The sentinel skills should be changed to something useful and the HMG operations skill should 5% less spread per level instead of 5% less recoil

Well... Forge gun heavies are doing as well as before. HMG heavies are beastly up close against any suit, it's just that 35m+ HMG is just meh and you're a sitting duck. Unless you got a LAV you just have to avoid open areas, the problem is that even some installations have got open areas that will just devastate any heavies trying to spring across to the next cover.

lemmie fix that for you



the rest of the heavy weapons and dropsuits need to be implemented ASAP

there fixed

and im pretty sure operation is heat buildup not recoil

The sentinel skills should be changed to something useful and the HMG operations skill should 5% less spread per level instead of 5% less recoil

Hopefully an Amarr-based heavy weapon will be released that can overheat. Then the sentinel bonus would make sense.

Hopefully an Amarr-based heavy weapon will be released that can overheat. Then the sentinel bonus would make sense.

They already got love by having an increased turning speed (making them a LOT less vulnerable to fast suits!), so no, they don't need more love at this point in time!

But the sentinel skill is the skill ALL sentinel suits will get, and even if it was amarr only it should be a slower heat up instead because the current one promotes overheating which is something a good player won't do

The Sentinel Role bonus is 5% bonus to heavy weapon reload, which is meh, all weapons already have a rapid reload skill, so this is kind of redundant. I would rather see it as something like 3% resistance to small arms/explosives per level.

The Amarr Sentinel bonus of -5% Weapon Feedback Damage is at the moment, completely and utterly useless. When the Amarr Heavy weapon (laser?) is added to the game, this will be a perfect complement.

Accually the sentinel bonus is the feedback damage and the amarr sentinel is the reload for some reason, also it's only 2% faster reload
Both of these should be changed IMO, feedback damage promotes overheating which only bad players do so I think it should be a slower heat up instead to allow longer shooting durations, the reload speed should be changed to 3% damage resistance but I'm open to other ideas to

Played with the HMG after 1.4 update. Still bad, even more so with such large maps. They need range, even at the cost of some dispersion. A little extra damage wouldn't hurt. Still don't know how damage per round goes AR>SMG>HMG.

The Sentinel Role bonus is 5% bonus to heavy weapon reload, which is meh, all weapons already have a rapid reload skill, so this is kind of redundant. I would rather see it as something like 3% resistance to small arms/explosives per level.

its like this
.556>9mm>5mm
it makes sense.

and no heavies are just fine the way they are.

I'm fine with where heavies and their weapons are, stat wise.

What I am not fine with is the lack of content. One suit and two weapons... Yeah, and its been that way for, how long now? Since heavies were introduced?

Give us content, like, say, the Amarr heavy weapon, and suddenly people may stop complaining about the Amarr sentinel's bonus. Give us more than one suit, and suddenly, whole new worlds are opened up for us to explore.

Content. Or, rather, the lack thereof. That is the biggest problem that heavies face.

The Amarr Sentinel Bonus makes absolutely no sense for Amarr (+2% reload speed/level)

The Sentinel Role bonus should be the Amarr Sentinel Bonus (-5% Weapon FeedbackDamage/level). Even then, this would only be useful if we had a Heavy Weapon which caused feedack damage.

I agree wholeheartedly that we need more content for Heavies, but this wouldn't solve the goofy Sentinel Bonus Problems.

Actually, its just a flat 2% reload speed. It's not per level.

One can assume that since there will be a Heavy Laser of sorts in the future, that is the intended weapon for the Amarr Sentinel suit. Also i'd assume based on it reducing feedback dmg, the gun will probably be giving you consistent feedback dmg while the gun is being fired. It IS a huge laser and all.

It sounds like a lot of you want the different racial suits, which will have the different bonus's.

Minmatar will undoubtedly get an HMG bonus.

its like this
.556>9mm>5mm
it makes sense.

and no heavies are just fine the way they are.

I value your opinion but at the same time the HMG is useless. I switched over to my BPO Gallente and have been owning heavies ever since. I have only died once to them and that was do to the useless radar we have . Ran right into a heavy face first and I still almost beat the heavy. This is sad, I was a heavy since beta, but since 1.4 you can forget about it. The HMG and the heavy class needs a redo or deleted and all SP, ISK, and Aurum refunded.

Played with the HMG after 1.4 update. Still bad, even more so with such large maps. They need range, even at the cost of some dispersion. A little extra damage wouldn't hurt. Still don't know how damage per round goes AR>SMG>HMG.

Didn't you guys get the message no one wants you heavy hmg users in the game, and every post you make us AR kings will tell you you are dumb, cnat play your role, or get good scrub. Beause we like owning your fat asses all game.
Heavys are AR user's stat Padders

The HMG is in a great spot it can't beat me and my AR and that's exactly how it should be

Didn't you guys get the message no one wants you heavy hmg users in the game, and every post you make us AR kings will tell you you are dumb, cnat play your role, or get good scrub. Beause we like owning your fat asses all game.
Heavys are AR user's stat Padders

The HMG is in a great spot it can't beat me and my AR and that's exactly how it should be

lemmie fix that for you



the rest of the heavy weapons and dropsuits need to be implemented ASAP

there fixed

and im pretty sure operation is heat buildup not recoil

I can't tell if you're trolling or if you're just a jerkoff

Do you agree?
What are some ideas on what should be done?
CCP what are youguys thinking?

[quote=RedZer0 MK1]Played with the HMG after 1.4 update. Still bad, even more so with such large maps. They need range, even at the cost of some dispersion. A little extra damage wouldn't hurt. Still don't know how damage per round goes AR>SMG>HMG.

The sentinel skills should be changed to something useful and the HMG operations skill should 5% less spread per level instead of 5% less recoil

Played HMG heavy(lvl 1HMGops) and i have to say it the HMG sucks balls,the suit is workable and usable but the weapon itself defies design logic mainly from it's strange cone of fire making mid range engagements more difficult than they actually supposed to be. HMG needs a rework of how it operates while keeping it's stats the same.

HMG is good - a lot of you are just terrible. Buff players.

Bad heavy detected.

Troll detected

Another bad heavy detected. They seem to control the forums for the heavy community these days.

Another bad heavy detected. They seem to control the forums for the heavy community these days.

Obvious troll is obvious. I went 38-1 with heavy using dual smgs so ...

SMGwhy?

Someone said it was good so I tried it out. Worked pretty well. Was awesome not having every shot miss to.

omg someone did well in a pub?! Amazing! Now try SMG/Heavy combo in PC plz.

You have to make peace with the idea that HMG which is short to medium range weapon is not suitable for all situations. If you like running around, level up AR and use it when you know you are gonna be pushing forward. Use HMG only when you are playing defensively in areas with tight confines or when you are running with the rest of your squad with friends that know to support you and wait for you instead of leaving you behind.

What I am saying is don't hate the heavy with HMG because it's not an assault with AR. When you chose heavy you signed up to be a brick wall that's not supposed to move around much or be out in the open. You still can do those things if you put an AR on the heavy but of course in that situation you'll be worse than an assault, again like you are supposed to be.

Finally, maps are a big problem - seems they were designed for assaults with large open spaces - not large enough for snipers in most cases but great for assaults and too open for scouts and heavies.

I understand that, but the HMGs spread makes it to inconsistant at close range unless your standing still and croutched.

You have to make peace with the idea that HMG which is short to medium range weapon is not suitable for all situations. If you like running around, level up AR and use it when you know you are gonna be pushing forward. Use HMG only when you are playing defensively in areas with tight confines or when you are running with the rest of your squad with friends that know to support you and wait for you instead of leaving you behind.

What I am saying is don't hate the heavy with HMG because it's not an assault with AR. When you chose heavy you signed up to be a brick wall that's not supposed to move around much or be out in the open. You still can do those things if you put an AR on the heavy but of course in that situation you'll be worse than an assault, again like you are supposed to be.

Finally, maps are a big problem - seems they were designed for assaults with large open spaces - not large enough for snipers in most cases but great for assaults and too open for scouts and heavies.

I think a "3% resistance to small arms/grenades" Skill is EXACTLY what it needs. CCP i really hope you see this. the following is from the dust website:
"HEAVY
The Heavy dropsuit is designed to withstand concentrated small arms fire and protect the wearer from low-grade explosives. Its power-assisted exoskeleton lets the wearer use the heaviest weapons available.
What heavy dropsuits lack in mobility they make up for with incomparable defenses. Mercenaries wearing such armor have been known to survive going toe-to-toe with enemy vehicles."
Right now the heavy doesnt have incomparable defenses. A medium with tanked armor and shields are actually very comparable.

Do you agree?
What are some ideas on what should be done?
CCP what are youguys thinking?

heavies dont need the over heat skill back since they reduced the Heat per second on higher tiered HMGs

not to the extent as before the change but at least its there