That's funny. :) It is the mouse, if it would be DS3 I would have answered my own request, which to date still nobody has by the way...

For proof you can just refer to 1:27 for example. I don't think you can turn that fast with sticks...

For proof you can just refer to 1:27 for example. I don't think you can turn that fast with sticks...

Or look at when you go to hack the objectives. It shows E instead of O.

And that prove what ? you can use the mouse / keyboard and DS3 at the same time, in fact i do the same myself.

Is not vertical movement in you crosshair, that alone tells me that is not a mouse. Also you strafing as you shooting instead of tracking the target, your reloading and weapon switching is just to fast to be a mouse, is also not continuity in your horizontal aim, and your crosshair is clearly tracking the target as you strafing ( Aim-assist )

How ignorant are you man. It's quite obvious he's using a mouse. If you can't see that then you're either 1. the biggest dumbass on these forums or 2. Trolling.

I don't know what mouse you using, but horizontal aiming without vertical movement is IMPOSSIBLE with a mouse.

Haha, I was just typing about how awful that looked for a mouse when I realized that you were definitely on pad.

If that is a mouse, and you have to strafe aim to beat people, that's a clear indication of poor mouse controls. Nice try.

Poor mouse controls, yes. :) It still works, and I'll leave it to the reader's imagination what "good mouse controls" are going to accomplish at this game.

As for your slant of strafe aiming, that's a bit ignorant. It's by far the most stable method of tracking with a mouse, so you would be silly not to deploy it, whenever your target is cooperative enough to just move in one direction... There is plenty of aim tracking in the video as well.

horizontal aiming without vertical movement is IMPOSSIBLE with a mouse.

Nice troll... that is not a mouse. That is the DS3 with the aim-assist. How stupid you think we are ?

Haha, I was just typing about how awful that looked for a mouse when I realized that you were definitely on pad.

If that is a mouse, and you have to strafe aim to beat people, that's a clear indication of poor mouse controls. Nice try.

Poor mouse controls, yes. :) It still works, and I'll leave it to the reader's imagination what "good mouse controls" are going to accomplish at this game.

As for your slant of strafe aiming, that's a bit ignorant. It's by far the most stable method of tracking with a mouse, so you would be silly not to deploy it, whenever your target is cooperative enough to just move in one direction... There is plenty of aim tracking in the video as well.

Just have a look at how I struggle to move the crosshair on target in this fairly typical match:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjZ1E5oV9yQ (yes, recorded on a toaster)

Clearly mouse controls are completely unusable. Stick users should not get any aim assist whatsoever, and also mouse users should start with extra HP to make up for the imbalance!




Seriously though, I wonder sometimes if I'm playing a different game than all these mouse QQers on the forums, because I have no complaints about the mouse controls whatsoever (all shoddy aiming in the video is solely my own responsibility).

I can only imagine that either their mouse doesn't work well with the game/PS3, they've never been good with a mouse to begin with, or they are confusing the effects of low FPS with bad mouse controls. The latter is admittedly really annoying, and makes accurate aiming close to impossible when it happens, but hopefully it's a temporary problem (PS4 to the rescue?) and it isn't always an issue (hint: avoid the large outposts when possible).


Now, I expect to get a lot of flak for this both from mouse users because I dispute that we got any "disadvantage", and from DS3 users who just generally hate me for using this "crutch". All I can say is that I really appreciate that CCP let's us play a console game with KB/M (I really can't be bothered with gaming PC anymore), but I can't do it in good conscience without speaking out against some of the whiney nonsense that is being spewed out by fellow mousers. Now you can make up your own mind, and I can go back to enjoying the game...

There's plenty of awful aim tracking in this video, followed up by strafe aiming without moving the mouse. Good example? 5:19, fight on the roof. You blow your entire load at the guy while trying to track, then opt to give up aiming all together, and run along with him.

If it is a mouse (it isn't), you should be able to track, which you can't because m/kb has a pretty significant case of input delay. That's the leading cause of the m/kb players (well, the real ones) complaining that its difficult to track.

Good mouse controls are the ones that enable to you aim with your mouse, not forcing you to resort to your keyboard.

I always strafe aim, he just moved so fast that I had to adjust my aim a lot and screwed it up badly. Tracking isn't easy (especially while being shot), but it wasn't the game's fault, it was mine.

I'm not "forced to resort to the keyboard", it's just the most effective way of tracking target, and this includes all the FPS I played competitively on the PC as well (from Quake 2 onwards).

dang, I don't think you even used the gun sights did you? Did you hit this well before the aim assist tweak?

Mouse game-play ;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljUByjCvKT0

Observer the crosshair movement every time this guy shoots.

Trollololollllol

Uhm... The very first kill is ADS, as are most of them really. Why would I use ADS when I'm close enough that the accuracy doesn't matter though? It makes no difference.

1.4 improved my aim quite a bit because I can now use a sensible sensitivity rather than being stuck with super fast hip fire and ridiculously slow ADS. I believe the only ones having difficulties with that change are the ones who haven't adjusted by toning their sensitivity down (drastically).

Had to do exactly this. Took about... 2 games... to get used. Having played various FPS games on the PC for about 15+ years makes accommodating to different controls pretty easy. Yeah it's not as fluid as Counter-Strike, Unreal Tournament, Quake, etc., but still way easier (for me) than using a DS3.

Turn on mouse smoothness and play with the settings, it's the closest I've came to having 1.3 aim

Who is all this people ? so many new names in the forums ...

And for the looks of it the majority are about 12 / 15 years old ? What you done CCP ?

Because you have an aimbot now, that doesn't means that you just became a Pro. That is DS3 game-play, and you clearly using the aim-assist. If anything this video shows how OP DS3 users are, specially when you give them an aimbot to.

Who is all this people ? so many new names in the forums ...

And for the looks of it the majority are about 12 / 15 years old ? What you done CCP ?

Poor mouse controls, yes. :) It still works, and I'll leave it to the reader's imagination what "good mouse controls" are going to accomplish at this game.

As for your slant of strafe aiming, that's a bit ignorant. It's by far the most stable method of tracking with a mouse, so you would be silly not to deploy it, whenever your target is cooperative enough to just move in one direction... There is plenty of aim tracking in the video as well.

there players, same as you. I have no idea who you are btw..

Anyone that steps into a consol fps from the PC world can see its full people who miss lots,. Dual sticks suck, period..

I see vids like this all the time, Its a dime a dozen. still, hats off to him for making it,.

Oh an strifing with the target will free up the mouse for finer aiming to land head shots. I think consol gamers should watch pro's on twitch tv more.

Or you can ask someone who was actually good with the mouse and could aim, me. But ill just use autoaim until they attempt to fix mouse input yet again

I know everything about strafing and mouse adjustments, he nearly fool me with this video... but what is obvious, and is not going to fool any mouse user, is that the crosshair all the way trough the video stays in the same vertical position, that is just not possible with a mouse, is always some vertical movement when you shoot and try to adjust your aim, either up or down, but it doesn't stay in the same position.

Just the fact that he thought he could fool people with that crap is bad enough, but all the "i'm a Pro mouse user" BS is offensive.

What are you saying to this then, is he also playing with a gamepad? I'm sorry to say, but you obviously fall into the "never been good with a mouse" category.

You are welcome to show us. I've given people an idea of what mouse gameplay looks like, so they can make up their own minds. It would be interesting to see somebody like you showcase what proper "autoaim" gameplay looks like.

Words are cheap.

Nice troll... that is not a mouse. That is the DS3 with the aim-assist. How stupid you think we are ?

as a mouse user this is in fact a KB/M, that said this guy is above average with a KB/M and is also running some high end gear.... so take what you will from it I've seen videos from DS3 users that **** just as hard.

0:04 you can't turn that fast with ds3.

You can actually turn faster than that with the DS3, max sensitivity settings. You can with the mouse too, but is not very advisable at the moment, you will literately end up doing a double 360 degrees turn. I nearly punched my the TV when i found out CCP solution for the "Kill Switch".

If you ever end up with a double 360 degrees turn, your sensitivity is insanely high... And that would explain why you are confused by my video. My sensitivity is 38cm/360, which means I have to use more than the entire length of my mouse mat to make one full rotation... That is also why you never see me turn continuously for more than 180 degrees or so at most (and even that is rare), because I always have to pick up the mouse in-between. I made a long post about the benefits of low sense in DUST before.

As for DS3 being able to turn that fast or faster, I am pretty sure that is false. But anybody could easily prove it by making a video of it.

What i do see for certainty is that he has a scanner equiped friend lighting up the targets and he prefires without target aquisition = a whole lot of scrubs dead before they can react.

Sorry, but that is not how you use a mouse. If you going to strafe and shoot is not point on using a mouse. A mouse is "aim and strafe", that is the full point of using one.

First off, I believe the videos shown are probably done with mouse aim and not sixaxis (and I say "sixaxis" because I still have a working pre-DualShock PS3 controller). I won't say definitively that it can't be sixaxis aim, but it looks more likely to be mouse aim from where I'm sitting.

In spite of that, though, I'm going to mention that with max sensitivity and a max-speed turn, sixaxis players CAN turn that fast. Many players don't use max sensitivity, so they can't hit that kind of turn speed instantly, and rarely keep up a high-speed turn long enough for the acceleration to pick them all the way up (and I still want acceleration to be optional).

And if it is possible for mouse turning to be faster than sixaxis, then CCP need to fix it, because that's not a good thing.

I will make a comparison of turning speeds later tonight, I'm curious myself now. Remember that mouse turning speeds got unlocked for 1.4, so I doubt that they will go the other direction now. I personally don't think it would be a good idea to gimp the mouse, as opposed to improving the stick controls. I believe that you can turn much faster in BF3 and COD, but maybe I remember it wrong.

Looking at this though, it looks pretty darn smooth (and fast): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27FDFqaWn1k

Can you play like that with a controller in DUST? If you can, then maybe the gap isn't as large as I thought (with aim assist), but it's still nothing mouse users would have to be scared of.

First off, I believe the videos shown are probably done with mouse aim and not sixaxis (and I say "sixaxis" because I still have a working pre-DualShock PS3 controller). I won't say definitively that it can't be sixaxis aim, but it looks more likely to be mouse aim from where I'm sitting.

In spite of that, though, I'm going to mention that with max sensitivity and a max-speed turn, sixaxis players CAN turn that fast. Many players don't use max sensitivity, so they can't hit that kind of turn speed instantly, and rarely keep up a high-speed turn long enough for the acceleration to pick them all the way up (and I still want acceleration to be optional).

And if it is possible for mouse turning to be faster than sixaxis, then CCP need to fix it, because that's not a good thing.

It isn't possible, the mouse sensitivity jumps from the same as the sixaxis to insane turning speed, and i mean "insane". I tried to set my mouse to the same DPI and sensitivity as Chromosome, and i was doing uncontrollable 360 degrees turns.

Why is this even being discussed.

Mouses are, at a fundamental level, much easier to use in an FPS than analog sticks. This has been true ever since the first FPSs have come out on the consoles. I still don't get why anyone thought it was a good idea to put an FPS on a console in the first place ever.

So anyone using a mouse needs to stop crying about their controls. They need to be balanced, and in order to balance it either the mouse users need to be severely nerfed or controllers need a huge buff.

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Also, there are two advantages to mouse aim:...
2. Precision aim. This is balanced by the sixaxis allowing more precise movement, so if the first point is addressed, things SHOULD be close enough to balanced and people can stop complaining.

Why is this even being discussed.

Mouses are, at a fundamental level, much easier to use in an FPS than analog sticks. This has been true ever since the first FPSs have come out on the consoles. I still don't get why anyone thought it was a good idea to put an FPS on a console in the first place ever.

So anyone using a mouse needs to stop crying about their controls and how much they think they suck. They need to be balanced, and in order to balance it either the mouse users need to be severely nerfed or controllers need a huge buff.

Are you a m/kb user in this particular game? There's a huge bit of input lag, which makes tracking anything that's moving ridiculously difficult. It's precise, but about a half second late, which doesn't help too much.

Why is this even being discussed.

Mouses are, at a fundamental level, much easier to use in an FPS than analog sticks. This has been true ever since the first FPSs have come out on the consoles. I still don't get why anyone thought it was a good idea to put an FPS on a console in the first place ever.

So anyone using a mouse needs to stop crying about their controls and how much they think they suck. They need to be balanced, and in order to balance it either the mouse users need to be severely nerfed or controllers need a huge buff.

your video is great proof of kb/m superiority, however, you will never get the AA QQers to admit this because then they have to admit they are wrong...

remember this community is half full of vets who are just bad at this game, which is embarrassing for them, because with the help of previously bad mechanics they were beating their chest as to how good they are.

not to mention they were using their proto gear as a crutch to further inflate their egos that they had skill...

the truly good players don't really whine because they are good regardless of what CCP has done.

this is why we haven't seen people like cubs make an AA is OP thread

and why other good players like pyrex has back tracked once he got used to it saying AA is fine...

seriously AA QQERS, the vast majority of the community translates your tears into proof youre just bad at dust

cry back to this post if you want QQers, it will bring a smile to my face and give further proof of your lack of skill.

Keep spinning your propaganda DUST university... Comparing Cub's and Pyrex in the same breathe... is funny...

The only crutch that exists in this game is a computer generated aiming and tracking system that requires minimal input to get results from.

You just call yourself out to the people who know better in DUST there was no superiority... And the fact that you need something other then the equipment and guns in this game to stand a chance... show's us who you are.

Dust University continuously bashing their chests telling us who had and has skilll... like dafuq?

Nice troll... that is not a mouse. That is the DS3 with the aim-assist. How stupid you think we are ?

Nice troll... that is not a mouse. That is the DS3 with the aim-assist. How stupid you think we are ?

I use a mouse and am pretty damn sure he is using one too.

All you guys making claims about what a mouse user can or can't do simply haven't played any PC games with good players. Step into a Counter-Strike 1.6 match with me and my former clanmates and you'll see why me going 40-0 against DS3 users is no big feat .

You know, the problem with this community is that is made up by so many eve players. That's good from a certain point of view and bad from another one. The bad point is that many ( many = not everyone ) Eve players never played an fps competitively (some people i know never played an fps at all, but still doing great simply using a kb/m) and at the same time they want to be good in eve universe.
You kb/m users are matching ds3 scores (most of the times) simply because of that. I have a friend, hardcore PC FPS gamer, i let him try Dust and guess what? In the Academy he never died, and the first match out of the Academy in 1.3 was a wonderful 18-3 in starter fit. Starter fit. He only died because he got roadkilled (he didn't rage, strangely), because he shoot at a Large Railgun Installation, and a random Forge hit.
He said that controls were unresponsive and that hip firing and ads were "strange". But still he did 18-3 in a starter fit. Yes, he's pretty good at Fps, but there's really no way you buff a device like that (compared to the other one). I had a terrible headache just looking at how he was playing with my FragFx set in mouse mode sensitivity 80 (if I remember well) , so damn fast, so damn precise.

I use a mouse and am pretty damn sure he is using one too.

All you guys making claims about what a mouse user can or can't do simply haven't played any PC games with good players. Step into a Counter-Strike 1.6 match with me and my former clanmates and you'll see why me going 40-0 against DS3 users is no big feat.

Are you a m/kb user in this particular game? There's a huge bit of input lag, which makes tracking anything that's moving ridiculously difficult. It's precise, but about a half second late, which doesn't help too much.

I will make a comparison of turning speeds later tonight, I'm curious myself now.

Why is this even being discussed.

Mouses are, at a fundamental level, much easier to use in an FPS than analog sticks. This has been true ever since the first FPSs have come out on the consoles. I still don't get why anyone thought it was a good idea to put an FPS on a console in the first place ever.

So anyone using a mouse needs to stop crying about their controls and how much they think they suck. They need to be balanced, and in order to balance it either the mouse users need to be severely nerfed or controllers need a huge buff.

Controllers have their aimbot. Stop whining please.