And god willing, we will get that damn AR nerfed, or AA nerfed, pick one (Sorry AScR users you too)

AR -20% total Damage
effective range reduced by 10 m
optimal reduced by 15 m

AScR -10% RoF

could aks you the same question , wy nerf?

and do you mean hit detection?

it is already been tested.

Will the 10m flight before the grenade engages do you fine?

Lets nerf every weapon and throw rocks at each other... will that do for you ?

True, depends on range...

Hmm. Let me see, there's EXO which is great. Then there is EC3 that has a lot of ammo and a decent ROF. And then the Freedom and the Boundless (ultimate CQC mass murdering weapon)

Dont start trying to nerf my gun just because Aim Assist is f^cked.

-100

If thats your logic then Scrambler Rifles, Laser Rifles would be in this category too...

AR's were balanced, Aim Assist took the balance away. The fix for this is not to nerf weapons, its to Nerf Aim Assist.

Go for it.

Just remember actions have consequences. Honestly nerfing the AR will push the last of the competitive players out aka the people who still buy boosters.

Scrubs need to stop crying

Hmmm so a weapon that vastly out DPSes other weapons, but you do have a point, still the nerf doesn't need to be huge.

LoL the only weapons that have been dominating the last few months were the flaylock and mass drivers...

This is the problem I see

A lot of developers either choose to have aim assist from the get go, or not to. This can be for one reason or another, but one thing is always considered balance. Aim assist is a HUGE factor in balancing, and what CCP have done is basically stuffed up a lot of the weapon balancing that they've done in the past few months as a result of reintroducing aim assist. IMHO CCP need to make a decision and stick to it. Dust's weapons balancing was done using no aim assist, introducing it has thrown out this balance and as a result some weapons are benefitting immensely. I just hope CCP dont wait the month to fix it, 1 month of this might test my love for this game.

Also if the competitive gamers are going to leave because of a weapon being BALANCED then they silly.

10m grenade flight requirement is a great idea. This way the MD still works as a ranged suppressive weapon but can't be used as a shotgun. The grenade launcher in MAG was like this and it seemed to work ok.

I think the drastic unbalance of the AR has already pushed out many potential players. Players don't want to be forced to use a particular weapon and a particular play style to remain competitive. When you had all variables in your favor and your aim was true and still got your ass handed to you by an AR, its not very fun.

And the resistance to actually change it just lets you realize that this will most likely never be changed to a reasonable compromise, so you bounce.

If everyone would actually be open minded about making changes to make the game better, you might be able to keep the hope, but that is not going to happen. Combine that with how slow the devs have made progress, and the sheer amount of things to be fixed, I don't think making changes to the AR would matter at all tbh when it comes to player retention, (it may actually even help). If player retention is the argument against balancing a weapon, well you are simply putting off the inevitable. I say this because making one group of players happy at the expense of the other players will eventually chase away the group that is getting screwed, then you will have a slow exodus of the would be kings as they have no more subjects to dominate.

AR's were OP before auto-aim. Auto-aim is essentially like facing a "good" player. The one thing about auto-aim is that it was applied to almost all weapons, not just the AR. Auto-aim simply exposed the discrepancy by forming a baseline where all players can aim like "good" players. Now that "skill" can be taken out of the equation you can actually see balance without the skewed, "this guy was just really good" argument.

And the buff instead of nerf argument does not make sense either. You buff all other weapons you do the same thing as nerfing all drop suits AND the AR, literally the same effect. Drop suits aren't the problem with weapon imbalance, weapons are. Drop suit imbalance is a separate issue. Just nerf the damn AR already. Just try it for a month. The rate at which this game is going you really have nothing to lose at this point, and everything to gain.

But it will not really matter. This topic has been brought up many times and has all the logic and numbers in the world to back it, while the counter-arguments always center around some ambiguous object like skill, player retention, intended roles, real life application, and other things that are subjective, opinionated, or deflective; and nothing will be done as nothing has been done.

Whuut? No comprendes.

With all these aiming tweaks and hit detection fixes, 90% of your shots hit now compared to like 50% before. The result is weapons like the AR are able to drop people like in twitch shooters. You see someone boom they're dead. The AR definitely needs a bit more dispersion or some kick or something because it is already very accurate without any skills put in. I rarely see weapons other than ARs now. Even Mass Drivers are going down in use.
The thing is now you can put a militia assault rifle on a suit stack some damage mods and go wreck face against anyone and everything, which completely out of whack.

Respectfully disagree - GEK's and Duvolles clean up much faster than lasers and scr's - not sure about ascr

I also loathe the "skill" argument when talking about AR (not the tac or burst just auto). Its beyond silly because you use the iron sights and open up the hose. Even a scrub like me can work it.

I just feel cheated because I chose to not skill into the most obvious choice because of the hook of this game (many ways to play) but I just look at my "wasted" SP.

Hoping they drop their range or increase dispersion or something to give them a drawback.

Hit detection was fixed on direct damage like the AR or AScR