Stop crying and play this war game tactically. if you want fast paced trash your on the wrong game. I bet this fool tried to take on a well trained anti armor soldier.

lolwut?
I suppose this is a variation of your usual whinge post, but who's saying they got nerfed?

youl see some threads and posts around

Such as?

I did. Scrub? Nah, at least I ain't in a starter corp. We got 0.3s faster firing, but lost 2 shots per clip. Seems like a nerf to the lone AV'er to me. Used to fire 5 then reload, now it's 3 then a 4.5s reload. Of course it's a slight buff to av teams, but all vehicle pilots always complain about 1 guy killing em.

By the way, I run Pythons, (bad) gunloggi's and scout suits. When I complain about swarm nerf, it's only to correct people, I kinda like it.

The only thread I've seen is a whinge thread claiming that some people are claiming they're underpowered.

They are underpowered ... my proto swarms haven't been able to kill a single proto HAV in ages !

THERE ARE NO ADVANCED OR PROTO TANKS

THERE ARE NO ADVANCED OR PROTO TANKS

THERE ARE NO ADVANCED OR PROTO TANKS

So let me get this right your upset because AV infantry engaged you when you were weak just because you are not on the line doesn't mean your gonna be left alone sounds more like the swarm user was taking an opportunity that presented itself well played imao

BULL ******* ****

my tank just got destroyed by a lone swarmer that shot volleys at twice the speed they used to.

to all you who say they got nerfed..

I say to you.. BULL ******* ****, YOUR JUST A SCRUB

I did. Scrub? Nah, at least I ain't in a starter corp. We got 0.3s faster firing, but lost 2 shots per clip. Seems like a nerf to the lone AV'er to me. Used to fire 5 then reload, now it's 3 then a 4.5s reload. Of course it's a slight buff to av teams, but all vehicle pilots always complain about 1 guy killing em.

By the way, I run Pythons, (bad) gunloggi's and scout suits. When I complain about swarm nerf, it's only to correct people, I kinda like it.

What kind of crap tank does Void echo use?
I shot 8 times in a row a tank and he ran into the horizon with 1/4 HP left?

Or is it his game style?

cuz hes always whining about AV....

I hope CCP never listens to nothing you say.

It now takes 14.7 seconds to shoot 6 times with Swarm (reload included), it used to take 16 seconds to shoot 5.
It would take 12.6 seconds to shoot 6 times if the skill was working.

Do you think it might be possible the skill is not working ... By Design !

Since EVERYONE, AV users included, said the changes weren't wanted until 1.5.

AND (to my knowledge) there's been no comment from CCP that they'll be fixing it.

Chances are that was the easiest way to revert their changes after submission to Sony.

Do you think it might be possible the skill is not working ... By Design !

Since EVERYONE, AV users included, said the changes weren't wanted until 1.5.

AND (to my knowledge) there's been no comment from CCP that they'll be fixing it.

Chances are that was the easiest way to revert their changes after submission to Sony.

So you completely ignored what I said and made yourself look like a complete idiot? Lol.

EDIT: Actually my calculations were a little bit off. The numbers are 14.4, 14 and 12.3.
Still, it is now 14.4 for 6, used to be 14 for 5, and it could be 12.3 for 6 (but it's not).
And if you want more info, it used to be 19.2 or something like that to shoot 6. So yeah, keep crying about the reload time.

BULL ******* ****

my tank just got destroyed by a lone swarmer that shot volleys at twice the speed they used to.

to all you who say they got nerfed..

I say to you.. BULL ******* ****, YOUR JUST A SCRUB

Just Lol.

no, im not upset, im calling bullshit for everyone that says the swarms got nerfed.

BULL ******* ***

my tank just got destroyed by a lone swarmer that shot volleys at twice the speed they used to.

to all you who say they got nerfed..

I say to you.. BULL ******* ****, YOUR JUST A SCRUB

I did. Scrub? Nah, at least I ain't in a starter corp. We got 0.3s faster firing, but lost 2 shots per clip. Seems like a nerf to the lone AV'er to me. Used to fire 5 then reload, now it's 3 then a 4.5s reload. Of course it's a slight buff to av teams, but all vehicle pilots always complain about 1 guy killing em.

By the way, I run Pythons, (bad) gunloggi's and scout suits. When I complain about swarm nerf, it's only to correct people, I kinda like it.

no, im not upset, im calling bullshit for everyone that says the swarms got nerfed.

BULL ******* ****

my tank just got destroyed by a lone swarmer that shot volleys at twice the speed they used to.

to all you who say they got nerfed..

I say to you.. BULL ******* ****, YOUR JUST A SCRUB

If you don't know who Void Echo is, you're the real scrub.

Of course, any random whiny tanker in an NPC corp makes everyone else look like scrubs.

If the other 2 guys didn't make the point clearly enough ...

I HAVE A PROTO TANK !! ... I have complex Armour Plates AND Complex Armour Repairer on my Proto Amarr Logistics suit. -- it's armour TANKED and it's all proto

A HAV IS NOT A TANK

I did. Scrub? Nah, at least I ain't in a starter corp. We got 0.3s faster firing, but lost 2 shots per clip. Seems like a nerf to the lone AV'er to me. Used to fire 5 then reload, now it's 3 then a 4.5s reload. Of course it's a slight buff to av teams, but all vehicle pilots always complain about 1 guy killing em.

By the way, I run Pythons, (bad) gunloggi's and scout suits. When I complain about swarm nerf, it's only to correct people, I kinda like it.

Confirming SL got nerfed into the ground. The faster firing is a myth

If you don't believe me, then take some time to check them yourself. 1.4 lock on time, 0.3 fire interval, 4.5 reload time, 3 round clip vs. 1.2 lock on time, 2 fire interval, 4 reload time, 5 round clip.

tell that to my tank that got killed by a swarm firing twice as fast

BULL ******* ****

my tank just got destroyed by a lone swarmer that shot volleys at twice the speed they used to.

to all you who say they got nerfed..

I say to you.. BULL ******* ****, YOUR JUST A SCRUB

The clip was 6 before 1.4 ... 4 as standard + 10% per level of operation
AND the reload time was 4.5 before 1.4 and is still the same.

Lets look at the full cycle ... This means from beginning first lock to the beginning of the seventh lock, since before 1.4 there was 1 reload and after there are 2 reloads to get to the same point and begin the cycle again.

before 1.4 would be 21.7

and since 1.4 it's now 18.9 - this is while the skill isn't working.

So that's 2.8 seconds difference ... less than half a second per volley average.

The Problem isn't the increase in DPS ... it's the FACT that most vehicles in the game right now can't stand up to much more than the initial three vollies, which now hit much quicker than before.

It's become a Burst variant shall we say giving damage in quicker bursts but with more gaps.

The problem is the same as it's been for quite some time now ... That proto vehicles aren't available to withstand proto AV ... if you want to moan about anything, moan about that !

Your suit HAS tank, it is not A tank.

HAVs are obviously the equivalent of a tank such as a T-90 or a Challenger II or an M1. Your snide remark is not clever. Tankers regularly refer to HAVs as tanks, because they ARE tanks.

I don't call in vehicles that often anymore.... im skilled into gallente assault so im using that, cost effective and I make profit with it.

if I were in charge of the vehicle team, vehicles wouldn't be in the crisis they are now

BULL ******* ****

my tank just got destroyed by a lone swarmer that shot volleys at twice the speed they used to.

to all you who say they got nerfed..

I say to you.. BULL ******* ****, YOUR JUST A SCRUB

*claps*

So you are going to play as a SOLDIER in a FPS!?
nice, i hope you enjoy it.

I hope you never have to fight one 6500+ EHP tank with hardeners and a good tanker that you just cant kill, and keeps spawn klilling you, over and over and over again, and doesnt matter how many times you shoot at him,he regenerates faster than the damage you are dealing....

See you around brave soldier

*salutes*

I dunno what planet you live on but the clip size used to be 3 without operation skill and with operation at 5 the clip size was 5. Don't try to tell me something else as I've been using swarms since beta.

EDIT: In fact your whole post is garbage. Except for the burst part.
EDIT2: I actually dunno what game you are playing since there are no proto vehicles in Dust, and there are STD vehicles than can take almost unlimited beating from proto AV, they are called LLAVs.

LOL you have no idea how wrong you are...

I called in a vehicle so I could get away from the battle and regenerate my armor, the guy drove up in a LAV and started shooting..

again, you have no idea how wrong you are

I know when I should run and when I should fight.

How about an out of date Wikia to prove your point wrong ...
http://dust514.wikia.com/wiki/Swarm_Launchers

Swarms had 4 in the clip since Mordu's Trials ... I don't know what game you've been playing, but if it was this one you haven't been paying attention very well.

It's possible they changed the number in the clip when Uprising came out, I didn't notice since I just skilled them as they've been my primary weapon since part way through E3 after I got bored with my 'I win' Surya button, but I'm sure I had 6 in the clip till now.

I didn't say there were any proto vehicles ... in fact what I said was there aren't any proto vehicles to withstand proto AV ... I didn't say there aren't ANY vehicles that can withstand it ... LLAVs are about where proto HAVs should be, damn difficult to kill solo, but possible with good tactics n a bit of luck.

Calling a vehicle in an area that's not safe? That's on you. The lav soldier caught you with your pants down. Deal with it.

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none of you seem to be able to read, im not complaining about being killed.. im calling bullshit on the people that say swarms got nerfed

none of you seem to be able to read, im not complaining about being killed.. im calling bullshit on the people that say swarms got nerfed

''when im going against a tank and im not driving one, I just leave the battle''

^^^ Yup sounds like you are skilled alright.

No wonder you keep whining vs AV, you dont know what facing a tankfeels like! XD

Void stop trolling, please leave the forums,srsly AHAHHA

none of you seem to be able to read, im not complaining about being killed.. im calling bullshit on the people that say swarms got nerfed

THERE ARE NO ADVANCED OR PROTO TANKS

BULL ******* ****

my tank just got destroyed by a lone swarmer that shot volleys at twice the speed they used to.

to all you who say they got nerfed..

I say to you.. BULL ******* ****, YOUR JUST A SCRUB

dats the joke

Of course, any random whiny tanker in an NPC corp makes everyone else look like scrubs.

It now takes 14.7 seconds to shoot 6 times with Swarm (reload included), it used to take 16 seconds to shoot 5.
It would take 12.6 seconds to shoot 6 times if the skill was working.

I run swarms, easy peasy, Fire of 2 volley's before the 1st one hits, reload. finish them. They were OP and easy 1.3, in 1.4 nothing has changed. Get up high and control the whole field of vehicles, with one 20-30 Aur weapon. Don't need to skill to proto.

The clip was 6 before 1.4 ... 4 as standard + 10% per level of operation
AND the reload time was 4.5 before 1.4 and is still the same.

Lets look at the full cycle ... This means from beginning first lock to the beginning of the seventh lock, since before 1.4 there was 1 reload and after there are 2 reloads to get to the same point and begin the cycle again.

before 1.4 would be 21.7

and since 1.4 it's now 18.9 - this is while the skill isn't working.

So that's 2.8 seconds difference ... less than half a second per volley average.

The Problem isn't the increase in DPS ... it's the FACT that most vehicles in the game right now can't stand up to much more than the initial three vollies, which now hit much quicker than before.

It's become a Burst variant shall we say giving damage in quicker bursts but with more gaps.

The problem is the same as it's been for quite some time now ... That proto vehicles aren't available to withstand proto AV ... if you want to moan about anything, moan about that !

Probably kicking a dead horse with the lateness of the reply, but its better to correct you, just in case. I'm guessing you don't use swarms much, because you overlooked something.

* Swarm Launcher base lock-on time has been increased to 1.4 from 1.2 and its fire interval has been reduced from 2 to 0.3

The fire interval includes the lock on time. So, using the corrected values -

Pre-1.4
In prime conditions, each shot takes 2 seconds.
5 Shots at 2s each = 10s
4.5s reload = 14.5s
1 more = 16.5s
Meaning 16.5 seconds to fire 6 shots.

1.4
In prime conditions, each shot takes 1.4 seconds to fire, with 3 shots in a clip.
3 x 1.4 = 4.2s then a 4.5s reload = 8.7s
3 more shots = 4.2s, so the grand total is 12.9s for 6 shots

Of course a more realistic time in battle is about 16s for each, because the swarms take time to leave the launcher.

*Edited numbers on pre-1.4, in my head I had a magical 6 shot swarm launcher, now its fixed to have 5 in a clip.

*claps*

So you are going to play as a SOLDIER in a FPS!?
nice, i hope you enjoy it.

I hope you never have to fight one 6500+ EHP tank with hardeners and a good tanker that you just cant kill, and keeps spawn klilling you, over and over and over again, and doesnt matter how many times you shoot at him,he regenerates faster than the damage you are dealing....

See you around brave soldier

*salutes*

Where did you leave the lock on time for pre-1.4 stats?

Swarms had a 5 round clip before 1.4 not 6.

Apparently ... "The fire interval includes the lock on time." ... Which puts his post 1.4 number out by a long shot cos the fire interval is now 0.3 seconds and I certainly don't fire swarms 3 times per second.

@Spec Ops Cipher -- The fire interval is the delay after firing that you can't do ANYTHING ... including running, reloading, changing weapons, starting to lock a target, pretty much anything that's not walking. THAT is why it has been reduced, because 2 seconds was far too long to be put out of action every time you launched swarms.

@jin foxdale -- It's not inside knowledge ... it's simple intelligent deduction ... 1.5 is the vehicle balance pass, which means they will be balanced against both AV and infantry. It would be a waste of a months worth of research, development and coding to balance them without A full spectrum of vehicles. In just the same way it would be a waste to put much effort into balancing what we have now, especially since Marauders and Black Ops HAVs have already been on the market in the past. (and to whoever said you've never killed a proto HAV ... depends how long you've been here ... some of us HAVE ! )
Also jin -- yeah just wait till you get the sound bug (which is still around) and your musscle memory doesn't even have a lock tone to help it forget !


I know my memories bad, but I could have sworn I had 6 ... ohh well they must have nerfed swarms at some point then, cos they definately had 4 base in the clip all through beta n there's no mention of it changing in any of the patch notes, must have happened when Uprising dropped, we got the ammo capacity skill then n I just thought 'great more ammo', didn't go into the details of it really.

After the 1.2s locking time, you used to be unable to do stuff for a further 0.8. Now that the fire interval is insignificant there is no more being stuck after firing swarms, you can do anything immediately afterwards.

unless the lock on stays through multiple shots.

You clearly don't use swarms !

Its a possible future variant of swarms

source !?

BULL ******* ****

my tank just got destroyed by a lone swarmer that shot volleys at twice the speed they used to.

to all you who say they got nerfed..

I say to you.. BULL ******* ****, YOUR JUST A SCRUB

BULL ******* ****

my tank just got destroyed by a lone swarmer that shot volleys at twice the speed they used to.

to all you who say they got nerfed..

I say to you.. BULL ******* ****, YOUR JUST A SCRUB