Then make us harder to kill.

RDVs should be able to fly down and pick them up.

Something seems amiss. Those tankers are so cute, they do this every day. I don't think this was the intent of the Vehicle Recall feature though.

A bunch of tankers will probably say yes, judging by the last thread that called out the flawed Vehicle Recall feature. Many seem to want the blatantly flawed mechanic that helps them, AND get their vehicles buffed.

Some phrase about cake comes to mind...

RDVs should be able to fly down and pick them up.

Let me ask you something. Why do you use AV? Do you use it too kill a tank? Well if so why do you want to kill a tank?

You want to kill the tank because you dont want it around killing infantry. If you make a tank recall its the same as 50 points. I mean that's what your complaining about.

It cracks me up its all about you isn't. Just because you decided you want to kill a tank you guys think you should be the end all for them. lol infantry. booo hooo

A bunch of tankers will probably say yes, judging by the last thread that called out the flawed Vehicle Recall feature. Many seem to want the blatantly flawed mechanic that helps them, AND get their vehicles buffed.

Some phrase about cake comes to mind...

well you can already take a constant assault of max level proto small missiles and then after 5 minutes hop our and recall.

JS. That's not the reason CCP added recall, and they need to review how the mechanic works. Don't balance tanks around being able to put it away the moment you might die after 5 minutes of sustained dps.

Double standards

You can change dropsuits at a depot while under fire.

Well, it's not like we're saying "NO! IT SHOULD STAY AS IS!" I think it's ******* stupid that they just teleport away. I better idea would be the RDV comes down and picks it back up.

Double standards

You can change dropsuits at a depot while under fire.

When you're using AV your best bet to get points is, well, destroying vehicles. You want to remove every pupropse from AV. Because when the tanker recalls his vehicle he can call in a shiny new and undamaged tank. So that thing is not really gone.

RDVs should be able to fly down and pick them up.

Something seems amiss. Those tankers are so cute, they do this every day. I don't think this was the intent of the Vehicle Recall feature though.

When you're using AV your best bet to get points is, well, destroying vehicles. You want to remove every pupropse from AV. Because when the tanker recalls his vehicle he can call in a shiny new and undamaged tank. So that thing is not really gone.

Simple: Must wait 30 seconds to recall vehicle if damage was received.

Congratulations to the guy who didn't die from a barrage of proto missiles while he was recalling, depending on were he is you could probably just kill him recall your DS then hack his tank and bam you have a free tank for the rest of the match. Seriously it is very sad you could not kill the guy recalling, I laugh when people try to recall in a tank battle then I kill them. I do however agree though CCP should make an RDV pick it up and he won't be able to recall if you obstruct its destination and on his screen it will say recall location inaccessible.

Obviously you shouldn't be able to do that either but it's not remotely the same level of problem.

This is being changed in 1.5. The tank recall is not. Your argument is invalid.

It's exactly the same problem. What, you want tanks to move only slightly faster than infantry so we're easier to kill?

What about if the swarm was made so heavy you could only jump like a heavy while you're using it? Or, not jump at all, giving a similar hindrance as the breach forge gun.

Supply depots aren't everywhere, you can recall your vehicle anytime you, anywhere you want.

Then you can recall it with full shields and armour.

If a tank(Or any vehicle) has half of its total EHP gone, it shouldn't be able to be recalled.

Why? Tanks are already mobile coffins in the crosshairs of a good AV player. If you've got one on the ropes and can't finish it off in time, that's your hard luck. The vehicle recall feature isn't gamebreaking. Forcing someone to retreat means that you're winning. Look elsewhere for a money shot.

So if I'm about to finish a gunnlogi's shields, and he hopes out and recalls before I can reload...you know...I'm not gonna even bother.

its a simple and fair balance change...and its already in game, but it only counts your armour...

You're a genius! You just came up with Yet Another way for RDV's to unintentionally/intentionally(?) kill dropship!


Dropship is trying to kill a tank, keeps firing at it and he can recall it recall it anyways? LOL
That was before, NOW not only can he recall it under constant fire of proto small missiles but he can also get an RDV to fly down and crash into you out of nowhere! Or just spawn into you like usual.


Iron Wolf, you really should work for CCP!

Infantry need to go to a Supply Depot to switch out their gear (Which most tankers conveniently blow up). Tankers can recall and then call their vehicle back in wherever. What was that about double standards?

If you want to keep your vehicle recall as is, infantry need to be able to changed their dropsuit wherever as well.

If you were able to push up and capture the depot, we wouldn't have to blow it up. But when the enemy team starts spamming any kind of AV at us, and the team is unable to push up and capture it, then we blow it up.

Infantry need to go to a Supply Depot to switch out their gear (Which most tankers conveniently blow up). Tankers can recall and then call their vehicle back in wherever. What was that about double standards?

If you want to keep your vehicle recall as is, infantry need to be able to changed their dropsuit wherever as well.

funny how you put so much emphasis on how you "need" supply depots, if they were that important to you infantry, then why don't you defend it when the enemy is going for it? every game im in, you just hack it and leave then wonder why we blew it up after it turned red.

Agreed. Tanks should either have to go to a depot for a recall, or have an RDV come and pick up the recalled vehicle.

Swarming a tank that dissolves into thin air before it blows is infuriating.

Good job ignoring the real point. See the thing is you sort of just trapped yourself because the point you tankers were making was INFANTRY GET TO CHANGE AT SUPPLY DEPOTS ZOMG. Well you just said it yourself. We need to capture a supply depot to do that. What do tankers need to do to change their fit? Absolutely nothing. Just pop out and recall.

Now your next point is prolly gonna be "WELL BLUEBERRIES HOP IN MY TANK AND I CAN'T RECAL HURR DURR" and that's a bit besides the point considering 1.5 is in the nearby future and a vehicle lock is probably coming very soon. And since these are just suggestions and CCP has yet to show interest any of these proposed ideas, then if they actually were to take interest it would take months before we saw it's implementation.

Of course I'm not suggesting that every part of a tank should function like infantry dropsuits. Far from it. I'm just pointing out a flawed argument I've seen in this thread and trying to get tankers to calm down and see that the mechanic they are using is broken. I think RDVs should pick up the vehicle, and I see nothing unreasonable about that.

Being shot at by and invisible guy who doesn't even have to aim his gun is infuriating.

Good job ignoring the real point. See the thing is you sort of just trapped yourself because the point you tankers were making was INFANTRY GET TO CHANGE AT SUPPLY DEPOTS ZOMG. Well you just said it yourself. We need to capture a supply depot to do that. What do tankers need to do to change their fit? Absolutely nothing. Just pop out and recall.

Now your next point is prolly gonna be "WELL BLUEBERRIES HOP IN MY TANK AND I CAN'T RECAL HURR DURR" and that's a bit besides the point considering 1.5 is in the nearby future and a vehicle lock is probably coming very soon. And since these are just suggestions and CCP has yet to show interest any of these proposed ideas, then if they actually were to take interest it would take months before we saw it's implementation.

Of course I'm not suggesting that every part of a tank should function like infantry dropsuits. Far from it. I'm just pointing out a flawed argument I've seen in this thread and trying to get tankers to calm down and see that the mechanic they are using is broken. I think RDVs should pick up the vehicle, and I see nothing unreasonable about that.

actually, we cant recall whenever we want, if were taking damage, the recall time gets increased, especially if we get down a fraction of our health.

its a double standard and you cant stand that vehicles have something that allows them to survive and you cant solo it

Hardly flawed. If Infantry wants a Supply Depot they should defend their assets rather than leave it open for me to destroy which I will so I don't have you guys exploiting never ending AV grenades.

Can you guys please think about what you're writing? You are letting bias cloud your thoughts. I was just trying to point out that infantry can't just swap out whenever they want to, they need a supply depot. You also mentioned that tankers often blow those up in self-defense. Thus we can no longer change our fits whenever.

So why can tankers just recall whenever they want? You're talking apples and oranges.

then when your at a supply depot, you shouldnt be able to switch out your dropsuits while your taking damage.

all that needs to change is that an RDV needs to actually come to pick it up physically

Hardly flawed. If Infantry wants a Supply Depot they should defend their assets rather than leave it open for me to destroy which I will so I don't have you guys exploiting never ending AV grenades.

maybe if your aim didn't suck you would actually destroy the tank before it recalled

maybe if your aim didn't suck you would actually destroy the tank before it recalled

Well you see thats thing, you can take damage while your in the menu choosing your new suit, your then invincible while your suit is constructed.

But here is the thing, changing from a medium suit, to another medium suit with at least the same health or above does not repair your suit, it gives you the same health even if your new suit had a higher maximum.

Although by contradiction if you change from 1 suit size to another say medium to a heavy, then you get a suit with all its health back!! Now the simplest way to stop that would be to give the heavy a percentage of health based on the remaining percentage on the medium!!

However, this doesnt stop the fact, that a tank who feels he is loosing will just retreat to the red zone recall it, bring in another completely ignoring the fact that he nearly lost his previous because now he has a brand new shiny one.

So here is what propose, you can keep your magic alien abduction recall, but if you call in another tank with same hull, then the health (and ammo percentage remainig come 1.5) are transposed to the new vechile, et voila tankers get to keep their magic recall, av attempts are no longer completly wasted by a tanker recalling his vechile!!

Sorry to burst your bubble mate but endless grenade by standing on nanohivesor supply depots was fixed 1.3, you get a maximum of 5 grenades from a supply depot, then it just stops giving them to you, even if you change suits!! The base amount are replenished when you switch suits but you should have an infantry squad to capatilise on avers hastily changing suits!!

How about increasing the time to 15 seconds in the meantime? That seems reasonable as far as recalling a vehicle. Much better than the current 5 or whatever it is.

I like everyone ignored my idea, like they just want to argue just to -_-

With 2 people on the Supply Depot that more than enough to end a fleet of vehicles. 2 people would be enough to defend the damn thing too.

Something seems amiss. Those tankers are so cute, they do this every day. I don't think this was the intent of the Vehicle Recall feature though.

Ammo and health of a deployed vehicle =/= ammo and health of a freshly deployed vehicle.

I like everyone ignored my idea, like they just want to argue just to -_-

Does that mean you flew your Incubus today?

happens every time I fly any ship

When you go to a depot, you can switch to a different suit, get full shield and armor back, then go back to the exact same fit you were using with full HP.

It's double standards, and if you don't want us to be able to recall vehicles under fire, then you shouldn't be able to switch dropsuits for 30 seconds after taking fire.

Well, I had a idea on that little part. If you recall a vehicle, you just send it to a holding area. SO, while that vehicle is recalled, any module put on it that is running or in cooldown must finish both processes, and then will be able to be called in. Also, there should be called back in with the same amount of health it was called away with. So, if your left with 300 armor and 900 shields when you called it in, it will have whatever amount of HP it got from the repairers gave it (if it has some on the fit for armor). Would that make you happy?

EDIT: The same would need to happen to dropsuits and SD's as far as a time to switch, and the health.

So what's next. Not letting us recall vehicles if they're in your recticle?

RDV pickup is way to much work to program, recall should only be when the veh is at a friendly supply depo or behind the red line and has not taken any damage in the last few mins or so. Same goes for dropsuit swaps. That or add a significant penalty from recalling anywhere as apposed to the red line or a supply depo.

Just for you

Avoiding everything again? "we cant recall whenever we want" "recall time gets increased" that's contradictory. From what you said I gather you can recall whenever you want it just takes a bit longer. But again that's besides the point.

Answer me this: Why is it so unreasonable that RDVs pick up vehicles when they're being recalled?

Then make us harder to kill.

armor tank properly fit can take 6 proto swarms and survive. thats over 15s of shooting for a single guy. I would say thats plenty tanky, if you cant react in those 15s then tanks are not for you, I would even say that this game is not for you then.

happened plenty of times now in 1.4 for me, was shooting an armor tank that was standing still thinking he should be invicible (like the majority of the tank driver scrubs), then after 6 proto swarm he jumps out and recalls his tank during my reload.

I would also say that if you expect everything to be killed by you alone, this game isn't for you.

I would also say that if you expect everything to be killed by you alone, this game isn't for you.

He should be able to if the tanker sits there, considering the ttk on a tank is god damn high, its a bit of a pee take when he jumps out recalls it, disappears to get a new one, resumes tank mayhem as if it never happened!! I mean come on, what reasonnhave you got to defend other than "suits can do it too" except if a guy does that we blow up his supply depot, then kill him!! And most of the time there is so little health left on the suit a scrambler pistol will finish em off with a chest shot!!

oh the irony... tell that to all the tank drivers which actually except to solo everything

the fact that vehicles are NOT dropsuits and therefore should not be bound by the same properties as dropsuits.

Then that entirely contradicts the arguments of, "a dropsuit can do it, at a supply depot" argument entirely, so now we have eleiminated that why should a tank be able to recall, in the middle of the fieldmso it doesnt blow up, then go and get a new one??

at the moment, vehicles are treated as dropsuits, as long as that's a fact, we should get what we deserve.

plus it still wouldn't be fair for us if you were still able to switch at a supply depot and we have to do something that's 99% impossible just to save our own asses.

full of double standards

Right so, vechiles are treated as dropsuits, therefore a tank should be able to recalled in the middle of the battle, instead of going to a vechile recall point? You know like dropsuits, but because tanks aren't dropsuits and shouldn't be treated as such we should be able to recall tanks where we feel like then run behind a building and get another shiny one dropped off, despite the fact it is the same tank you just recalled?

And your complaining at me for double standards? Either tanks should be treated like dropsuits and you need to go to a designated area to swap your tank, and swapping to a tank exactly the same shouldnt yeild any repairs, OR tanks should be treated differently and have a fair recall system that doesn't completely nullify the effort a guy just put in for the last 5 mins trying to blow you up!!

I see you point on everything but the last paragraph, if your trying to blow me up, im trying to ******* nullify your efforts, why on earth would I just sit there and let you blow up my machine that costs 10x more than your most expensive dropsuit?

if you get pissed off at me recalling when your trying to kill me, then too ******* bad, I dont want my **** blown up and il use whatever is available to survive, if you don't like that, tuff because im NOT going to let you kill me.

when your fighting against a vehicle driver, you not fighting an AI in game that wont use its assets to survive, your fighting another player like yourself that can actually think, and we use whatever we can to survive

on the other topics, RDVs need to physically pick up the vehicles when they are being recalled, but about designated area, no chance, that would be basically saying "no recall system".

also, I see a lot of supply depots on skirmish and domination, how about you go there.

Right yes thats c what I expect you to do, but you effort to save your tank, should consist of hopping out and wait a few secs, while an alien abducts it, people call there tanks back when it is at the verge of destruction, and you can deny its tosh that a tank so close to death magically disappears, and then even more so that you can call the same fitting back in as if it were brand new!!

Dropsuits have to change suit size, like explained earlier which means we can't just select the same fitting, and hey presto, but I think that needs to be changed anyway (but that is a completely different matter), which is akin to you having to callmin a different hull, to reset the health on your prefered tank, recall that, then request your other tank back!!

As for the number of supply depots, you mean all 3 of them??

when were recalling our vehicles, the damage doesn't disappear, if you continuously shoot at it, the recall will be cancelled because of too much damage.

let me give you some advice, since vehicles are being completely reworked (hopefully for the better this time), I suggest you shut up and watch as everything you and I know about vehicles is reduced to nothing and we all have to relearn everything

Now, now, im am merely making a point, against your argument, no need for such brashness!! I know they are getting reworked, I have been saving my sp for the gunship, with the sole purpose of speccing into anti vechile based roles!! Hopfully proto av wont be the only thing that actally make a ganker soil his undies!!

what you should be hoping for is that they make vehicles worth their costs, because if they make them worse than what they are now, then youl have wasted your AV sp for nothing.

Honestly I do hope they make them worth the isk, but somehow what I think that our opnions on that will vary greatly!!

what you should be hoping for is that they make vehicles worth their costs, because if they make them worse than what they are now, then youl have wasted your AV sp for nothing.

the opinions that should matter are those from vehicles pilots, if were ignored anymore, dust will become another call of duty

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No the opinions of everyone should be accounted for the, infantry experience both with and against tanks is a very crucial factor, and I dont think you will like!!

no, vehicle users are the opinions that should matter when dealing with vehicles, (and AV guys), look at it this way, infantry don't use vehicles and they hardly have any knowledge on how to use them, you see this all the time when they steel vehicles and immediately get destroyed, infantry opinions do not matter because they aren't skilled into vehicles.

CCP has ignored vehicle users on this subject and only listened to infantry through the history of the game, and as a result they have to completely redo all the bullshit that they done to them because guess what... vehicle users don't like what infantry has done to them.

You see once again, you appear very narfow minded, I am talking about the interaction between friendly infantry and their tank driving buddies, tanks shouldn't be expected to just be all out war machines, while they should have the option to do so, thete should be major drawbacks to such a role!!

Double standards

You can change dropsuits at a depot while under fire.

there reworking everything, so sit back, and CCP, please listen to vehicle users for once on vehicles, otherwise your just bending over again for the infantry

no, vehicle users are the opinions that should matter when dealing with vehicles, (and AV guys), look at it this way, infantry don't use vehicles and they hardly have any knowledge on how to use them, you see this all the time when they steel vehicles and immediately get destroyed, infantry opinions do not matter because they aren't skilled into vehicles.

CCP has ignored vehicle users on this subject through the history of the game, and as a result they have to completely redo all the bullshit that they done to them.

nobody here is arguing against RDVs physically picking up vehicles, were arguing against keeping vehicles from being recalled.

Being shot at by and invisible guy who doesn't even have to aim his gun is infuriating.