arbitrary numbers? you havent seen any of the threads that have posted the freaking math on this?

you people are amazing, vehicles are nerfed into shi.t and you still keep demanding more. either you are just that helpless or you seriously have no business offering up help to CCP. I shudder to think of the QQ that will ensue once 1.5 rolls around and CCP rebalances the entire system.

lol, trust me, i am straining. its like talking to a kid. either come with some legit reasons other than it is inconvenient for you, or take the time to see things from another perspective. What we have is finally on par with infantry and now that we have it, obviously people will qq. changing the recall feature demands a change to the infantry supply depot mechanisms as well, and you can bet THAT wont happen any time soon.

in the meantime, stick to your homing nukes and ill stick to dealing with them.

The tanker didn't retreat. He just hopped out. Furthermore, Swarms can't hit a player, I have no idea where Garrett got that idea. I cannot control the trajectory of swarms, they seek on their own. He didn't 'retreat', he bloody teleported. A recaller can just play merry-go-round until he finishes, and there's nothing AV can do. Swarms have no primary weapon, Forges are too slow, and AV grenades aren't a real AV weapon. If you can teleport out of the middle of battle, you outplayed noone. You abused a broken mechanic.

Also, AV takes no skill? Really? I have no control over the swarms, so I need to ensure I have the clearest, shortest possible shot, and even then they may still decide to spread and swerve into a building with no fault of my own. A Forge Gunner needs to aim and lead a violently shaking, no ADS device. We require as much skill as your beloved HAV does, if not more due to our patented inability to fight off Infantry, which you can flat-out ignore if they don't have one of three weapons.

You can try and bring your tired worn out 'TAKE PITY ON MY USELESS TANK' routine here, but that is not the point of the thread. The point is the abuse of recall as a free pass. You can deny it all you want, you can try to push the Supply Depot infantry standpoint all you want, but there is a key difference. I've already pointed it out. If someone swaps suits while under fire, they are still going to die. If someone teleports their vehicles out of the middle of battle, they are a full health whatever-they-want-to-be whereas the AVer is a guy without a primary weapon. if you cannot see the imbalance, there is nothing I can do, consult an optometrist.

1: Okay, go around the HAV and shoot his ass.

2: Swarms can hit players.

3: Now, if a RDV (after they fix those stupid POS) came and pick it up, would you stop bitchin?

4: I call BS or you got **** skills on the AV is too weak

5: Forges require good aim? Da' fuq' you on?

So an AV scrub is complaining that his swarms were unable to defeat a tank in time even though he can now mag dump the suckers?

Yeah, I don't care.

So do you endorse teleporting out of battle?

Still going on about this huh? So does this mean we vehicle uses should get to use infantry tracking missile turrets when we get ammo count? Fair's fair.

The driver didn't teleport.

He was still around for you to kill. I don't see why you are complaining.

Oh thats right, you wanted to fatten your wallet because your autolocking, target tracking rocket launcher should trump everything.

Go play in traffic.

i direct hit 15 infantry on the ground with a forge gun the other day. and 8 the game after. forge is easy u just suck. XD and swarms are easy to use if u say they actually take skill ur a noob. -_-

i 1 shot milita tanks or 2 if modded and blow up most tanks in 2 clips. better tanks might take more. :D

Yes I'm still going on about this. Teleporting out of battle using a broken system is not 'fair.'

My my, such venom.

My Manually locking, target tracking rocket launcher is not the problem here. It is the teleporting tanks. For that matter, the driver did teleport, out of his tank. I wasn't RIGHT UP ON the tank, and he was hiding behind it. I don't see why I have to reiterate this to every hypersensitive HAV 'pilot' who bothers to come by.

For that matter, I did play in traffic. Then the traffic dissolved into dust and the driver pulled out an Assault Rifle.

The thread isn't about AV power. Please stay on topic.

i'm sorry. if ur av was stronger u could have killed the tank. plus if u were smart u wouldn't use swarms on a shield tank in the first place. and recalling tanks is fine it's the only way i can switch what tank i am using without losing 1 million or 2 especially if there is an enemy rail tank and i am a blaster tank. XD i mean u guys have a way to switch between suit why not tanks XD.

On the far side of the tank, which you cannot shoot under. Furthermore you can move while recalling, similar to hacking. Also, having a Duvolle does not preclude one having a tank. Only idiotic purists would believe such claptrap.

having infinite av nades is a broken system as well. am i wrong? and those damn proto nades wreck tanks even with 3 nades. i normally to die to 6 of those nades.

Speaking of idiotic purists I seem to recall you had 3 grenades. Why didn't you throw them over the vehicle to kill the driver as he was recalling?

It's hilarious Howe many people toting dirt cheap proto AV feel entitled to destroy all vehicles just because they lay eyes on them.
I mean seriously, what's it take to run proto AV and grenades? About 70k. What's a basic tank cost with survival gear? 500k.

At those prices tanks more than deserve multiple venues of escape vs equipment that can devastate them.

I didn't say I wanted recalling gone, I said I wanted it fixed. The tank just disappears off the face of the (whatever planet). If I swap suits and someone is shooting at me they still kill me. I would be fine if the tank could still be killed after a recall took place, like the suggested Bolas pickup. When something crumbles to dust, it is supposed to be dead. Not 'recalled'. Also, the Swarms are the only choice for Light AV, what else am I supposed to use?

Also, instaswapping at supply depots needs to go then. Please enjoy your 5 minute wait while your clone gets changed. Or take a death and do a hotswap to a new clone, enjoy the ten second respawn timer.

Because you want fair right?

I dislike the Grenade Resupply system, but it is not broken. If you wander into an enemy outpost where they have Nanohives set up, it's your funeral. No questions asked, you screwed up. Also, 6 nades is 3 more than a player can carry, and it is proto versus Standard/Militia. Once again though, off topic.

who said anything about wandering into the enemy base they can throw them behind u. or behind a wall. also i know u can only carry 3 nades. it's called a nano hive bro. and they are in proto suits jumping in circles throwing them while i'm activating modules backing up and trying to shoot him all at the same time. then if i get out of range they spam me with swarms. it's not really hard to kill a tank. u just have the wrong tactics.

I wouldn't mind the removal of this feature, but it is off topic. You are attacking infantry because I stated a problem with your beloved HAVs. At least infantry need to retreat to save their suit, not just flick on a hardener and hold a button.

Yes I'm still going on about this. Teleporting out of battle using a broken system is not 'fair.'

plasma cannon which does extra damage to shields. although it's a bit weak as an AV weapon. and what he do just jump out and recall the vehicle in front of all of u? did u just let him do it and not shoot him?i mean u have a sidearm for a reason.

I don't begrudge him calling his tank back, but I wish the mechanic made more sense. Infantry have to retreat to a supply depot, a relatively safe area. Losing the kill would've stung less if he either had to retreat before he recalled, there was a Bolas pickup, or I got damage points like in Ye Olde Days.