And god willing, we will get that damn AR nerfed, or AA nerfed, pick one (Sorry AScR users you too)

AR -20% total Damage
effective range reduced by 10 m
optimal reduced by 15 m

AScR -10% RoF

could aks you the same question , wy nerf?

and do you mean hit detection?

could aks you the same question , wy nerf?

and do you mean hit detection?

it is already been tested.

They need there ss compensation off first 10% of all high rate of fire weapons that were given damage compensation, then all high rof weapon need about15-20% damage reduction, and ars need worse spread and worse range, and more kick

And god willing, we will get that damn AR nerfed, or AA nerfed, pick one (Sorry AScR users you too)

AR -20% total Damage
effective range reduced by 10 m
optimal reduced by 15 m

AScR -10% RoF

Don't forget the MD. Now you can hit a red dot directly with a MD. It's sad that i ran around with a standard MD on a Dragonfly suit and killed 4 Proto suits. hit detection ftw

Lets nerf every weapon and throw rocks at each other... will that do for you ?

Lets nerf every weapon and throw rocks at each other... will that do for you ?

Will the 10m flight before the grenade engages do you fine?

Lets nerf every weapon and throw rocks at each other... will that do for you ?

If you like a twitch shooter go elsewhere

I think rocks will give Dust 514 a unique dimension... you can have different sides, different colors, different damage types, you can skill into the rocks that you like the most .... of course... eventually we will have to nerf the rocks too, because some of them will be to OP.

But its even easier to dodge, you can see where splash radius is, try it lob round aimed around 50m away and what the light on the floor, no matter how high it goes if its gonna impact the ground it lights up the whole time!

ya seems obvious that aim assist is leading to another ar nerf, maybe even a scrambler rifle nerf.

the auto aimed head shots from the scrambler are brutal, I think I was three shotted while running by them 4 or 5 times yesterday.

True, depends on range...

Hmm. Let me see, there's EXO which is great. Then there is EC3 that has a lot of ammo and a decent ROF. And then the Freedom and the Boundless (ultimate CQC mass murdering weapon)

Hmm. Let me see, there's EXO which is great. Then there is EC3 that has a lot of ammo and a decent ROF. And then the Freedom and the Boundless (ultimate CQC mass murdering weapon)

Try the AR

And god willing, we will get that damn AR nerfed, or AA nerfed, pick one (Sorry AScR users you too)

AR -20% more kick
20& more dispersion
effective range reduced by 10 m
optimal reduced by 15 m

AScR -10% RoF

LR old sight is enough of a nerf

MD- nade will not activate if the target is too close 10m?

Dont start trying to nerf my gun just because Aim Assist is f^cked.

-100

If thats your logic then Scrambler Rifles, Laser Rifles would be in this category too...

AR's were balanced, Aim Assist took the balance away. The fix for this is not to nerf weapons, its to Nerf Aim Assist.

Imagine if we could make use of the terrain when we run out of ammo. I'd like to chug a few rocks and debris at some reds.

First Auto Aim does not work while ADS ing, second if he had to hit you 3 times in the head to kill you, he's doing something wrong...

Go for it.

Just remember actions have consequences. Honestly nerfing the AR will push the last of the competitive players out aka the people who still buy boosters.

Scrubs need to stop crying

Dont start trying to nerf my gun just because Aim Assist is f^cked.

-100

If thats your logic then Scrambler Rifles, Laser Rifles would be in this category too...

AR's were balanced, Aim Assist took the balance away. The fix for this is not to nerf weapons, its to Nerf Aim Assist.

Go for it.

Just remember actions have consequences. Honestly nerfing the AR will push the last of the competitive players out aka the people who still buy boosters.

Scrubs need to stop crying

Go for it.

Just remember actions have consequences. Honestly nerfing the AR will push the last of the competitive players out aka the people who still buy boosters.

Scrubs need to stop crying

Hmmm so a weapon that vastly out DPSes other weapons, but you do have a point, still the nerf doesn't need to be huge.

So do "pros"

Although the definition of pro is rather loosely applied, aim assist isnt as bad as "pros" make it out to be, many are just bitter because they cant do the texan 2 step no more!!

You mean to tell me your happy with the ar in its current state aim assist or not, with out aim assist it still owns every other non hitscan weapon!

LoL the only weapons that have been dominating the last few months were the flaylock and mass drivers...

I said current as in right now, the mass drivers were dominant in 1.3 but many people have left it because better hit detection mean HROF actually shoot stuff now, the stats have always been in HROF's favour, but now the gameplay is aswell and it glaringly obvious, the reason the md dominated was because it consitently dealt damage, which HROF weapons didnt, now they both work we can actually use th e maths as a valid argument!!

This is the problem I see

A lot of developers either choose to have aim assist from the get go, or not to. This can be for one reason or another, but one thing is always considered balance. Aim assist is a HUGE factor in balancing, and what CCP have done is basically stuffed up a lot of the weapon balancing that they've done in the past few months as a result of reintroducing aim assist. IMHO CCP need to make a decision and stick to it. Dust's weapons balancing was done using no aim assist, introducing it has thrown out this balance and as a result some weapons are benefitting immensely. I just hope CCP dont wait the month to fix it, 1 month of this might test my love for this game.

Also if the competitive gamers are going to leave because of a weapon being BALANCED then they silly.

Lets nerf every weapon and throw rocks at each other... will that do for you ?

I think rocks will give Dust 514 a unique dimension... you can have different sides, different colors, different damage types, you can skill into the rocks that you like the most .... of course... eventually we will have to nerf the rocks too, because some of them will be to OP.

another scrub bites the dust

Will the 10m flight before the grenade engages do you fine?

How about we wait a week or two before screaming nerf again. Revolutionary I know!

10m grenade flight requirement is a great idea. This way the MD still works as a ranged suppressive weapon but can't be used as a shotgun. The grenade launcher in MAG was like this and it seemed to work ok.

I think the drastic unbalance of the AR has already pushed out many potential players. Players don't want to be forced to use a particular weapon and a particular play style to remain competitive. When you had all variables in your favor and your aim was true and still got your ass handed to you by an AR, its not very fun.

And the resistance to actually change it just lets you realize that this will most likely never be changed to a reasonable compromise, so you bounce.

If everyone would actually be open minded about making changes to make the game better, you might be able to keep the hope, but that is not going to happen. Combine that with how slow the devs have made progress, and the sheer amount of things to be fixed, I don't think making changes to the AR would matter at all tbh when it comes to player retention, (it may actually even help). If player retention is the argument against balancing a weapon, well you are simply putting off the inevitable. I say this because making one group of players happy at the expense of the other players will eventually chase away the group that is getting screwed, then you will have a slow exodus of the would be kings as they have no more subjects to dominate.

AR's were OP before auto-aim. Auto-aim is essentially like facing a "good" player. The one thing about auto-aim is that it was applied to almost all weapons, not just the AR. Auto-aim simply exposed the discrepancy by forming a baseline where all players can aim like "good" players. Now that "skill" can be taken out of the equation you can actually see balance without the skewed, "this guy was just really good" argument.

And the buff instead of nerf argument does not make sense either. You buff all other weapons you do the same thing as nerfing all drop suits AND the AR, literally the same effect. Drop suits aren't the problem with weapon imbalance, weapons are. Drop suit imbalance is a separate issue. Just nerf the damn AR already. Just try it for a month. The rate at which this game is going you really have nothing to lose at this point, and everything to gain.

But it will not really matter. This topic has been brought up many times and has all the logic and numbers in the world to back it, while the counter-arguments always center around some ambiguous object like skill, player retention, intended roles, real life application, and other things that are subjective, opinionated, or deflective; and nothing will be done as nothing has been done.

I think the drastic unbalance of the AR has already pushed out many potential players. Players don't want to be forced to use a particular weapon and a particular play style to remain competitive. When you had all variables in your favor and your aim was true and still got your ass handed to you by an AR, its not very fun.

And the resistance to actually change it just lets you realize that this will most likely never be changed to a reasonable compromise, so you bounce.

If everyone would actually be open minded about making changes to make the game better, you might be able to keep the hope, but that is not going to happen. Combine that with how slow the devs have made progress, and the sheer amount of things to be fixed, I don't think making changes to the AR would matter at all tbh when it comes to player retention, (it may actually even help). If player retention is the argument against balancing a weapon, well you are simply putting off the inevitable. I say this because making one group of players happy at the expense of the other players will eventually chase away the group that is getting screwed, then you will have a slow exodus of the would be kings as they have no more subjects to dominate.

AR's were OP before auto-aim. Auto-aim is essentially like facing a "good" player. The one thing about auto-aim is that it was applied to almost all weapons, not just the AR. Auto-aim simply exposed the discrepancy by forming a baseline where all players can aim like "good" players. Now that "skill" can be taken out of the equation you can actually see balance without the skewed, "this guy was just really good" argument.

And the buff instead of nerf argument does not make sense either. You buff all other weapons you do the same thing as nerfing all drop suits AND the AR, literally the same effect. Drop suits aren't the problem with weapon imbalance, weapons are. Drop suit imbalance is a separate issue. Just nerf the damn AR already. Just try it for a month. The rate at which this game is going you really have nothing to lose at this point, and everything to gain.

But it will not really matter. This topic has been brought up many times and has all the logic and numbers in the world to back it, while the counter-arguments always center around some ambiguous object like skill, player retention, intended roles, real life application, and other things that are subjective, opinionated, or deflective; and nothing will be done as nothing has been done.

Well its worth pointing out they got a 10% bonus due to botched hit detection, but eben with this it is glaringly obvious, the problem isnt auto aim, not really, its the hit detection, people already had decent aim, its just the ar could miss 50% of shos that actually hit not anymore!!

Agreed, I noticed that in the stats menu yesterday the accuracy was up a bit in the assault rifles.

try it lob round aimed around 50m away and what the light on the floor

Whuut? No comprendes.

Imagine if we could make use of the terrain when we run out of ammo. I'd like to chug a few rocks and debris at some reds.

We cant even pick up ammo off people we kill.... and you want to pick up stones?

In any case, I get killed faster by laser rifles and scrambler rifles then I do AR's.

Soooo.... AR's are not the best weapons out there... just the most common.

Respectfully disagree - GEK's and Duvolles clean up much faster than lasers and scr's - not sure about ascr

I also loathe the "skill" argument when talking about AR (not the tac or burst just auto). Its beyond silly because you use the iron sights and open up the hose. Even a scrub like me can work it.

I just feel cheated because I chose to not skill into the most obvious choice because of the hook of this game (many ways to play) but I just look at my "wasted" SP.

Hoping they drop their range or increase dispersion or something to give them a drawback.

With all these aiming tweaks and hit detection fixes, 90% of your shots hit now compared to like 50% before. The result is weapons like the AR are able to drop people like in twitch shooters. You see someone boom they're dead. The AR definitely needs a bit more dispersion or some kick or something because it is already very accurate without any skills put in. I rarely see weapons other than ARs now. Even Mass Drivers are going down in use.
The thing is now you can put a militia assault rifle on a suit stack some damage mods and go wreck face against anyone and everything, which completely out of whack.

(Sorry AScR users you too)

AScR -10% RoF

Quit asking to nerf everything that kills you. Just because a particular weapon killed you 5 times in one match doesn't mean its op. The person using it probably knows the weapon well enough that he's good at killing with it. Give the laser rifle the old sight? that is by no means a nerf , imo it was actually better than the blue dot sight back in chromosome. I think the 1.3 laser rifle sight is actually better than the current ar sight. As for MD , I always charge the MD. This not only scares the user(sometimes) but it also screws up his aim and he'll probably kill himself from the splash. Once everyone gets used to the new hit detection, things will calm down.

LOLWUT you must be on drugs!

If you over heated an AScR and think that is the weapons disadvantage then wow, It takes a special person to overheat an AScR.

And god willing, we will get that damn AR nerfed, or AA nerfed, pick one (Sorry AScR users you too)

AR -20% more kick
20& more dispersion
effective range reduced by 10 m
optimal reduced by 15 m

AScR -10% RoF

MD- nade will not activate if the target is too close 10m?

Everything else is acceptable.

DONT FAQING TOUCH THE LASER RIFLE!

DONT.

Keep my scrambler rifle out of this. It's a precision weapon and don't even try to claim it has splash damage or is spray and pray.

only the assault variant will be touched, and not by much.

Fine, but seriously leave the standard alone.

Comprimise has been reached!

Really though, I would rather they not mess with the values and tone down the aim assist for the weapons that take the most advantage of it. Literally no weapons had there DPS changed but there's less drama already.

Respectfully disagree - GEK's and Duvolles clean up much faster than lasers and scr's - not sure about ascr

I also loathe the "skill" argument when talking about AR (not the tac or burst just auto). Its beyond silly because you use the iron sights and open up the hose. Even a scrub like me can work it.

I just feel cheated because I chose to not skill into the most obvious choice because of the hook of this game (many ways to play) but I just look at my "wasted" SP.

Hoping they drop their range or increase dispersion or something to give them a drawback.

Hit detection was fixed on direct damage like the AR or AScR