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Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1445
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Posted - 2013.09.08 00:09:00 -
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There is no escaping the wrath of aim assist. Please let us live a little while longer under its deathly gaze. |
Faquira Bleuetta
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
75
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Posted - 2013.09.08 00:15:00 -
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+1 killing heavies is way too easy just aim their big head while strafing. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
248
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Posted - 2013.09.08 00:41:00 -
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I think heavies are fine. I run a heavy suit and i got 506 shields and 803 armour. The only change is mabey make the hmg a little better at mid range. Make it havebetter dispersion or less heat up for the hmg like before it got nerfed in 1.4 |
mini rehak
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
87
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Posted - 2013.09.08 00:52:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:I think heavies are fine. I run a heavy suit and i got 506 shields and 803 armour. The only change is mabey make the hmg a little better at mid range. Make it havebetter dispersion or less heat up for the hmg like before it got nerfed in 1.4
I think the Heavy needs a decent HP buff. I have a Sentinel with 1600 hp and i STILL get soloed when I have the jump on people. I know damn well it's not me things just do crazy DPS. |
Funkmaster Whale
Inner.H3LL
518
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Posted - 2013.09.08 00:53:00 -
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If anyone needs more health it's scouts. |
Callsign Tailsman
BlackList Flight Group
4
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Posted - 2013.09.08 00:54:00 -
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heavies die if you look at them wrong. |
General Erick
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
100
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Posted - 2013.09.08 00:55:00 -
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Heavies are fine the way they are. I don't want any more buffs. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
250
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:01:00 -
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mini rehak wrote:Dexter307 wrote:I think heavies are fine. I run a heavy suit and i got 506 shields and 803 armour. The only change is mabey make the hmg a little better at mid range. Make it havebetter dispersion or less heat up for the hmg like before it got nerfed in 1.4 I think the Heavy needs a decent HP buff. I have a Sentinel with 1600 hp and i STILL get soloed when I have the jump on people. I know damn well it's not me things just do crazy DPS.
Try the hmg, at close range nothing beats a hmg heavy |
J4yne C0bb
DUST University
Ivy League
84
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:01:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:There is no escaping the wrath of aim assist. Please let us live a little while longer under its deathly gaze.
I played my heavy alt last night, after reading all the QQ on the forums, expecting to be annihalated. First match, I went 13 - 5. I only played an hour, so maybe I need to give it some more time, but I'm actually fine with how things are. Seems like I take a bit more damage, but it also seems like I put guys down faster because of the fixes to hit detection in CQC, which is where heavies should be doing most of their fighting anyways.
Time will tell, of course, but as a heavy I'm ok with the update so far.
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castba
Penguin's March
106
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:02:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:If anyone needs more health it's scouts.
No, smaller hit box and more base speed is what scouts need. |
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mini rehak
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
87
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:06:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:mini rehak wrote:Dexter307 wrote:I think heavies are fine. I run a heavy suit and i got 506 shields and 803 armour. The only change is mabey make the hmg a little better at mid range. Make it havebetter dispersion or less heat up for the hmg like before it got nerfed in 1.4 I think the Heavy needs a decent HP buff. I have a Sentinel with 1600 hp and i STILL get soloed when I have the jump on people. I know damn well it's not me things just do crazy DPS. Try the hmg, at close range nothing beats a hmg heavy
I have HMG proficiency to 5. Allot of thing beat the hmg at close range, Shotguns, AR's, mass drivers just to name a few. |
Faquira Bleuetta
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
76
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:09:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:If anyone needs more health it's scouts.
scout need a 12 % boost in sprint and active scanner and invisible cloak device integrated in suit |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
59
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:09:00 -
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The more I think about it the more I think all classes should have a HP buff or an overall weapons Nerf. TTK is too quick for my liking....Lead |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
269
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:10:00 -
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yes but you wont see huge buffs of hp till the gallente heavy with the probably of 1000+armor hp alone |
BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
27
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:10:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:If anyone needs more health it's scouts.
bump |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
3751
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:51:00 -
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J4yne C0bb wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:There is no escaping the wrath of aim assist. Please let us live a little while longer under its deathly gaze. I played my heavy alt last night, after reading all the QQ on the forums, expecting to be annihalated. First match, I went 13 - 5. I only played an hour, so maybe I need to give it some more time, but I'm actually fine with how things are. Seems like I take a bit more damage, but it also seems like I put guys down faster because of the fixes to hit detection in CQC, which is where heavies should be doing most of their fighting anyways. Time will tell, of course, but as a heavy I'm ok with the update so far.
pub games =/= PC games. Playing against noobs you'll never see how strong or weak a class is. If I run with my Duvolle in pubs vs Militia suits and guns, can I say i beasted?
When I see heavies in pubs I run in knowing I can strafe past the horrible HMG dispersion. Which equals low DPS, while my AR won't miss a single shot.
ARs out DPS HMGs... I don't think people realize this yet. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4944
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:53:00 -
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castba wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:If anyone needs more health it's scouts. No, smaller hit box and more base speed is what scouts need.
All hit boxes need to be addressed, strafing caps need to be removed and scouts need their insane 1.0 speed back. More CPU/PG and a second equipment slot would drastically help as well. I'm not even a scout and I'm saying this. |
stcinla
Nihil-Obstat Mercs
General Tso's Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.09.08 01:53:00 -
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I think thay should buff the heavy base armor and shield by 100 it would help alot |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
1522
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Posted - 2013.09.08 02:02:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:J4yne C0bb wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:There is no escaping the wrath of aim assist. Please let us live a little while longer under its deathly gaze. I played my heavy alt last night, after reading all the QQ on the forums, expecting to be annihalated. First match, I went 13 - 5. I only played an hour, so maybe I need to give it some more time, but I'm actually fine with how things are. Seems like I take a bit more damage, but it also seems like I put guys down faster because of the fixes to hit detection in CQC, which is where heavies should be doing most of their fighting anyways. Time will tell, of course, but as a heavy I'm ok with the update so far. pub games =/= PC games. Playing against noobs you'll never see how strong or weak a class is. If I run with my Duvolle in pubs vs Militia suits and guns, can I say i beasted? When I see heavies in pubs I run in knowing I can strafe past the horrible HMG dispersion. Which equals low DPS, while my AR won't miss a single shot. ARs out DPS HMGs... I don't think people realize this yet.
first even scouts in 1.3 couldn't out strafe me w/ an HMG and now they removed the turn speed lock on heavies so yea, BS. ARs out beat HMG in accuracy but not in DPS.
heavies don't need a buff. the aim assist needs a major tone down. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4944
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Posted - 2013.09.08 02:03:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:J4yne C0bb wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:There is no escaping the wrath of aim assist. Please let us live a little while longer under its deathly gaze. I played my heavy alt last night, after reading all the QQ on the forums, expecting to be annihalated. First match, I went 13 - 5. I only played an hour, so maybe I need to give it some more time, but I'm actually fine with how things are. Seems like I take a bit more damage, but it also seems like I put guys down faster because of the fixes to hit detection in CQC, which is where heavies should be doing most of their fighting anyways. Time will tell, of course, but as a heavy I'm ok with the update so far. pub games =/= PC games. Playing against noobs you'll never see how strong or weak a class is. If I run with my Duvolle in pubs vs Militia suits and guns, can I say i beasted? When I see heavies in pubs I run in knowing I can strafe past the horrible HMG dispersion. Which equals low DPS, while my AR won't miss a single shot. ARs out DPS HMGs... I don't think people realize this yet.
SMGs out DPS HMGs too lol. |
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Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege
General Tso's Alliance
213
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Posted - 2013.09.08 02:07:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:If anyone needs more health it's scouts.
If we are to get a buff, it better not be EHP, because that would be boring.
I agree with more EHP for heavies though you might want to possible consider the idea of armor/shield hardeners as heavy exclusive, being that they are close to mini vehicles themselves. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4945
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Posted - 2013.09.08 02:09:00 -
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Also, it's not the heavy suit, it's the damn HMG. If you want to see how the HMG should work, look at the Brutal Doom mod. ADS button controls spool up, but it's loud enough to alert enemies in proximity. If you fire before spooling up, it takes longer for the cross hairs to narrow than if you spooled the weapon up. Add this to Dust with the old overheat skill mechanic and have spooling up affect optimal range and you have a perfectly balanced HMG. Instead, you're pretty much a sitting duck before your cross hairs narrow in this current twitch style of play. |
Halfwings Warbringer
ThislsWhyimhot
32
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Posted - 2013.09.08 02:11:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:There is no escaping the wrath of aim assist. Please let us live a little while longer under its deathly gaze.
if heavy have a heath buff same as scout and assault and logic. heavy that fast but assault and other suit die faster. |
OZAROW
WarRavens
League of Infamy
582
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Posted - 2013.09.08 02:12:00 -
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castba wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:If anyone needs more health it's scouts. No, smaller hit box and more base speed is what scouts need.
More slots, CPU an pg |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
250
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Posted - 2013.09.08 02:23:00 -
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mini rehak wrote:Dexter307 wrote:mini rehak wrote:Dexter307 wrote:I think heavies are fine. I run a heavy suit and i got 506 shields and 803 armour. The only change is mabey make the hmg a little better at mid range. Make it havebetter dispersion or less heat up for the hmg like before it got nerfed in 1.4 I think the Heavy needs a decent HP buff. I have a Sentinel with 1600 hp and i STILL get soloed when I have the jump on people. I know damn well it's not me things just do crazy DPS. Try the hmg, at close range nothing beats a hmg heavy I have HMG proficiency to 5. Allot of thing beat the hmg at close range, Shotguns, AR's, mass drivers just to name a few.
I run it with proficiency 5 and a complex damage mod. The only thing that stands a chance is a shotgun, ARs and MDs dont stand a chance |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1447
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Posted - 2013.09.08 02:51:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:J4yne C0bb wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:There is no escaping the wrath of aim assist. Please let us live a little while longer under its deathly gaze. I played my heavy alt last night, after reading all the QQ on the forums, expecting to be annihalated. First match, I went 13 - 5. I only played an hour, so maybe I need to give it some more time, but I'm actually fine with how things are. Seems like I take a bit more damage, but it also seems like I put guys down faster because of the fixes to hit detection in CQC, which is where heavies should be doing most of their fighting anyways. Time will tell, of course, but as a heavy I'm ok with the update so far. pub games =/= PC games. Playing against noobs you'll never see how strong or weak a class is. If I run with my Duvolle in pubs vs Militia suits and guns, can I say i beasted? When I see heavies in pubs I run in knowing I can strafe past the horrible HMG dispersion. Which equals low DPS, while my AR won't miss a single shot. ARs out DPS HMGs... I don't think people realize this yet.
At the current rate of information acknowledgment, people never will. |
HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles
3586
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Posted - 2013.09.08 02:53:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:J4yne C0bb wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:There is no escaping the wrath of aim assist. Please let us live a little while longer under its deathly gaze. I played my heavy alt last night, after reading all the QQ on the forums, expecting to be annihalated. First match, I went 13 - 5. I only played an hour, so maybe I need to give it some more time, but I'm actually fine with how things are. Seems like I take a bit more damage, but it also seems like I put guys down faster because of the fixes to hit detection in CQC, which is where heavies should be doing most of their fighting anyways. Time will tell, of course, but as a heavy I'm ok with the update so far. pub games =/= PC games. Playing against noobs you'll never see how strong or weak a class is. If I run with my Duvolle in pubs vs Militia suits and guns, can I say i beasted? When I see heavies in pubs I run in knowing I can strafe past the horrible HMG dispersion. Which equals low DPS, while my AR won't miss a single shot. ARs out DPS HMGs... I don't think people realize this yet. At the current rate of information acknowledgment, people never will.
so true at least the noobs are enjoying the easy kills with the AR |
The Terminator T-1000
The Praetorian Legionary
35
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Posted - 2013.09.08 02:55:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:J4yne C0bb wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:There is no escaping the wrath of aim assist. Please let us live a little while longer under its deathly gaze. I played my heavy alt last night, after reading all the QQ on the forums, expecting to be annihalated. First match, I went 13 - 5. I only played an hour, so maybe I need to give it some more time, but I'm actually fine with how things are. Seems like I take a bit more damage, but it also seems like I put guys down faster because of the fixes to hit detection in CQC, which is where heavies should be doing most of their fighting anyways. Time will tell, of course, but as a heavy I'm ok with the update so far. pub games =/= PC games. Playing against noobs you'll never see how strong or weak a class is. If I run with my Duvolle in pubs vs Militia suits and guns, can I say i beasted? When I see heavies in pubs I run in knowing I can strafe past the horrible HMG dispersion. Which equals low DPS, while my AR won't miss a single shot. ARs out DPS HMGs... I don't think people realize this yet. SMGs out DPS HMGs too lol.
That's why I use a heavy with AR and SMG |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1447
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Posted - 2013.09.08 02:57:00 -
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I've become rather fond of the scrambler rifle lately.
Other fat suits are easy enough to hit and it absolutely shreds apart fast moving shield suits.
It can actually kill stuff at range too. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
363
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Posted - 2013.09.08 16:43:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:SMGs out DPS HMGs too lol.
I have 18x salvaged Ishukone SMGs and a fit prepared. Haven't deployed yet in fear that it will break my heart. It's bad enough that sometimes I'll switch from my Boundless to the Toxin SMG for accurate ranged fire. |
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
3753
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Posted - 2013.09.08 16:45:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I've become rather fond of the scrambler rifle lately.
Other fat suits are easy enough to hit and it absolutely shreds apart fast moving shield suits.
It can actually kill stuff at range too.
Yea I've alternating between scramblers and ARs. Not sure which i prefer yet. |
N7 JETI
Hungarian Defense Force
12
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Posted - 2013.09.08 16:56:00 -
[32] - Quote
+1
Heavies need some more starter HP.
Not much,maybe +100 shield and +100 armour. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
2059
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Posted - 2013.09.08 17:00:00 -
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I think its times heavies got that 10% resistance to small arms fire. |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1214
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Posted - 2013.09.08 17:05:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:I think its times heavies got that 10% resistance to small arms fire.
agree |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1438
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Posted - 2013.09.08 17:12:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:There is no escaping the wrath of aim assist. Please let us live a little while longer under its deathly gaze.
Heavies benefit the most from everybody being easier to hit. It's the suits & fittings built to be harder to hit that have really suffered. |
8213
Grade No.2
241
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Posted - 2013.09.08 17:13:00 -
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HMGs have aim assist too. I'm getting mowed down by heavies from over 50m away... |
Eno Raef
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
97
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:07:00 -
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If CCP reduced the number of rounds per magazine and drum, there would be more of a need to play tactical. Now that hit detection and aim assist are working, DPS has risen greatly allowing us to spray 60 - 425 rounds with no worries about running out of ammo. I see no problem with 30 rounds in an AR because of pin point accuracy, 200 in an HMG to keep it a suppressive weapon and because of ROF, and 50 in an SMG to keep it's total damage similar to the AR. Increase the scrambler pistol clip to 10 to put its total damage output similar to ARs and SMGs so players can use it as a primary weapon if they want.
I don't know about sniper rifles. I usually use a shotgun or HMG but it seems to me like there is less sniper activity.
This is an approximation of what I would have liked to see in Dust from the beginning. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
1027
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:12:00 -
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Why not give everyone more HP? these TTKs are way too low in general it's why Regen and Speed tanking suck at the moment. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
1027
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:13:00 -
[39] - Quote
Exmaple Core wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:I think its times heavies got that 10% resistance to small arms fire. agree
Yeah |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
3753
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:20:00 -
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8213 wrote:HMGs have aim assist too. I'm getting mowed down by heavies from over 50m away...
lolno.
You were probably getting hit by an AR and an HMG touched you to finish you off.
If a heavy killed me from 50m out, I'm a terrible player and just stood there and watched him killed me. No heavy is suppose to kill anyone at that range lol. |
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Eno Raef
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
97
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:32:00 -
[41] - Quote
Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:8213 wrote:HMGs have aim assist too. I'm getting mowed down by heavies from over 50m away... lolno. You were probably getting hit by an AR and an HMG touched you to finish you off. If a heavy killed me from 50m out, I'm a terrible player and just stood there and watched him killed me. No heavy is suppose to kill anyone at that range lol.
This happened to me yesterday, I was using my HMG from quite a distance from a severely damaged player, I turned and put just a few rounds in that player to kill them. I imagine they assumed an HMG did all the damage and that my HMG had too much range. |
TheSprayNPray2
Red Star.
EoN.
198
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:41:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:I think heavies are fine. I run a heavy suit and i got 506 shields and 803 armour. The only change is mabey make the hmg a little better at mid range. Make it havebetter dispersion or less heat up for the hmg like before it got nerfed in 1.4
Thats good my friend's assault suit has 503 shield 540 armor  and he has better move speed for strafing |
Purona
The Vanguardians
58
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:43:00 -
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heavys need more hp right now the negatives are stacking against it
right now it can gain a little over twice as much hp as an assault suit and thats about it meanwhile loses
ability to hide
ability to move
ability to jump
and place equipment
and the inability to move and hide is a death sentence currently with all the explosives scanners and aim asist |
Sir Dukey
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
146
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:44:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:There is no escaping the wrath of aim assist. Please let us live a little while longer under its deathly gaze.
you should sign the Aim assist petition |
Crimson Judgment
ROGUE SPADES
EoN.
96
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:51:00 -
[45] - Quote
i would normally say a buff heavy thread is crazy but i played my heavy alt yesterday and got destroyed
(please note though i have proto forge guns basic HMG's and a militia suit because im gimping myself until we get the other heavy suits) but my main problems seemed to be they lowed strafe speed so heavy's are now even slower while strafing
fixed hit detection so their bullets always register
and worst of all aim assist which is self explanatory
the problem is how slow heavy's are how ineffective at range HMG's are and how the enemy pretty much CANNOT miss you
and its worse on most wide open maps because heavy's have no way to close the distance if they had a forge gun why would they want to close the distance
and with an HMG you can't take out the enemy from that far to clear the area to close the distance
but as i said the main problem here is the enemy literally can't miss 
and that's if they hadn't just thrown a grenade at your feet and ran away already |
J4yne C0bb
DUST University
Ivy League
87
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:58:00 -
[46] - Quote
Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:J4yne C0bb wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:There is no escaping the wrath of aim assist. Please let us live a little while longer under its deathly gaze. I played my heavy alt last night, after reading all the QQ on the forums, expecting to be annihalated. First match, I went 13 - 5. I only played an hour, so maybe I need to give it some more time, but I'm actually fine with how things are. Seems like I take a bit more damage, but it also seems like I put guys down faster because of the fixes to hit detection in CQC, which is where heavies should be doing most of their fighting anyways. Time will tell, of course, but as a heavy I'm ok with the update so far. pub games =/= PC games. Playing against noobs you'll never see how strong or weak a class is. If I run with my Duvolle in pubs vs Militia suits and guns, can I say i beasted? When I see heavies in pubs I run in knowing I can strafe past the horrible HMG dispersion. Which equals low DPS, while my AR won't miss a single shot. ARs out DPS HMGs... I don't think people realize this yet.
You make some good points. I'd like to see the dispersion rate go down a bit for the HMG, but not sure how much QQ that would lead to. The dispersion rate diminishes the longer you fire (the circle reticle gets tighter), so it would be nice to see the circle tighten quicker, and a slight boost to the ADS turn speed. That might be enough to give heavies the edge back in CQC.
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General Erick
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
110
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:06:00 -
[47] - Quote
Dexter307 wrote:I think heavies are fine. I run a heavy suit and i got 506 shields and 803 armour. The only change is mabey make the hmg a little better at mid range. Make it havebetter dispersion or less heat up for the hmg like before it got nerfed in 1.4
Exactly my thoughts. |
lrian Locust
DUST University
Ivy League
82
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:22:00 -
[48] - Quote
Only if the proto sniper rifles get a boost. I still need 9 hits and 2 reloads with a proto sniper rifle to down some heavies. |
Faquira Bleuetta
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
80
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Posted - 2013.09.11 07:07:00 -
[49] - Quote
HMG should be good at range 75 m its a projectile weapon after all. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
1566
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Posted - 2013.09.11 07:14:00 -
[50] - Quote
Faquira Bleuetta wrote:HMG should be good at range 75 m its a projectile weapon after all.
HAVs with rail turrets should at least see out 600m but i don't see that happening. |
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Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet
Top Men.
410
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Posted - 2013.09.11 07:19:00 -
[51] - Quote
Heavies have plenty of EHP..
The answer is repairs :) |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1471
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:56:00 -
[52] - Quote
ladwar wrote:Faquira Bleuetta wrote:HMG should be good at range 75 m its a projectile weapon after all. HAVs with rail turrets should at least see out 600m but i don't see that happening.
Well, maybe it should. |
Mejt0
D3LTA ACADEMY
Inver Brass
22
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:44:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Heavies have plenty of EHP..
The answer is repairs :)
First this guy. Heavies are repped by logis and hives then go away.
CCP wont read these non stop qqing. Heavies isnt soo bad. If you get killed by AR you did wrong. Go in lav, drive to your mates and stick to covers. CQC is your role. Giving hp will not help. What do you want? Shoot few clips to kill? |
Chad Michael Murray
The Phoenix Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:40:00 -
[54] - Quote
Focus more on DPS than eHP, don't stand out in the open, try to stay around/in narrow corridors and/or around corners whenever possible.
You'll be fine. |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
512
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:06:00 -
[55] - Quote
who ever said that SMG and AR outdamage HMG, well to keep it short: you are a scrub.
sub 20m nothing outdamages a HMG, it can deal 900 dps. the SMG and AR are not even close to capable of dealing such amounts of dps. that dps obviously comes with drawbacks, namely range and accuracy. you cant really expect to do this dps beyond that range, it would be totally overpowered.
the new buildings helped HMG too. they offer alot of cover and chokepoints. you are simply doing it wrong if you arent able to utilize this |
velos ALKARI
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
121
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:15:00 -
[56] - Quote
Johnny Guilt wrote:yes but you wont see huge buffs of hp till the gallente heavy with the probably of 1000+armor hp alone
I swear...if they release the suits and they **** all over amarr heavy ill raaaaage...unless i get a respec...then caldari shield heavy all the way! |
Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet
Top Men.
411
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:16:00 -
[57] - Quote
Mejt0 wrote:Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Heavies have plenty of EHP..
The answer is repairs :) First this guy. Heavies are repped by logis and hives then go away. CCP wont read these non stop qqing. Heavies isnt soo bad. If you get killed by AR you did wrong. Go in lav, drive to your mates and stick to covers. CQC is your role. Giving hp will not help. What do you want? Shoot few clips to kill?
I find it very hard to take anyone from D3lta Academy seriously, but I'll try..
1) Heavies don't always have Logistics support. Expecting that is unfair, when every other class is self-sustaining.
2) Logistics players don't always play Logistics. Just ask your tryhard corp mates, and the large # of shield-stacking CalLogi's that play just for kills.
3) Heavies have no equipment slots, so cannot deploy armor repairing hives
4) If CQC was our role, the HMG would be vastly superior in damage output to an AR. As it stands, it's only minimally better in CQC.
5) The rest of what you said makes no sense. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
923
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:31:00 -
[58] - Quote
heavies have taken over pc. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
275
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:39:00 -
[59] - Quote
Jack McReady wrote:who ever said that SMG and AR outdamage HMG, well to keep it short: you are a scrub.
sub 20m nothing outdamages a HMG, it can deal 900 dps. the SMG and AR are not even close to capable of dealing such amounts of dps. that dps obviously comes with drawbacks, namely range and accuracy. you cant really expect to do this dps beyond that range, it would be totally overpowered.
the new buildings helped HMG too. they offer alot of cover and chokepoints. you are simply doing it wrong if you arent able to utilize this
That's a lie. The proto HMG does 660 DPS. |
Big Popa Smurff
Ancient Exiles
784
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:45:00 -
[60] - Quote
Nothing has changed with heavies since the introduction of the aim assist. We were always easy to shoot. I do not notice a difference. The suits its really affecting is the light and medium frame users as it renders stafing useless. We already got our hp buff with the change to armor plates. I can't say that I wouldn't appreciate more hp, but I can honestly say that heavies are fine right now. |
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
514
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:47:00 -
[61] - Quote
Dexter307 wrote:Jack McReady wrote:who ever said that SMG and AR outdamage HMG, well to keep it short: you are a scrub.
sub 20m nothing outdamages a HMG, it can deal 900 dps. the SMG and AR are not even close to capable of dealing such amounts of dps. that dps obviously comes with drawbacks, namely range and accuracy. you cant really expect to do this dps beyond that range, it would be totally overpowered.
the new buildings helped HMG too. they offer alot of cover and chokepoints. you are simply doing it wrong if you arent able to utilize this That's a lie. The proto HMG does 660 DPS.
ok, time for a lesson.
19.8 * 1.15 (skills) * ~1.2 (dmg mods) => ~27 damage per shot
with 33.3 rounds per second thats around 900 dps.
I might be wrong thought cause I dont have the possibility to check it right now  |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
275
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:59:00 -
[62] - Quote
Jack McReady wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Jack McReady wrote:who ever said that SMG and AR outdamage HMG, well to keep it short: you are a scrub.
sub 20m nothing outdamages a HMG, it can deal 900 dps. the SMG and AR are not even close to capable of dealing such amounts of dps. that dps obviously comes with drawbacks, namely range and accuracy. you cant really expect to do this dps beyond that range, it would be totally overpowered.
the new buildings helped HMG too. they offer alot of cover and chokepoints. you are simply doing it wrong if you arent able to utilize this That's a lie. The proto HMG does 660 DPS. ok, time for a lesson. 19.8 * 1.15 (skills) * ~1.2 (dmg mods) => ~27 damage per shot with 33.3 rounds per second thats around 900 dps. I might be wrong thought cause I dont have the possibility to check it right now
That's assuming you are going for max dps. The amarr heavy cant even have 2 damage mods. Also there's stacking penaltys |
Lucifalic
Baked n Loaded
92
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:18:00 -
[63] - Quote
Heavy's need a buff. I think resistance (say 35%) to all small arms on BASE armor should be implemented. Trade off is dmg bonus to back attacks. hmg range buff for sure, should fire farther and harder then an ar (hence it being called a heavy mg) at the price of accuracy at range. There's no assault rifles around that fire larger rounds then a general electric minigun for example... At least in rl.
Add some proper dispersion to ar type weapons so spraying doesn't work at range and people have to burst fire it for accuracy (again like rl) and we will reach a better spot with everything.
Disclaimer: I am a scout |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
275
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:24:00 -
[64] - Quote
Lucifalic wrote:Heavy's need a buff. I think resistance (say 35%) to all small arms on BASE armor should be implemented. Trade off is dmg bonus to back attacks. hmg range buff for sure, should fire farther and harder then an ar (hence it being called a heavy mg) at the price of accuracy at range. There's no assault rifles around that fire larger rounds then a general electric minigun for example... At least in rl.
Add some proper dispersion to ar type weapons so spraying doesn't work at range and people have to burst fire it for accuracy (again like rl) and we will reach a better spot with everything.
Disclaimer: I am a scout
I think all we need is the sentinel skill changed to 3% damage resistance per level and a small buff to HMG range and/or spread
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Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
73
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Posted - 2013.09.11 13:42:00 -
[65] - Quote
Dexter307 wrote:Lucifalic wrote:Heavy's need a buff. I think resistance (say 35%) to all small arms on BASE armor should be implemented. Trade off is dmg bonus to back attacks. hmg range buff for sure, should fire farther and harder then an ar (hence it being called a heavy mg) at the price of accuracy at range. There's no assault rifles around that fire larger rounds then a general electric minigun for example... At least in rl.
Add some proper dispersion to ar type weapons so spraying doesn't work at range and people have to burst fire it for accuracy (again like rl) and we will reach a better spot with everything.
Disclaimer: I am a scout I think all we need is the sentinel skill changed to 3% damage resistance per level and a small buff to HMG range and/or spread
sounds good, that Sentinel skill does need changing. |
HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles
3601
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:11:00 -
[66] - Quote
im not sure even more Hp would help we need resistance to small arms fire and grenades |
Mejt0
D3LTA ACADEMY
Inver Brass
22
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Posted - 2013.09.11 22:25:00 -
[67] - Quote
What is worster? Greed or qqing? You use heavy great. And what? You want make it stronger, one man army bec you die by AR? Bec you play this role? All of you are fools. CCP wont read these no sense posts. Heavies are not meant for long combat, fu u want better range? Lol man. Another one complaining about AR wins with him in mid range? Grow up. |
Purona
The Vanguardians
63
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Posted - 2013.09.11 22:30:00 -
[68] - Quote
Dexter307 wrote:Lucifalic wrote:Heavy's need a buff. I think resistance (say 35%) to all small arms on BASE armor should be implemented. Trade off is dmg bonus to back attacks. hmg range buff for sure, should fire farther and harder then an ar (hence it being called a heavy mg) at the price of accuracy at range. There's no assault rifles around that fire larger rounds then a general electric minigun for example... At least in rl.
Add some proper dispersion to ar type weapons so spraying doesn't work at range and people have to burst fire it for accuracy (again like rl) and we will reach a better spot with everything.
Disclaimer: I am a scout I think all we need is the sentinel skill changed to 3% damage resistance per level and a small buff to HMG range and/or spread
i really dont want to put 1.6 million points into a skill tat i wont get full effect out of for another month |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
469
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Posted - 2013.09.11 22:37:00 -
[69] - Quote
Just add shield and armor harderners and call it a day lol. Can't be OP cause its a brief moment of time they have +resistance |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9
184
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Posted - 2013.09.12 03:36:00 -
[70] - Quote
Funny seeing all this wanna be nerds spit out numbers like they are practical. How about taking a look at how they perform? If I am not mistaken, the numbers show that the HMG is more accurate than the AR. LOL. Fuqoutta here, the AR can take down lasers past 90m. Nerf the AR. Then the heavy TTK QQing will be nerfed. |
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Duran Lex
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
260
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Posted - 2013.09.12 03:40:00 -
[71] - Quote
Sorry if i said anything that was repeated.....saw the OP and am commenting on such.
Aim assist has NOTHING to do with Heavies dying.
It's called hit detection.
Hit detection has increased 100x fold, and Heavies have a larger hitbox then ANY other suit....
THATS why we are gimped.
Stop blaming aim assist for **** that it doesn't affect.
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Duran Lex
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
260
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Posted - 2013.09.12 03:41:00 -
[72] - Quote
Purona wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Lucifalic wrote:Heavy's need a buff. I think resistance (say 35%) to all small arms on BASE armor should be implemented. Trade off is dmg bonus to back attacks. hmg range buff for sure, should fire farther and harder then an ar (hence it being called a heavy mg) at the price of accuracy at range. There's no assault rifles around that fire larger rounds then a general electric minigun for example... At least in rl.
Add some proper dispersion to ar type weapons so spraying doesn't work at range and people have to burst fire it for accuracy (again like rl) and we will reach a better spot with everything.
Disclaimer: I am a scout I think all we need is the sentinel skill changed to 3% damage resistance per level and a small buff to HMG range and/or spread i really dont want to put 1.6 million points into a skill tat i wont get full effect out of for another month
Try your entire 12million SP into Heavy suits.
WTF are you complaining about again? |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
891
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Posted - 2013.09.12 03:46:00 -
[73] - Quote
Everything could use a HP buff.
Might bring TTK back down to pre 1.4 levels.
Again, since people can now apply DPS, it seems like weapons are OP. |
AfroSunshineY Consequence
TransLegio
78
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Posted - 2013.09.12 03:48:00 -
[74] - Quote
castba wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:If anyone needs more health it's scouts. No, smaller hit box and more base speed is what scouts need.
And MORE HEALTH. Get out of here with the scouts don't need more health argument. I have 87 shields. 87. 150 Armor. Nd heavies have the nerve to ask for more health when they're rolling around with 500+ shield and armor? GET OUT >>>>>> |
Duran Lex
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
263
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Posted - 2013.09.12 03:51:00 -
[75] - Quote
AfroSunshineY Consequence wrote:castba wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:If anyone needs more health it's scouts. No, smaller hit box and more base speed is what scouts need. And MORE HEALTH. Get out of here with the scouts don't need more health argument. I have 87 shields. 87. 150 Armor. Nd heavies have the nerve to ask for more health when they're rolling around with 500+ shield and armor? GET OUT >>>>>>
.....you didn;t just compare a scout suit to a heavy did you? That would be pretty ******* stupid. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1031
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Posted - 2013.09.12 03:52:00 -
[76] - Quote
Himiko Kuronaga wrote:There is no escaping the wrath of aim assist. Please let us live a little while longer under its deathly gaze.
The problem is not their HP.Is that their only 2 weapons now suck. |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9
185
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Posted - 2013.09.12 03:55:00 -
[77] - Quote
AfroSunshineY Consequence wrote:castba wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:If anyone needs more health it's scouts. No, smaller hit box and more base speed is what scouts need. And MORE HEALTH. Get out of here with the scouts don't need more health argument. I have 87 shields. 87. 150 Armor. Nd heavies have the nerve to ask for more health when they're rolling around with 500+ shield and armor? GET OUT >>>>>>
Scout. Scout suit. I do not understand why I see scout suits as a heavy. Do your job. Assassinate stragglers. Scout. All these greedy scouts with remote explosives QQing because they died before they could press the detonate button. You move plenty fast enough to compensate low HP. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
730
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Posted - 2013.09.12 03:55:00 -
[78] - Quote
Heavies are easy to hit without aim assist. I don't know what changed. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1031
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Posted - 2013.09.12 04:08:00 -
[79] - Quote
RA Drahcir wrote:AfroSunshineY Consequence wrote:castba wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:If anyone needs more health it's scouts. No, smaller hit box and more base speed is what scouts need. And MORE HEALTH. Get out of here with the scouts don't need more health argument. I have 87 shields. 87. 150 Armor. Nd heavies have the nerve to ask for more health when they're rolling around with 500+ shield and armor? GET OUT >>>>>> Scout. Scout suit. I do not understand why I see scout suits as a heavy. Do your job. Assassinate stragglers. Scout. All these greedy scouts with remote explosives QQing because they died before they could press the detonate button. You move plenty fast enough to compensate low HP.
No when autoaim tracks you wherever you go. |
Mejt0
D3LTA ACADEMY
Inver Brass
22
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Posted - 2013.09.12 05:54:00 -
[80] - Quote
Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Heavies have plenty of EHP..
The answer is repairs :) First this guy. Heavies are repped by logis and hives then go away. CCP wont read these non stop qqing. Heavies isnt soo bad. If you get killed by AR you did wrong. Go in lav, drive to your mates and stick to covers. CQC is your role. Giving hp will not help. What do you want? Shoot few clips to kill? I find it very hard to take anyone from D3lta Academy seriously, but I'll try.. 1) Heavies don't always have Logistics support. Expecting that is unfair, when every other class is self-sustaining. 2) Logistics players don't always play Logistics. Just ask your tryhard corp mates, and the large # of shield-stacking CalLogi's that play just for kills. 3) Heavies have no equipment slots, so cannot deploy armor repairing hives 4) If CQC was our role, the HMG would be vastly superior in damage output to an AR. As it stands, it's only minimally better in CQC. 5) The rest of what you said makes no sense.
1. I mostly talk about PC (all pubs are assault logis..). And its good. Heavy isnt mean for lone wolf,or lone surviver. Hes a team weapon.
2. PC
3. But logis have
4. AR with prof and dmg does 50dmg. It have 13rounds per second. Its 2/3 hmg dmg. But maybe you right, 90% will go hs with more dmg.
5.Well this make sense |
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Rogatien Merc
Red Star.
EoN.
1139
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Posted - 2013.09.12 06:19:00 -
[81] - Quote
Himiko Kuronaga wrote:There is no escaping the wrath of aim assist. Please let us live a little while longer under its deathly gaze.
i'm actually noticing that i have a much easier time slaughtering heavies on the newer maps with the wide rolling hills where they have limited cover. this's probably contributing to some of the butthurt.
a lot of what you are experiencing is also "woohoo armor!!! **** shields lets stack damage mods now!!". So yeah... unintended consequences all over the place ... yay. 
Given the way things are rolling in 1.4 I'd be super cool with HP buffs to heavies and additional slots for scouts tbqh. |
Faquira Bleuetta
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
83
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Posted - 2013.09.12 07:01:00 -
[82] - Quote
Chad Michael Murray wrote:Focus more on DPS than eHP, don't stand out in the open, try to stay around/in narrow corridors and/or around corners whenever possible.
You'll be fine.
Nade |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1485
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Posted - 2013.09.12 08:07:00 -
[83] - Quote
And mass driver.... |
Gildart Lightray
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
Public Disorder.
2
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Posted - 2013.09.12 09:18:00 -
[84] - Quote
I recently made a heavy toon to see how I would do using one. I've used it most throughout 1.4 and I have to say I have mixed reviews. Truly I feel that somehow I get out gunned by an AR guy way to quick from 5 meters out but sometimes I just destroy in my hvy built.
I feel like it all about using tactics and getting out of the open. If your a heavy and feel like AR "Scrubs" are killing you way to many times, then don't run in there like rambo and expect to win. Pop your head out of cover, AR guy takes a bit of your shields, since it's 1.4 they don't fear heavies anymore (I know because my main here is AR scrub) , make him lolrun around the corner and blast the poor scrub away.
Also, in a big open map, go sniper hunting  it's fun sneaking up on them in a heavy suit and getting the barrel of the HMG just mere inches from their heads before blasting them away. If played right, hvy's are the ultimate trolls.
But maybe we should also get a small HP buff or a resistance to small arms fire. |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
275
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Posted - 2013.09.12 11:25:00 -
[85] - Quote
Scouts need something, so do heavies. Though I prefer better thought out proposals to just out right HP buffs. Even though I do think scouts really need a HP buff I am open to other ideas.
The heavy on the other hand, how about make it resistant to grenades and explosive damage? or just give it a small but noticeable resistance to any light and sidearm weapon? Make other HMG tear them up however. |
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