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Banning Hammer
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Posted - 2013.09.12 20:20:00 -
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Nice troll... that is not a mouse. That is the DS3 with the aim-assist. How stupid you think we are ? |
Banning Hammer
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Posted - 2013.09.12 20:40:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:That's funny. :) It is the mouse, if it would be DS3 I would have answered my own request, which to date still nobody has by the way...
The only thing you video have done is make stop playing. I just realize that is not way i can compete with that ****, and since i refuse to stop using the mouse because i just feel more comfortable with it... i guess is just not playing anymore for me. |
Banning Hammer
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Posted - 2013.09.12 20:46:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:For proof you can just refer to 1:27 for example. I don't think you can turn that fast with sticks...
Is not vertical movement in you crosshair, that alone tells me that is not a mouse. Also you strafing as you shooting instead of tracking the target, your reloading and weapon switching is just to fast to be a mouse, is also not continuity in your horizontal aim, and your crosshair is clearly tracking the target as you strafing ( Aim-assist ) |
Banning Hammer
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Posted - 2013.09.12 20:51:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:For proof you can just refer to 1:27 for example. I don't think you can turn that fast with sticks... Or look at when you go to hack the objectives. It shows E instead of O.
And that prove what ? you can use the mouse / keyboard and DS3 at the same time, in fact i do the same myself. |
Banning Hammer
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Posted - 2013.09.12 20:57:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:For proof you can just refer to 1:27 for example. I don't think you can turn that fast with sticks... Or look at when you go to hack the objectives. It shows E instead of O. And that prove what ? you can use the mouse / keyboard and DS3 at the same time, in fact i do the same myself. How ignorant are you man. It's quite obvious he's using a mouse. If you can't see that then you're either 1. the biggest dumbass on these forums or 2. Trolling.
Is not vertical movement in that video, only horizontal.. and is far to much strafing for a mouse user. I don't know what mouse you using, but horizontal aiming without vertical movement is IMPOSSIBLE with a mouse. |
Banning Hammer
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:11:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:Nemo Bluntz wrote:Haha, I was just typing about how awful that looked for a mouse when I realized that you were definitely on pad.
If that is a mouse, and you have to strafe aim to beat people, that's a clear indication of poor mouse controls. Nice try. Poor mouse controls, yes. :) It still works, and I'll leave it to the reader's imagination what "good mouse controls" are going to accomplish at this game. As for your slant of strafe aiming, that's a bit ignorant. It's by far the most stable method of tracking with a mouse, so you would be silly not to deploy it, whenever your target is cooperative enough to just move in one direction... There is plenty of aim tracking in the video as well.
Mouse game-play ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljUByjCvKT0
Observer the crosshair movement every time this guy shoots.
Trollololollllol |
Banning Hammer
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:27:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:Nemo Bluntz wrote:Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:Nemo Bluntz wrote:Haha, I was just typing about how awful that looked for a mouse when I realized that you were definitely on pad.
If that is a mouse, and you have to strafe aim to beat people, that's a clear indication of poor mouse controls. Nice try. Poor mouse controls, yes. :) It still works, and I'll leave it to the reader's imagination what "good mouse controls" are going to accomplish at this game. As for your slant of strafe aiming, that's a bit ignorant. It's by far the most stable method of tracking with a mouse, so you would be silly not to deploy it, whenever your target is cooperative enough to just move in one direction... There is plenty of aim tracking in the video as well. There's plenty of awful aim tracking in this video, followed up by strafe aiming without moving the mouse. Good example? 5:19, fight on the roof. You blow your entire load at the guy while trying to track, then opt to give up aiming all together, and run along with him. If it is a mouse (it isn't), you should be able to track, which you can't because m/kb has a pretty significant case of input delay. That's the leading cause of the m/kb players (well, the real ones) complaining that its difficult to track. Good mouse controls are the ones that enable to you aim with your mouse, not forcing you to resort to your keyboard. I always strafe aim, he just moved so fast that I had to adjust my aim a lot and screwed it up badly. Tracking isn't easy (especially while being shot), but it wasn't the game's fault, it was mine. I'm not "forced to resort to the keyboard", it's just the most effective way of tracking target, and this includes all the FPS I played competitively on the PC as well (from Quake 2 onwards).
Because you have an aimbot now, that doesn't means that you just became a Pro. That is DS3 game-play, and you clearly using the aim-assist. If anything this video shows how OP DS3 users are, specially when you give them an aimbot to. |
Banning Hammer
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:57:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:ghjl ghjkl wrote:Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:Just have a look at how I struggle to move the crosshair on target in this fairly typical match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjZ1E5oV9yQ (yes, recorded on a toaster) Clearly mouse controls are completely unusable. Stick users should not get any aim assist whatsoever, and also mouse users should start with extra HP to make up for the imbalance! Seriously though, I wonder sometimes if I'm playing a different game than all these mouse QQers on the forums, because I have no complaints about the mouse controls whatsoever (all shoddy aiming in the video is solely my own responsibility). I can only imagine that either their mouse doesn't work well with the game/PS3, they've never been good with a mouse to begin with, or they are confusing the effects of low FPS with bad mouse controls. The latter is admittedly really annoying, and makes accurate aiming close to impossible when it happens, but hopefully it's a temporary problem (PS4 to the rescue?) and it isn't always an issue (hint: avoid the large outposts when possible). Now, I expect to get a lot of flak for this both from mouse users because I dispute that we got any "disadvantage", and from DS3 users who just generally hate me for using this "crutch". All I can say is that I really appreciate that CCP let's us play a console game with KB/M (I really can't be bothered with gaming PC anymore), but I can't do it in good conscience without speaking out against some of the whiney nonsense that is being spewed out by fellow mousers. Now you can make up your own mind, and I can go back to enjoying the game... dang, I don't think you even used the gun sights did you? Did you hit this well before the aim assist tweak? Uhm... The very first kill is ADS, as are most of them really. Why would I use ADS when I'm close enough that the accuracy doesn't matter though? It makes no difference. 1.4 improved my aim quite a bit because I can now use a sensible sensitivity rather than being stuck with super fast hip fire and ridiculously slow ADS. I believe the only ones having difficulties with that change are the ones who haven't adjusted by toning their sensitivity down (drastically). Had to do exactly this. Took about... 2 games... to get used. Having played various FPS games on the PC for about 15+ years makes accommodating to different controls pretty easy. Yeah it's not as fluid as Counter-Strike, Unreal Tournament, Quake, etc., but still way easier (for me) than using a DS3.
Who is all this people ? so many new names in the forums ...
And for the looks of it the majority are about 12 / 15 years old ? What you done CCP ? |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:39:00 -
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Acezero 44 wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Who is all this people ? so many new names in the forums ... And for the looks of it the majority are about 12 / 15 years old ? What you done CCP ? there players, same as you. I have no idea who you are btw.. Anyone that steps into a consol fps from the PC world can see its full people who miss lots,. Dual sticks suck, period.. I see vids like this all the time, Its a dime a dozen. still, hats off to him for making it,. Oh an strifing with the target will free up the mouse for finer aiming to land head shots. I think consol gamers should watch pro's on twitch tv more.
I know everything about strafing and mouse adjustments, he nearly fool me with this video... but what is obvious, and is not going to fool any mouse user, is that the crosshair all the way trough the video stays in the same vertical position, that is just not possible with a mouse, is always some vertical movement when you shoot and try to adjust your aim, either up or down, but it doesn't stay in the same position.
Just the fact that he thought he could fool people with that crap is bad enough, but all the "i'm a Pro mouse user" BS is offensive. |
Banning Hammer
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:32:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Acezero 44 wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Who is all this people ? so many new names in the forums ... And for the looks of it the majority are about 12 / 15 years old ? What you done CCP ? there players, same as you. I have no idea who you are btw.. Anyone that steps into a consol fps from the PC world can see its full people who miss lots,. Dual sticks suck, period.. I see vids like this all the time, Its a dime a dozen. still, hats off to him for making it,. Oh an strifing with the target will free up the mouse for finer aiming to land head shots. I think consol gamers should watch pro's on twitch tv more. I know everything about strafing and mouse adjustments, he nearly fool me with this video... but what is obvious, and is not going to fool any mouse user, is that the crosshair all the way trough the video stays in the same vertical position, that is just not possible with a mouse, is always some vertical movement when you shoot and try to adjust your aim, either up or down, but it doesn't stay in the same position. Just the fact that he thought he could fool people with that crap is bad enough, but all the "i'm a Pro mouse user" BS is offensive. What are you saying to this then, is he also playing with a gamepad?  I'm sorry to say, but you obviously fall into the "never been good with a mouse" category.
I use gamepads in the PC too, not that unusual... in some games can be an advantage. Just set the crosshair to some where around the head area and strafe instead of aim. I use to do that in CS in some of the flat maps, which where nearly everyone... |
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Banning Hammer
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Posted - 2013.09.13 11:18:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Nice troll... that is not a mouse. That is the DS3 with the aim-assist. How stupid you think we are ? 0:04 you can't turn that fast with ds3.
You can actually turn faster than that with the DS3, max sensitivity settings. You can with the mouse too, but is not very advisable at the moment, you will literately end up doing a double 360 degrees turn. I nearly punched my the TV when i found out CCP solution for the "Kill Switch". |
Banning Hammer
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Posted - 2013.09.13 11:50:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Nice troll... that is not a mouse. That is the DS3 with the aim-assist. How stupid you think we are ? 0:04 you can't turn that fast with ds3. You can actually turn faster than that with the DS3, max sensitivity settings. You can with the mouse too, but is not very advisable at the moment, you will literately end up doing a double 360 degrees turn. I nearly punched my the TV when i found out CCP solution for the "Kill Switch". If you ever end up with a double 360 degrees turn, your sensitivity is insanely high... And that would explain why you are confused by my video. My sensitivity is 38cm/360, which means I have to use more than the entire length of my mouse mat to make one full rotation... That is also why you never see me turn continuously for more than 180 degrees or so at most (and even that is rare), because I always have to pick up the mouse in-between. I made a long post about the benefits of low sense in DUST before. As for DS3 being able to turn that fast or faster, I am pretty sure that is false. But anybody could easily prove it by making a video of it.
Sorry, but that is not how you use a mouse. If you going to strafe and shoot is not point on using a mouse. A mouse is "aim and strafe", that is the full point of using one. |
Banning Hammer
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Posted - 2013.09.13 14:56:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:First off, I believe the videos shown are probably done with mouse aim and not sixaxis (and I say "sixaxis" because I still have a working pre-DualShock PS3 controller). I won't say definitively that it can't be sixaxis aim, but it looks more likely to be mouse aim from where I'm sitting.
In spite of that, though, I'm going to mention that with max sensitivity and a max-speed turn, sixaxis players CAN turn that fast. Many players don't use max sensitivity, so they can't hit that kind of turn speed instantly, and rarely keep up a high-speed turn long enough for the acceleration to pick them all the way up (and I still want acceleration to be optional).
And if it is possible for mouse turning to be faster than sixaxis, then CCP need to fix it, because that's not a good thing.
It isn't possible, the mouse sensitivity jumps from the same as the sixaxis to insane turning speed, and i mean "insane". I tried to set my mouse to the same DPI and sensitivity as Chromosome, and i was doing uncontrollable 360 degrees turns. |
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