Mobile and objective spawning fundamentally alters game play for the worse by eliminating strategic play.

The current hue and cry over the number of uplinks on the field means people recognize this issue. What many fail to realize is that the number is immaterial. Even one mobile spawn point completely disrupts the game. CCP has also recognized the game breaking nature of objective spawning in its removal from Domination mode.

Teleportation creates an unbreakable supply line to an objective which requires overwhelming force to dislodge. Normal attrition isn't effective as troops are constantly replaced. This in turn cheapens the value of a clone. The average player will be more reckless and opt to bleed out sooner because they can easily and quickly get back in the fight.

It replaces the vehicle transport function. There is no incentive to drive or fly when you can teleport. Once the initial deployment is made vehicular transport is superfluous. Adding a pilot incentive won't help without giving passengers a reason to ride.

It turns the CRU into a second rate spawn point that is frequently left in enemy hands in order to camp for easy kills. A CRU should be a critical asset, not a camping destination.

Drop Uplinks and objective spawning should be removed and CRUs should actually be loaded with a specific number of clones. The current CRU is just another rendering of the drop uplink. Despite the name it doesn't contain any clones, it simply acts as a spawn beacon just like the DU. This makes the ticket nature of clone count obvious which breaks immersion and compromises strategy.

Teams should covet spare clones and fight over CRUs just as hard as over objectives. In the future commanders should consider just where to place them on the battlefield.

i dont see objective spawning as a massive issue...

most ppl will normally spawn on the uplinks surounding the objective and only the objective if nothing else is left to spawn in on....

but im pretty sure that players hate being forced to run every where...


and the go buy lav phrase is pointless because lavs cost isk...

isk that could be used to buy much better things..like a gun..

i dont see objective spawning as a massive issue...

most ppl will normally spawn on the uplinks surounding the objective and only the objective if nothing else is left to spawn in on....

but im pretty sure that players hate being forced to run every where...


and the go buy lav phrase is pointless because lavs cost isk...

isk that could be used to buy much better things..like a gun..



crus r also useless after capturing the surrounding area and i would rather have them destroyed..

we also have the fact that currently still the team with the cru will have an easier time taking an objective...


u can go sneak around to the other side of the map and hack an objective with out worry...

having more crus would just mean it would be just one big nade spam and spawn kill fest....

the cru right now as it is is really just an annoyance factor as far as im concerned...


if some players want to camp an enemy cru and watch ll of the objectives turn red then that provides enough reason on why to destroy them...

the way it is currently its hack the cru first..then hack the objective...if u go for the objective first...then while your trying to hack a random player can spawn on the objective and get a free easy kill...

its one reason for being a problem...

another is that if the enemy team owns the cru and the cru and they clustered up there..they can pretty much hold it for the entire match...

the objective spawning it self isnt really much of a problem...


since by the time u go to spawn onto an objective already being hacked u wont be able to spawn intime..

since most hacks take less than 10 secs..

and most spawns take around 10 secs..

I agree with objective spawn being removed, but DUs and CRUs need to stay. That would make for more interesting matches. All game modes would be benefited.

That being said DUs need a limit of 3 maybe 5 per side (look at how many mercs are per battle), and maybe just 1 or 2 CRUs like right now.
And these two need some sort of request line, to prevent 10 or so players spawn at the same time, in resume put some sort of delay between player 1 and 2, just in these types of spawn.
In addition DUs shouldnGÇÖt be able to be "assembled" near objectives, maybe 50 or more meters.

Mobile and objective spawning fundamentally alters game play for the worse by eliminating strategic play.

The current hue and cry over the number of uplinks on the field means people recognize this issue. What many fail to realize is that the number is immaterial. Even one mobile spawn point completely disrupts the game. CCP has also recognized the game breaking nature of objective spawning in its removal from Domination mode.

Teleportation creates an unbreakable supply line to an objective which requires overwhelming force to dislodge. Normal attrition isn't effective as troops are constantly replaced. This in turn cheapens the value of a clone. The average player will be more reckless and opt to bleed out sooner because they can easily and quickly get back in the fight.

It replaces the vehicle transport function. There is no incentive to drive or fly when you can teleport. Once the initial deployment is made vehicular transport is superfluous. Adding a pilot incentive won't help without giving passengers a reason to ride.

It turns the CRU into a second rate spawn point that is frequently left in enemy hands in order to camp for easy kills. A CRU should be a critical asset, not a camping destination.

Drop Uplinks and objective spawning should be removed and CRUs should actually be loaded with a specific number of clones. The current CRU is just another rendering of the drop uplink. Despite the name it doesn't contain any clones, it simply acts as a spawn beacon just like the DU. This makes the ticket nature of clone count obvious which breaks immersion and compromises strategy.

Teams should covet spare clones and fight over CRUs just as hard as over objectives. In the future commanders should consider just where to place them on the battlefield.

3. Make all classes viable. Scouts need to be viable. Heavies need to be viable. Assaults need to be viable. This way you get less people using Logistics suits, and thus less people will be carrying Uplinks (and other equipment) throughout a match, and the ones that do (Logis) will be extremely valuable to still have in the match.

lol... uplinks and objective spawns are OP now. next target the MCC is OP because you can't hurt it.

Being able to build and control your supply lines IS extremely critical in battle.
That's precisely why you see heavy use of uplinks in PC.

People recognize that importance and come to the forums to complain that they don't like the power of uplinks to shape a battle. They generously "offer" heavy nerfs on uplinks as a solution rather than using existing counters such as flux grenades or requesting additional counter play.

The thing is even a handful of uplinks can have the same effect. Yes fifteen are an impressive display, but only marginally more useful than five. The true utility depends upon he user. The better the team the more it multiplies their power.

The conclusion is that complaints of "uplink spam" are really complaints of mobile spawning in general. They don't want it, or at least they don't want the other team to have it which amounts to the same thing.

forget about upgrading scouts thats not going to happen class changes now are just going to muddy the water.

when a player using the DU is killed his DU explodes ,

after 4 uses the DU explodes .

limit to one DU per fit .

make them fragile to so if four are together and a mass driver round goes off next to them . thats it they explode

problem solved

We know supply lines are important to the battle, don't start your righteous crusade of "they want something changed, therefore they must all be whiny idiots" sit down and listen, drop uplinks shouldn't be so viable as to use them over

a vehicle mcru
a cru
A dropship from neareast spawn point

like the ar it has no drawbacks, its not meant for frontline purposes, its an off grid incursion point to allow a squad a access point without the need of a dropship. But when you can mm use them everywhere and anywhere then there is a problem, its hurting the vehicle use in this game.

Why use a dropship for anything more than a makeshift gunship? No one bothers getting a lift, because its quicker and easier to just spawn in at an adv uplink with a short spawn time. If you want MANAGE and MAINTAIN supply lines you should rely on more than a teleporter.

The uplink is the equivelent to a Sub-Orbital Jump just without the mess, not a barracks!!

I never called them whiny, and I think we are in basic agreement on the issue.

One of my points is that MCRUs, CRUs, and dropships are all rendered obsolete with uplink teleportation.

In it's inception Star Trek writers invented the transporter because the shuttle craft wasn't available for filming. The problem was that the transporter was simply too powerful and would serve as the answer to far too many plot lines. They then had to creatively break it and nerf it to make more stories. I think that's where we are at in DUST.

forget about upgrading scouts thats not going to happen class changes now are just going to muddy the water.

when a player using the DU is killed his DU explodes ,

after 4 uses the DU explodes .

limit to one DU per fit .

make them fragile to so if four are together and a mass driver round goes off next to them . thats it they explode

problem solved

Removing or crippling drop uplinks? Are you out of your minds? It took like a year and a half to get people actually using those damn things. Its not out of control, its working as intended. I have seen the horror of the E3 spawn camping with tanks. That marked me for life to use drop uplinks and prevent redline situations and give me a edge over the enemy.
And changing the spawn timers on advanced-proto uplinks sounds stupid as hell. They allready take very high CPU+PG to fit on a dropsuit. And you forget that the game would slow down drastically if we would remove drop uplinks from the game in combination with removed objective spawns. Seriously do you keep want to walk to the objective after each death? Well i prefer to spend my playtime shoting the enemy, not walking to the objective for 10 minutes.