tighter faster and have a higher accuracy ceiling.

It could be, I haven't put enough play time into the HMG to really make a proper opinion. However the HMG seems to be more of a damage over time weapon while the scramblers (both pistol and rifle) are high alpha hit and run weapons. They shouldn't have the same initial kill speed, but the HMG should definitely be able to kill more over a prolonged battle.

But I mean, think of it like the scrambler pistol. It has the potential to drop enemies even faster than the scrambler rifle. So how do you defend yourself against that? And what makes the rifle any different?

The almighty decaying Omega Plasma Round shall decimate your Filthy Minmatar body!
This has been Marquess Lancaster on Plasma rounds!

The suit itself is just a suit. you have chosen Minmatar as your race! No Amarr would ever fight for the Minmatar Filth that is the republic!

Sure your can!

You do not have a soul, you have a body.

You are the soul, and your soul has your racial identity. Amarrians do not have an enslaved mind, rather the MInmatar have a corrupted mind via tampering by the Gallente.

Have you heard of the eagle eye? That thing has turbo and lets you play with Kb/M. Not supporting Kb/M will not get rid of the problem. Firing speed limits are the only way to stop turbo/ modded controllers.

A perfect example would be the speed limit imposed on the TAC AR. It worked perfectly. I will admit the other nerfs were unnecessary though.

You don't think this heavy has enough experience to know when something's off?
They sponge damage as a job.

It really depends how you look at it, is EVERYONE dropping you in sub 0.5 seconds with the SCR ?
then we have a problem, like with the TAC AR, everyone was dropping everyone in 0.5 seconds with it, killfeed was overun with the gun.

Right now only 1 awsome user with an SCR get dropped you in 0.5s, sounds a bit out of perspective if you ask me.

Question. How far away do the ScR users engage you? If they engage you in the 45-70m range, they win. However if you catch them up close they are toast, unless they can land a charged headshot (which is like the hardest thing to do in close quarters... ever).
Its all about how you engage someone that outranges you, far too often I have heavies rush me across open areas, only to be mercilessly gunned down by my ScR. If they were to use cover to close in on me they would likely win the conflict, but they don't... so they lose.

Ah, the Consolidation Matrix. Anyways, keep in mind that this particular situation isn't necessarily a CRW + Prof 3 + 1 Complex DMG > Boundless HMG + Prof 5 + 1 Complex DMG. There are several other factors to consider here. Like

1. You were chasing someone so I got you while you were distracted
2. You were in an open area so could of been getting shot by other people as well
3. I had the high ground making you an easy target, especially for headshots

There's a lot more to it than just brute force. I had the clear tactical edge, wouldn't really say that makes the Scrambler Rifle OP. Oh and in case you were wondering since you logged out during the match, the Minmatar did lose.

Aero is never without me.... except for this week..... but he is never alone. Never.

Most Scr users use 2-3 damage mods, most Duvolle users do not, its a world of diffrence, how much EHP does your setup have ?

I can do that honestly. With an Imperial SCR, 3 complex damage mods and Proficiency to lvl 5, it is entirely possible to down a heavy in 1-2 seconds but a few factors need to be considered. For me to get a heavy down in 1 second, i NEED to hit my initial charge shot on his head and all of my follow-up shots need to hit his head as well. In my proto suit (with bonus skills), i can fire 15 shots before i overheat (or 1 charged, 14 follw-up) in a little less than 2 seconds. Impossible, you say? Think about this: both the ASCR and the SCR, at least in proto levels, have the same RoF. Have you seen how fast rounds fly out of the ASCR? And would it now seem impossible for a finger to mimic that speed? I got accused of using a turbo/modded controller last week, but I only use a white DS3. Maybe the color is lucky?

Now, with that said, it isn't without its hindrances.

1. All that damage doesn't mean squat if you can't aim the damn thing. The SCR DOES take skill to use; it is not a "fire and forget" weapon.

2. Recoil. SCR's and ASCR's are known to have quite a kick. You have to learn to to counter that, as this and point #1 can directly affect each other.

3. Overheat. Nothing need be said.

TL;DR: Yes, HMG's are gimped atm and the guy who killed your clone knew what he was doing before you even realized what was about to happen.

It can also mean that someone wasn't paying attention to their surroundings

^ So much THIS!

This complaint seems weapon specific.

We're talking about the CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle.

TL:DR

I got killed by a scrambler rifle in 2 seconds because I thought I could gib him in 2 seconds, he must be using a modded controller, that cheater cheater pumpkin eater!

Was the topic changed???
EDIT: didn't read it all...

Genocide.

Skimmed through some of this so going to reply without quoting my references, sorry.

20 meters is a gross underestimation for the distance I was shooting you at. Also whenever you are in the Consolidation Matrix it can be hard to tell how many people are shooting at you, but I can assure you I was never at the matrix by myself.

And actually True sometimes I do run solo, very rarely since we have so many great people in PIE Pub. Whenever I do it's usually just a quick ambush in public contracts though. Can't wait until you get back though, our characters are practically clones of each other in terms of skills, fits, and play styles which makes any scrambler rifle QQ even that much more frustrating for the enemy. Demoralize the opposition, let them know that there is no peace outside of the Lords grace!