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Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1276	Posted - 2013.09.14 23:43:00 - [1] - Quote Pull up a bar stool recruit. I've been working up some numbers on the old NeoCom here about passive and active scanning and I'd like to pass them on to you so you can stop losing so many clones. Those things don't grow on trees you know. Probably because we have so few trees to check. Anyway, on with the lesson. First, passive scanning is about picking up the electronic noise all the plasma generators, shield emitters, music players and fusion reactors your suits are giving off. You want your profile to be as small as possible and you want your passive detectors to pick up the quietest signal possible. Simply put, lower is better for both and it's a race to the bottom between you and the enemy. Second, passive scanning is about the short range sensors on your suit. Those are normally 10 meters to just over 30 for a fully trained Gallente Scout with prototype sensors. Your eyes are still important for spotting the enemy and your weapon's sensors will also report an enemy at great range if pointed directly at them. With the current generation of suits there are five main classes you need to think about: light frame, medium frame, heavy frame, scout and logistics. Scouts are special because they can reduce their own noise through training. Logistics have a better passive detection than the rest of the medium frames so they are naturally hidden from them. So, what does this mean to you. The simplest case is you are busy hacking a terminal that is out in the open. If someone comes up to you and has a lower profile than you are sensitive to then they'll walk up and put a nova knife in your brain. Ouch. If you detect them when they get into range you'll have a chance to evade and shoot them in the face. The goal is to optimize the number of cases where you shoot them in the face. Instead of presenting a table with lots of fancy numbers and odd mixes of skill levels and modules I have some basic rules to refer to. I figure any halfway smart scout will train up profile dampening at the same time they are leveling up so my numbers have them at equal levels. I also don't talk about basic light suits much. Just more data to crunch. Also, my numbers may have errors. I will not bite if you can prove they are wrong. I still have that spoon from our last discussion and may use that if catch me on a bad day though. On to the important stuff. For passive scanning: Rule zero: You are not invisible. If they use their eyes you will be spotted. Rule number 1: If you are a scout you will not appear on passive sensors to every other suit class even if they have trained Precision Enhancement 5. Well, a logistics with enhancement 5 might spot an untrained light suit. I don't know if you are detected if the profile and the sensor matches exactly. In every other case they have to use enhancement modules to detect you unless they have an active scanner or are looking right at you. You are a ghost in a fight with other ghosts. Rule number 2: If you are a logistics all other medium and heavier suits will not see you on passive scan unless they have Precision Enhancement 5. One skill level in Profile Dampening will counter that. Train it. Now. Done yet? Rule number 3: A medium frame runs into a room without checking to either side. What does he see on his scanner if he doesn't turn around? Unless he has precision enhancement to 5 or there are heavies hiding there he won't see a thing. The entire squad of mediums, logistics and scouts will take turn spanking you. Seriously, your passive scanners are just about useless. Train to 5, which is a drag, or at least to 1 and sacrifice one slot for a basic precision enhancer to at least see other assaults and logistics. Rule number 4: Heavies only see other suits if they are looking right at them. You can fix this with modules but that would be stupid. Just tape a scout to your helmet and let him look around for you. Scouts are small and weak so one roll of duct tape should work. Now for active scanners: Rule number 5: The standard grade scanners won't pick up any light suit but will find anybody else other than a medium frame with profile dampening skill 5. Even a basic dampener module will fix this except for heavies which need two of the basic or one complex, but that's dumb. Rule number 6: The advanced grade scanners find light frames that don't have any skill in dampening. A scout can fit a basic dampener and disappear. Medium frames need either two basic dampeners or one complex to hide. This is a nice compromise for most operations. Rule number 7: For a scout to hide from the 28 dB prototype scanners you need at least scout level 3, dampening level 3 and one enhanced dampener. A level 1 scout needs three basic dampeners to do that same thing. No scout, no matter what skills they have, can hide from the 28 dB scanner without a module. With high skill and at least two modules mediums and even a heavy could disappear but it would a very special fit. Can a heavy fit three complex dampeners? I don't know. Rule number 8: To hide from the Duvolle Focused Active Scanner 15 dB you need to have scout 5, dampening 5 and two complex dampeners. Unless you are fighting a pack of rabid Ninja assassins then I wouldn't worry too much about carrying one. No other suit has any chance of hiding from this scanner.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2013.09.14 23:51:00 - [2] - Quote Good article. One tip: spinning around while using your active scanner, if done right (I'm not sure what exactly the condition is, you just have to get a feel for it) will let you scan 360 degrees instead of 60 or 30.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1276	Posted - 2013.09.14 23:57:00 - [3] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Good article. One tip: spinning around while using your active scanner, if done right (I'm not sure what exactly the condition is, you just have to get a feel for it) will let you scan 360 degrees instead of 60 or 30. Ah, yes, the dance of the flashlight. This is an important technique. Thanks!
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces 442	Posted - 2013.09.15 08:27:00 - [4] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Good article. One tip: spinning around while using your active scanner, if done right (I'm not sure what exactly the condition is, you just have to get a feel for it) will let you scan 360 degrees instead of 60 or 30. Yes, a very important trick for "scouts". (I quoted it as the action of gaining Intel on your surrounding for your allies is considered scouting.) Just wait for the animation to start before spinning. Spinning early might cause you to miss something (maybe 1 or 2 degrees) `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1282	Posted - 2013.09.15 15:04:00 - [5] - Quote I think I should talk about the messages you see when you are scanned. I've seen some confusion in other threads. I know YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED means you were detected. I ran several contracts yesterday in a fit that should avoid advanced scanners but never saw the message about not being detected. You go looking for trouble and you can't find it. I'll try again today but if anybody can post the message I'd appreciate it. If anybody has information about the accuracy message the person doing the scanning sees I'd appreciate that too. At level 3 scanning I only remember seeing the 'no error' message.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 45	Posted - 2013.09.15 17:05:00 - [6] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: I think I should talk about the messages you see when you are scanned. I've seen some confusion in other threads. I know YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED means you were detected. I ran several contracts yesterday in a fit that should avoid advanced scanners but never saw the message about not being detected. You go looking for trouble and you can't find it. I'll try again today but if anybody can post the message I'd appreciate it. If anybody has information about the accuracy message the person doing the scanning sees I'd appreciate that too. At level 3 scanning I only remember seeing the 'no error' message. If you "dodge" a scan, you get a big message like "YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED" but it says "SCAN PREVENTED" instead, it's really very clear. If someone dodges your scan, instead of "NO MARGIN OF ERROR" you get "SOME MARGIN OF ERROR".
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1282	Posted - 2013.09.15 17:14:00 - [7] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: If you "dodge" a scan, you get a big message like "YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED" but it says "SCAN PREVENTED" instead, it's really very clear. If someone dodges your scan, instead of "NO MARGIN OF ERROR" you get "SOME MARGIN OF ERROR". Thank you. Exactly what I was looking for.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 270	Posted - 2013.09.15 19:09:00 - [8] - Quote Did you test using a basic profile dampener on a medium suit to avoid detection from standard scanners? I know the numbers are supposed to add up. The scan profile should be 45 dB and the scan precision should be 46 dB, but when I tested this for a few days I never managed to avoid a scan. Maybe everyone is using advanced scanners because they have too much CPU/PG....
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1284	Posted - 2013.09.15 19:54:00 - [9] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: Did you test using a basic profile dampener on a medium suit to avoid detection from standard scanners? I know the numbers are supposed to add up. The scan profile should be 45 dB and the scan precision should be 46 dB, but when I tested this for a few days I never managed to avoid a scan. Maybe everyone is using advanced scanners because they have too much CPU/PG.... I have medium frame with level 1 dampening and basic being: 50 -> 49 -> 41.5 so it should work. I finally have a few hours to do some more testing so I'll add a suit for that.
S Park Finner DUST University Ivy League 276	Posted - 2013.09.15 20:04:00 - [10] - Quote I put together a summary of what we know about Active Scanners and posted it in General Discussions. I'd appreciate it if you would take a look at it and comment on it. After it has had a bit of time on the high-volume forum I'll cross post the results here. I hope it's useful and many thanks for any help you can give.

gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 3471	Posted - 2013.09.15 20:04:00 - [11] - Quote gbghg's guide to scanning step 1: point scanner step 2: press button step: enjoy christmas but seriously reav, good guide +1.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1287	Posted - 2013.09.15 22:58:00 - [12] - Quote A few hours of matches and nobody has scanned me. Either my fit is hiding and I'm not seeing a message or nobody has scanners out, which I find hard to believe.
Iviin'yc Skirata The Phoenix Federation 2	Posted - 2013.09.16 02:06:00 - [13] - Quote Thanks a lot Hannari. I am a Nova Knifer so this is very helpful. As well the only equipment i'll go into probably is Scanning so this is very helpful.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1288	Posted - 2013.09.16 02:09:00 - [14] - Quote Iviin'yc Skirata wrote: Thanks a lot Hannari. I am a Nova Knifer so this is very helpful. As well the only equipment i'll go into probably is Scanning so this is very helpful. Glad I could help. I hope to update it as more information becomes available. I'm actively testing and upgrading my skills and modules in this area right now.
Iviin'yc Skirata The Phoenix Federation 3	Posted - 2013.09.16 02:34:00 - [15] - Quote Minmatar scout suits give the racial bonus regarding nova knives but pg/cpu wise it is difficult to fit. A nova knifer doesn't make a lot of sp or isk so i've got to put my passive sp on. After awhile i'll be done with engineering abd electronics so it will be easier to fit mods. Until then i won't be hiding from scanners. I'll probably have to keep my advanced basic light suit in stoc so i can use its higher pg cpu for scanners. Right now i'm not using equipment or grenades, sometimes not even a sidearm.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 46	Posted - 2013.09.16 16:36:00 - [16] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: Did you test using a basic profile dampener on a medium suit to avoid detection from standard scanners? I know the numbers are supposed to add up. The scan profile should be 45 dB and the scan precision should be 46 dB, but when I tested this for a few days I never managed to avoid a scan. Maybe everyone is using advanced scanners because they have too much CPU/PG.... IIRC the fitting difference for scanners between STD and ADV is only +8 CPU.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1340	Posted - 2013.09.19 01:06:00 - [17] - Quote Bojo and I managed to get some alone time together and tested scanning a bit. Hey, it was just testing. There was no funny business going on. Anyway, changes worth mentioning... Confirmed that your passive profile is not affected by firing your weapon, sprinting or crouching. You can also be passively scanned through walls and terrain. When you are not in a vehicle the first ring for your TACNET display is at 20 meters, the second at 65 m and the maximum range is 100 m. I haven't tested vehicles yet. Visual range is 30 degrees off axis to about the first tick mark past the second ring or around 80 m. Detection fades out gradually but pointing your weapon will light up the enemy when beyond visual. Something most people already new but recording it here for the rookies. We confirmed detection and ranges based on our fits and didn't find any discrepancies from what was calculated or presented before. I still have some open questions on detection by depots and CRUs, what happens when profile and sensitivity is exactly the same, and anything related to vehicles.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 100	Posted - 2013.09.19 01:25:00 - [18] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Bojo and I managed to get some alone time together and tested scanning a bit. Hey, it was just testing. There was no funny business going on. Anyway, changes worth mentioning... All scanning no probing.... gotcha Good info, thank you and Bojo
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 926	Posted - 2013.09.19 04:32:00 - [19] - Quote Nice work Reav, thanks for sharing. And what you guys do on your own time is your own business......
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1344	Posted - 2013.09.19 05:07:00 - [20] - Quote Remembered one test: active scanners do not make you appear on the enemy TACNET. I think this was intended at one point.

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1075	Posted - 2013.09.19 12:07:00 - [21] - Quote I am getting confused without the basic numbers. Here they are from Chankk SaotomeGÇÖs guide. Chankk Saotome wrote: Scan Profile static base stats: 65 for Heavy frames 50 for Medium Frames 45 for Light Frames. Scan Precision static base stats: 60 for Heavy frames 55 for Medium/Assault frames 50 for Logistics frames 45 for Light frames Scan Radius static base stats: Confirmed: 10.0m across the board for all suits You should que sync with someone and both run no skill alts in Light Frame suits with no special mods to test the result of having equal sensor and profile numbers. Light Frame suits have both a Profile and Precision of 45. Also, when you post a guide, particularly if it stretches the character limit for a post as this one does, you should always reserve an extra post or to for future expansion. All us guide writers tend to learn this the hard way the first time. ____________________________________________________________________________ Immortal Guides, supporting knowledge dissemination in New Eden since August 31, 2013.

CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 118051	Posted - 2013.09.19 13:25:00 - [22] - Quote Man... I need to get me an active scanner... Game Designer // Team True Grit http://twitter.com/regnerba

Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 539	Posted - 2013.09.19 13:39:00 - [23] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Man... I need to get me an active scanner... How's your dev blog goin? Sorry OP for an off-topic remark. I hope you don't mind this particular quote...
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1359	Posted - 2013.09.19 14:01:00 - [24] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Man... I need to get me an active scanner... Yes. Yes, you do. Aim for the advanced though. I don't think the basic is worth it.
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces 477	Posted - 2013.09.19 15:00:00 - [25] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Man... I need to get me an active scanner... Yes. Yes, you do. Aim for the advanced though. I don't think the basic is worth it. Say that to the many, many, MANY people I killed while marking them with meh ol' flux scanner. Due to it's low angle you can find players that managed to "Duck" the scan by just scanning small areas at a time. Found a redline sniper, tac assault, and railtank doing this. I seen the tank and the assault from afar but got that "Some margin for error" so I used more precise scans. After I narrowed down his position I rushed past there redline and killed them both while my tank buddy took out there rail tank. lol sniper AND a rail tank redline sniping with an assault bodyguard lol. Sad. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1361	Posted - 2013.09.19 15:10:00 - [26] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I am getting confused without the basic numbers. Here they are from Chankk SaotomeGÇÖs guide. The original post is at the limit for text. Once I'm confident in my own computations I may head over to the EVE wiki and setup the guide there along with a full chart of scan profiles. I have a pilot so that works for me but other guide publishers may not have the same option. The wiki would be nice since others can add and edit.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 6063	Posted - 2013.09.19 19:59:00 - [27] - Quote Great thread, very useful info
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 359	Posted - 2013.09.19 22:17:00 - [28] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Man... I need to get me an active scanner... One of the worse pieces if equipment introduced into dust. Breaks 2 skill trees.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 68	Posted - 2013.09.19 23:59:00 - [29] - Quote xAckie wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Man... I need to get me an active scanner... One of the worse pieces if equipment introduced into dust. Breaks 2 skill trees. Please clarify, what skill trees does it break and how? If you mean passive range and passive precision enhancement, those are useless whether active scanners exist or not.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1920	Posted - 2013.09.20 05:06:00 - [30] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: xAckie wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Man... I need to get me an active scanner... One of the worse pieces if equipment introduced into dust. Breaks 2 skill trees. Please clarify, what skill trees does it break and how? If you mean passive range and passive precision enhancement, those are useless whether active scanners exist or not. NOT TRUE we just proved that passive scanning works.

Roldrage The Plasma Cannon Doctrine 163	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:58:00 - [31] - Quote If I have profile dampening lvl5 and an adv dampener can I avoid adv scanners?
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1387	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:07:00 - [32] - Quote Roldrage wrote: If I have profile dampening lvl5 and an adv dampener can I avoid adv scanners? With your skill and one advanced dampener and to beat a 36 dB scanner: Frame: Skill Only / +1 ADV Damp Light: 40.5 / 31.5 YES Medium: 45 / 35 YES Heavy: 58.5 / 45.5 NO formula might be slightly off, can't confirm through in-game client
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 87	Posted - 2013.09.21 00:48:00 - [33] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Awry Barux wrote: xAckie wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Man... I need to get me an active scanner... One of the worse pieces if equipment introduced into dust. Breaks 2 skill trees. Please clarify, what skill trees does it break and how? If you mean passive range and passive precision enhancement, those are useless whether active scanners exist or not. NOT TRUE we just proved that passive scanning works. I know it works, I mean relatively useless. Compared to 100m radius, 360 degree, 36db precision x 16-second illumination time active scans, which require 1 equip slot and no modules, passive scans are not particularly useful.
Blake Kingston Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 92	Posted - 2013.09.21 03:16:00 - [34] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Man... I need to get me an active scanner... Yes. Yes, you do. Aim for the advanced though. I don't think the basic is worth it. I just tried basic and it's turned my world around... It gets better? My god, it's full of stars....
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 94	Posted - 2013.09.21 03:32:00 - [35] - Quote Blake Kingston wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Man... I need to get me an active scanner... Yes. Yes, you do. Aim for the advanced though. I don't think the basic is worth it. I just tried basic and it's turned my world around... It gets better? My god, it's full of stars.... So, take your basic scanner, and then make it illuminate targets for 3x as long. That's how the ADV Quantum scanner rolls.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1940	Posted - 2013.09.21 18:46:00 - [36] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: I know it works, I mean relatively useless. Compared to 100m radius, 360 degree, 36db precision x 16-second illumination time active scans, which require 1 equip slot and no modules, passive scans are not particularly useful. That's why I am trying to nerf active scanners for the sake of scouts.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 210	Posted - 2013.09.25 12:20:00 - [37] - Quote Is there a channel for those interested in furthering our scanning knowledge? I have my profile dampeners to proto and I was getting scanned in a suit that I thought would be able to dodge the 28dB scanners - according to the Dust Fitting Tool I'm at 27dB with a medium frame and complex+enhanced dampeners. When I switched to two complexes, I was able to dodge the scans, so I don't think a Duvolle Focused was being used. I'd like to test this definitely if anyone has time to queue sync this Saturday and has proto scanners unlocked. I'm also curious as to whether one enhanced dampener with Lvl 5 in the skill (36dB for medium suits) will allow you to dodge the 36dB advanced scanner. We can test that too :)
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1425	Posted - 2013.09.25 13:03:00 - [38] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Is there a channel for those interested in furthering our scanning knowledge? I have my profile dampeners to proto and I was getting scanned in a suit that I thought would be able to dodge the 28dB scanners - according to the Dust Fitting Tool I'm at 27dB with a medium frame and complex+enhanced dampeners. When I switched to two complexes, I was able to dodge the scans, so I don't think a Duvolle Focused was being used. I'd like to test this definitely if anyone has time to queue sync this Saturday and has proto scanners unlocked. I'm also curious as to whether one enhanced dampener with Lvl 5 in the skill (36dB for medium suits) will allow you to dodge the 36dB advanced scanner. We can test that too :) Please post your results here with all factors involved so I can compare to my numbers.
Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 238	Posted - 2013.09.25 15:00:00 - [39] - Quote I was looking through the market yesterday and it seems that CCP has changed the logistics suit to have the same profile and precision of assault and medium suits.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1429	Posted - 2013.09.25 15:08:00 - [40] - Quote Stile451 wrote: I was looking through the market yesterday and it seems that CCP has changed the logistics suit to have the same profile and precision of assault and medium suits. I just spot checked some Basic, Assault and Logistics suits. Basic and Assault are still 50/55 and Logistics still 50/50. You had me concerned.

Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 239	Posted - 2013.09.25 16:14:00 - [41] - Quote I swear all I was seeing yesterday was 50/50.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2034	Posted - 2013.09.25 23:03:00 - [42] - Quote Stile451 wrote: I swear all I was seeing yesterday was 50/50. That would be a scanning buff to mediums and assaults then.....now you had me concerned
Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 239	Posted - 2013.09.26 01:28:00 - [43] - Quote I timed the cool downs for all of the active scanners and put them in a spreadsheet(along with the rest of the data). The Duvolle Focused and CreoDron Flux scanners have horrific cool down times.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2038	Posted - 2013.09.26 14:16:00 - [44] - Quote Stile451 wrote: I timed the cool downs for all of the active scanners and put them in a spreadsheet(along with the rest of the data). The Duvolle Focused and CreoDron Flux scanners have horrific cool down times. Because it can fricken detect anything.
Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 240	Posted - 2013.09.26 16:12:00 - [45] - Quote While true I don't believe that it's worth it. The focused gives you 5 seconds where everyone is visible at the cost of 25 seconds blind. I have yet to come across anyone who can't be scanned by any of the other prototype scanners(not going to say it isn't possible, but most scouts use their lows for something else). As for the CreoDron Flux I can run 3 scans in different directions(or spin in 3 different locations) where the CreoDron Flux has a very short scan time which would prevent me from getting good coverage through spinning(although I could start spinning before scanning which might help).
Seeth Mensch Damage Core corp. The Superpowers 23	Posted - 2013.09.28 16:29:00 - [46] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Rule number 4: Heavies only see other suits if they are looking right at them. You can fix this with modules but that would be stupid. Just tape a scout to your helmet and let him look around for you. Scouts are small and weak so one roll of duct tape should work. LOL. Just kept on lolling. Getting funny looks from coworkers now...gotta stop lurking while on the job....
Seeth Mensch Damage Core corp. The Superpowers 23	Posted - 2013.09.28 16:32:00 - [47] - Quote This is an excellent article. Thank you very much for clearing up the passive/active thing for me, whether it's worth training (with your info, I can make an informed choice!), and very, very much thank you for the distance measures on the radar. One more step! (god, this game punishes newbies.)
Seeth Mensch Damage Core corp. The Superpowers 23	Posted - 2013.09.28 16:47:00 - [48] - Quote Stile451 wrote: I timed the cool downs for all of the active scanners and put them in a spreadsheet(along with the rest of the data). The Duvolle Focused and CreoDron Flux scanners have horrific cool down times. You are AWESOME. Thank you for the concise info! If it's not there, I'll toss it in the wiki.
Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 245	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:10:00 - [49] - Quote Just saw this and thought it was very informative: Shotty GoBang wrote: On Avoiding Meta 8 Scanners: Debugged our earlier maths and progressions. Thanks to Void and Marauder for pointing out my error on stacking percentage bonus. So here's the updated breakdown (by level): Level 5 Scouts: Profile Dampening Lvl(2) + 1 Bsc Dampener = 27.54 dB Level 4 Scouts: Profile Dampening Lvl(3) + 1 Enh Dampener = 27.07 dB Level 3 Scouts: Profile Dampening Lvl(5) + 1 Enh Dampener = 27.54 dB Level 2 Scouts: Profile Dampening Lvl(5) + 1 Cmp Dampener = 27.34 dB Level 1 Scouts: Profile Dampening Lvl(5) + 2 Bsc Dampener = 27.80 dB Light-Frames: Profile Dampening Lvl(3) + 2 Enh Dampener = 27.07 dB * Still awaiting feedback regarding Equivalent Profile/Precision (tie goes to the runner?): https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=106274 Warning! These are super-close to 28 dB, and we still don't know if a tie goes to the runner...can't hurt to put another point into Dampening just to be safe. Observation: It likely makes more long-term sense to skill further into Scout Suits than to max out Profile Dampening. - Shotty
Blake Kingston Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 104	Posted - 2013.09.28 23:47:00 - [50] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Remembered one test: active scanners do not make you appear on the enemy TACNET. I think this was intended at one point. Though from the 'you have been scanned' message, they can start guessing where you might be. Sometimes quite accurately.

Blake Kingston Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 104	Posted - 2013.09.28 23:51:00 - [51] - Quote I'd swear an active scanner, even just a basic (what I work with currently) really turns a battle around - I mean, the number of times I run a sweep, then watch as all the blue dots suddenly swing around on some incoming red dot - if I got even just 10 WP once per minute for scan assisted kills, I'd get a fair bit of WPs! They should recommend active scanners to new players - makes the learning curve MUCH gentler, IMO! Would retain more players!
IAmDuncanIdaho II The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 93	Posted - 2013.09.29 09:46:00 - [52] - Quote Blake Kingston wrote: I'd swear an active scanner, even just a basic (what I work with currently) really turns a battle around - I mean, the number of times I run a sweep, then watch as all the blue dots suddenly swing around on some incoming red dot - if I got even just 10 WP once per minute for scan assisted kills, I'd get a fair bit of WPs! They should recommend active scanners to new players - makes the learning curve MUCH gentler, IMO! Would retain more players! You mean green dots right? I think active scanner data only shows up on the tacnet of your squad. The whole team doesn't get to see that data. Glad you're having fun with them! :)
Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 249	Posted - 2013.09.29 15:19:00 - [53] - Quote Last build if you didn't have a squad then every unsquadded player on your team was considered to be your squad(just no orbitals). Whether this remains the same I have no idea.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1518	Posted - 2013.09.29 15:26:00 - [54] - Quote Stile451 wrote: Last build if you didn't have a squad then every unsquadded player on your team was considered to be your squad(just no orbitals). Whether this remains the same I have no idea. I think this is another buggy feature, like uplinks being squad only but not really. Yesterday I spent some time as a lone wolf and suddenly saw a pack of reds appear on my TACNET, pulsing from someone else's scan.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 156	Posted - 2013.09.30 08:16:00 - [55] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Stile451 wrote: Last build if you didn't have a squad then every unsquadded player on your team was considered to be your squad(just no orbitals). Whether this remains the same I have no idea. I think this is another buggy feature, like uplinks being squad only but not really. Yesterday I spent some time as a lone wolf and suddenly saw a pack of reds appear on my TACNET, pulsing from someone else's scan. Run lone most of the time (especially while running experimental fits) and I have never experienced this. Even been beside a teamate using a scanner and not seen the dots he started chasing down Although this may be due to teamate being in a squad and me not. Squad = shared to squad, unsquaded = shared to unsquaded? or it's just really glitchy? I don't know.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 140	Posted - 2013.11.09 23:52:00 - [56] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: Did you test using a basic profile dampener on a medium suit to avoid detection from standard scanners? I know the numbers are supposed to add up. The scan profile should be 45 dB and the scan precision should be 46 dB, but when I tested this for a few days I never managed to avoid a scan. Maybe everyone is using advanced scanners because they have too much CPU/PG.... Running with an advanced scanner is a good choice because to thwart it you either have to be a scout or, have an enhanced and basic dampener fitted to get below the 36bd or 1 complex dampener for assaults and logo's. For an assault or Logi to use more than one dampener is not a good idea. So you will pick up most of the assault guys and all the heavies. just look for errors in the scan that someone may have slipped through and scan again of needed.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 549	Posted - 2014.01.17 07:24:00 - [57] - Quote An alternate test would be Dampening 4 vs basic scanner, i have dampening 4, if you would like my assistance.(i don't know what timezone you guys are though.) Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I have a God, His name is Dakka.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 6	Posted - 2014.01.17 08:44:00 - [58] - Quote nova knifers should be going to shank those officer fit snipers on the hills. do that and ill be greatful! :P Nanite Injectors! Nanite Injectors Everywhere!
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 719	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:23:00 - [59] - Quote Stile451 wrote: Just saw this and thought it was very informative: Shotty GoBang wrote: On Avoiding Meta 8 Scanners: Debugged our earlier maths and progressions. Thanks to Void and Marauder for pointing out my error on stacking percentage bonus. So here's the updated breakdown (by level): Level 5 Scouts: Profile Dampening Lvl(2) + 1 Bsc Dampener = 27.54 dB Level 4 Scouts: Profile Dampening Lvl(3) + 1 Enh Dampener = 27.07 dB Level 3 Scouts: Profile Dampening Lvl(5) + 1 Enh Dampener = 27.54 dB Level 2 Scouts: Profile Dampening Lvl(5) + 1 Cmp Dampener = 27.34 dB Level 1 Scouts: Profile Dampening Lvl(5) + 2 Bsc Dampener = 27.80 dB Light-Frames: Profile Dampening Lvl(3) + 2 Enh Dampener = 27.07 dB * Still awaiting feedback regarding Equivalent Profile/Precision (tie goes to the runner?): https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=106274 Warning! These are super-close to 28 dB, and we still don't know if a tie goes to the runner...can't hurt to put another point into Dampening just to be safe. Observation: It likely makes more long-term sense to skill further into Scout Suits than to max out Profile Dampening. - Shotty 27.54 dB doesn't beat proto scanners - you still get scanned. On my Proto scout alt, I needed Lvl 3 in dampening and one basic dampener, putting me at 26.96dB. I'm unable to test whether 27.34 or 27.07 will beat it, unfortunately, but I'm hoping it rounds to the nearest whole number.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 782	Posted - 2014.02.05 12:13:00 - [60] - Quote I've finally confirmed that Scan profile/precision are rounded to the nearest whole number. On Oceania using two PS3s, I was able to passively detect a medium frame with one complex dampener (33.75dB rounded up to 34dB) using my E-WAR scout with Precision 5 and one Advanced Precision Enhancer (34.43dB rounded down to 34dB).

Somebuddy Immortal Guides 0	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:06:00 - [61] - Quote to beat a proto scan, of course you need a proto scout, and either 2 enhanced dampeners at lvl 3 = 13.05 , or 1 basic 1 enhanced at lvl 4 = 14.4, complex won't pass the focused scan alone at 18
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3341	Posted - 2014.03.20 03:08:00 - [62] - Quote Resurrected from the dead. Guess I'll have to write a new version for 1.8. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 851	Posted - 2014.03.20 19:16:00 - [63] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Resurrected from the dead. Guess I'll have to write a new version for 1.8. Yes, yes you will. Be sure to post as a different thread. I will be sure to check it out when you finish. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!


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