So your team is redlined and you decide to break the blockade. The enemy's all set up along the border, looking for your teammates who're also trying to break out. You crest a hill and use your height advantage to rain death with your AR/SCR/LR/MD and kill 4 enemies and break free. But **** you! No SP because you were in the redline when you did it. Because you had to be. What were you supposed to do, run through them and then turn around?

Also, you know you can still shoot redline snipers, right? You might not be able to run up and melee them, but you can still shoot them. MCC sniping was fixed.

That my fellow merc was very well said and deserving of an allmighty

+2 !!! as i feel a +1 just would not do it the justice deserved.

[quote=Mayor Maynott]This is becoming ridiculous. There are too many redlline snipers in domination out there getting fat. They really don't help their team at all, just themselves and their kdr. I have seem a 60-2 in a domination before, and he lost. It really does suck the rock paper scissors aspect out it if they keep pounding on you and there isn't anything you can do to get him out of there. And on the opposite side, I hate having them on my team, great or not, because that leaves the team on the ground short. If you have too many guys on your team who fancy themselves snipers you lose. I don't care if they go 20-0 they still can't push on an objective, they still can't counter-hack. I understand you have to have a safe place to start/rally, but in Dom it is broken. How about you make the redline unable to be shot through? How could anyone complain about that? Only those who break the game and hide from being chased down and squashed could ***** at that. Maybe a 1 to 2 minute time limit in the red-zone? How about you kill it altogether and let me go chase that little bastard down without a suicide? Something has to be done cause Dom is a little pit surrounded by snipers. I don't want the sniping role taken out of Dust, it i helpful sometimes, but it has no place in Dom.

This argument is so... so...pointless that I don't know where to begin... Almost everything here said can be twisted around back on basic infantry of every type.
If a sniper actually got 60 kills there is no way his team would have lost. Even a noob team can steamroll the opponents if one guy is killing that much...
"Snipers cannot push on an objective" is an utter crap statement made by someone who knows nothing of actual combat tactics. If the enemy cannot approach an objective, what does it matter if the person shooting is 20 meters or 200 meters away?

"Because they're not playing MY preferred role everyone else is useless!"--- The basic concept behind this ego-centric post. Having no grasp of the flow of battle will tend to do this.

The only thing snipers cannot do is hack points from a distance.
However many people also fail to realize there are plenty of infantry players who never stoop to touching a point, they just kind of hover around it looking for people to shoot. Of course those people are conveniently ignored because they're of the same combat role and they're not as easily singled out for finger pointing when it becomes "convenient".

As for complaining about redline sniping, If you're not willing to learn how to use a sniper rifle to hit people back in the redline (INCREDIBLY EASY TARGETS BTW) then you REALLY DESERVE to get shot every time by those snipers simply because you were too lazy to try and actually get the gear required to deal with the situation.

Again ego-blasters feel it to be somehow blasphemous of their particular weaponistic religion to switch to an alternate weapon scheme as a situation tactically demands. It's laziness at it's highest caliber. You complain on the forums instead of getting a rifle and shooting those sitting ducks right back.

Can we please stop people from playing the game how they want, so I can not have nothing to worry about when running around like a headless chicken in wide open spaces. I do understand that they are LONG RANGE SPECIALISTS but I would prefer my Auto aim AR could hit them with no worries.

This is becoming ridiculous. There are too many redlline snipers in domination out there getting fat. They really don't help their team at all, just themselves and their kdr. I have seem a 60-2 in a domination before, and he lost. It really does suck the rock paper scissors aspect out it if they keep pounding on you and there isn't anything you can do to get him out of there. And on the opposite side, I hate having them on my team, great or not, because that leaves the team on the ground short. If you have too many guys on your team who fancy themselves snipers you lose. I don't care if they go 20-0 they still can't push on an objective, they still can't counter-hack. I understand you have to have a safe place to start/rally, but in Dom it is broken. How about you make the redline unable to be shot through? How could anyone complain about that? Only those who break the game and hide from being chased down and squashed could ***** at that. Maybe a 1 to 2 minute time limit in the red-zone? How about you kill it altogether and let me go chase that little bastard down without a suicide? Something has to be done cause Dom is a little pit surrounded by snipers. I don't want the sniping role taken out of Dust, it i helpful sometimes, but it has no place in Dom.

I'm a sniper, and I love redline snipers. They're sitting ducks and easy to find!

Kincats, a scout suit, a scanner and skills in speed and hacking allow me to clear out an objective, hack it, and sprint back to a safer distance. Then it's easy picking for the redberries that think they can reclaim the objective, especially because I don't show on their scanners. It's save to say I hack on average 4 objects during a domination or skirmish match.

Redline snipers have no good lines of sight and are no asset to the team.

As a Sniper myself, I just have to say WHO GIVES A FLYING *&%@ WHAT YOU THINK BLUEBERRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!! Go get a waaaburger and some french cries. Matter of fact don't they have a chesse and "WHINE" bar by your house!!! HA HA HA!!!! Anyways, who cares what u think.

I think something that seems to be overlooked in this argument is that quite often the best sniping positions fall within the redline. I think you'd find people would still be in those positions if the redline was removed or repositioned. Personally when picking a position, the safety of the redline very rarely comes into the decision

I had to quote this idiot just to preserve the dumbest post ever to disgrace Dust 514's forums.

You really think the greater of two evils is that occasionally a group of guys won't get that extra 50 WP for a minute or two after they've played so poorly they've gotten redlined? At that point the game is basically over already anyway, and hopefully that team will learn to plan ahead a bit better in the future.

And sure, if you happen to have spent weeks skilling specifically into sniping you may be able to countersnipe from your own redline, but it's just as easy for a sniper to slip backwards two steps from the edge just like the tanks do when they get hit.

Fixing an obvious problem with "just do it too" isn't good enough, and has led us to the point we are today where every match has multiple head glitching snipers hiding where only the other redline snipers can even attempt to do anything about them.

The redlines need to be moved back so opponents can reach the areas snipers like to use. Anyone behind the redline shouldn't get ANY SP at all for their actions.

If you can shoot me, but I can't even get to you, that's a problem with basic game mechanics.

I had to quote this idiot just to preserve the dumbest post ever to disgrace Dust 514's forums.

This argument is so... so...pointless that I don't know where to begin... Almost everything here said can be twisted around back on basic infantry of every type.
If a sniper actually got 60 kills there is no way his team would have lost. Even a noob team can steamroll the opponents if one guy is killing that much...
"Snipers cannot push on an objective" is an utter crap statement made by someone who knows nothing of actual combat tactics. If the enemy cannot approach an objective, what does it matter if the person shooting is 20 meters or 200 meters away?

"Because they're not playing MY preferred role everyone else is useless!"--- The basic concept behind this ego-centric post. Having no grasp of the flow of battle will tend to do this.

The only thing snipers cannot do is hack points from a distance.
However many people also fail to realize there are plenty of infantry players who never stoop to touching a point, they just kind of hover around it looking for people to shoot. Of course those people are conveniently ignored because they're of the same combat role and they're not as easily singled out for finger pointing when it becomes "convenient".

As for complaining about redline sniping, If you're not willing to learn how to use a sniper rifle to hit people back in the redline (INCREDIBLY EASY TARGETS BTW) then you REALLY DESERVE to get shot every time by those snipers simply because you were too lazy to try and actually get the gear required to deal with the situation.

Again ego-blasters feel it to be somehow blasphemous of their particular weaponistic religion to switch to an alternate weapon scheme as a situation tactically demands. It's laziness at it's highest caliber. You complain on the forums instead of getting a rifle and shooting those sitting ducks right back.

This is becoming ridiculous. There are too many redlline snipers in domination out there getting fat. They really don't help their team at all, just themselves and their kdr. I have seem a 60-2 in a domination before, and he lost.

This is becoming ridiculous. ... If you have too many guys on your team who fancy themselves snipers you lose. I don't care if they go 20-0 they still can't push on an objective, they still can't counter-hack. ...

And sure, if you happen to have spent weeks skilling specifically into sniping you may be able to countersnipe from your own redline, but it's just as easy for a sniper to slip backwards two steps from the edge just like the tanks do when they get hit.

Fixing an obvious problem with "just do it too" isn't good enough, and has led us to the point we are today where every match has multiple head glitching snipers hiding where only the other redline snipers can even attempt to do anything about them.

its not fixed had a sniper with a thale go 29 and o yesterday from the mcc saw him for the countersnipe at last possible moment fail on me.

What are they supposed to do sit in the mcc and strafe back and forth youre not thinking about anyone but yourself and your dominating cronies get a good sniper in your squad and red line sniping will never be a problem DUH.

The redlines need to be moved back so opponents can reach the areas snipers like to use. Anyone behind the redline shouldn't get ANY SP at all for their actions.

If you can shoot me, but I can't even get to you, that's a problem with basic game mechanics.

A sniper did 60-2 and he lost? HE lost? So, you would consider a sniper to be a worthy asset to a team only if he can solo-win a whole match?
Look mate, if a team had a sniper that did 60-2 in a match, then the last person to blame for losing the match would be that sniper. He definitely did his part of the job. It was you and your "real-men-do-it-up-close-and-personal" buddies who failed.

This isn't becoming ridiculous. You are.

Do you hear that?

Of course you don't. Because its the sound of a sniper laughing way out in the redline.

IN one regard I see your point in the fact that the hypothetical sniper did their job, but in reality they only did half of it.

The issue here is that the pay outs for the public matches are ludicrously low now since the 1.4 update. One has to accrue over 2000 WP in order to make over 250k ISK.

People are redline sniping because they are afraid to loose their precious suits, and that is because protogear, in an al together sort of way, is expensive. The expense is as it should be. This display of aversion to loss by people is what has pushed them into sniping.

This is where the arguments for PVE and player trading would come into play in order to diversify the player base through the diversification of the game modes.

Just saying my .02 ISK