Just like ARs should take out vehicles, right?

So you've had someone disappear into the ether while shooting at them I take it?

arbitrary numbers? you havent seen any of the threads that have posted the freaking math on this?

you people are amazing, vehicles are nerfed into shi.t and you still keep demanding more. either you are just that helpless or you seriously have no business offering up help to CCP. I shudder to think of the QQ that will ensue once 1.5 rolls around and CCP rebalances the entire system.

Both are stupid and should be unable to be done whilst under fire.

There should be at least a 5 second timer after taking damage before you can start recalling a vehicle or change dropsuit.

it doesnt dissapear into the ether. it cloaks and a cloaked RDV comes and picks it up. theres even the audio and a timer that makes us wait for another vehicle.

in EVE you cant damage cloaked **** unless you can make it decloak by getting within 3km of the cloaked ship, which in Dust distances would be about the current passive scanning range.

now, say you had an active scanner, it would be pretty sweet if you could make the RDV decloak as it is making the pickup

We are not asking for a big nerf Lurchyboy, we are asking that the recall feature be used as a RECALL FEATURE, not as a get-out-of-screwup-free button. If a tank gets close enough that you can throw packed AV nades at it, it deserves to die, not flick on hardeners (which work while the tank is unmanned, the hell?) and just blow up the tank yourself, but in a way that magically allows you to keep it. The Recall should have a Bolas show up and recall the tank. It should be used to pull the tank back when you no longer need it, not as a bloody TRIAGE SYSTEM.

I would agree with that. I would also agree with being able to still damage the cloaked vehicle, as if it's just cloaked it should still be there to take damage. EVE ships that are cloaked can still be hurt by omnidirectional attacks like bombs or smartbombs, only targeted turrets cannot hit them. My last 'nade would have killed it if that were the case, so I would accept such as a reasonable recall system. Nomatter how you slice it though, the current recall just makes the vehicle dissolve with an audio clip.

if the tanker had a duvolle, then hes not much of a tanker and you should have killed his tank outright. if he has a shield tank, then you had the wrong tool for the job

your not an average tanker with an average amount of sp i take it tho. and is every one of your skills maxed or just enough to get the best mods? i refer to a tanker as someone who maxes out those skills, as an infantry owuld max out assault skills if he was an assautl, not just enough to be competent in it.

any guy can call in a tank, but not too many have a well specced tank

and in the current system infantry also have unrealistic advantages, moreso than tanks. For one, your guns do more damage than my tank turrets and your guns shoot farther than my tank turrets.

1.5 they will be changing all this, and ill be right there with ya molding the shi.t out of it with a lot of these ideas. but right now you are just trying to step on an ant that has already been sprayed with RAID and its freaking annoying because you've already got crutches under both arms, one holding up your di.ck, and a soft cozy bed right behind you should you lose your balance

you see, there is your issue. you assume that just because you can get close to a tank you think you simply deserve to blow it up, because that takes some kind of skill. This also implies that you believe your AT MAX 175k isk suit should be an end all death dealer to someone's million isk tanks. In the end the New Eden universe revolves around money and the risk vs. reward here is stupidly unbalanced. It seems CCP agrees, since you know, 1.5 is all about changing vehicles instead of giving more infantry stuff or more maps

i have sp just to get best mods. i looked into maxing them and the bonus wasn't good enough. i would have prefered to have some infantry skills in case they screw everything up. although i am working on maxing my tank skills now that i have no more infantry skills to get. only need 2 mil sp. :D. well until they release pilot suits. XD

I assume that I can kill an unmanned HAV, yes. Does that make me deluded? That a vehicle with noone in it should die? You are crying foul that the glass cannon paper to the beefy HAVrock cannot kill an unmanned tank. You are bloody AMAZING Lurch.

A tad explicit don't you think? So should we ignore the melee glitch because meleeing as a combat style is weak anyway? Should CCP have ignored the Shotgun bugs they say they're patching tomorrow because the shotty OHKs when it feels like working? Incongruities, whether due to bugs or bad design choices, should not be overlooked. I agree that the small turrets need work, but you need to get the rest of the turret types before we can really say if they are underpowered. The only turrets are the tiny range high DPS and the longass range tiny DPS. And Missiles, which are just kinda there. These are all seperate issues that are only tangentially related to my point. In your blind rush to defend everything Vehicular, you forget to ask yourself 'what does this look like to the other guy?' or 'what if instead of looking at this, they look at the infantry?' What if they decide to give infantry the right to just swap suits whenever because you were so adament about protecting this broken feature?
I don't want recalls gone. I don't want your tank nerfed, in fact I recently fought for them to receive a buff, you were even in that thread. I just want the recall feature to be a recall. If you want cloaking modules, ask CCP for cloaking. If you want Triage mode, prod them for Triage mode. But we NEED the recall feature to be looked at. What if, when Siege Mode and Triage Mode come out we have the same recall system? They will NEVER DIE. People will just flip on their module for the enhanced resistances inherent in the mode, flip on a Hardener for good measure, and recall. You NEED to pick your battles and look at this objectively. It makes no sense for them to just 'poof.'

vehicles disappearing into thin air is pretty lame to be honest !

Edit : Forget the 10 seconds hacking ... just click a button on your wristband and run away ... x seconds later a RDV comes and picks it up and flies off with it.

Considering how bad RDVs are at delivering the vehicles, picking them up would be a bad choice.

i didnt even bother reading that because now you are just using circumstantial "evidence" that isnt even evidence. A glitch is not the same as a working game mechanic. Whether you or i agree about how the recall system should work, it is a system. melee glitching isnt an ingame system for meleeing people

in case you didnt get that last post, there is a different between an exploit and a game mechanic. TAC ARs in their heyday were clearly broken, but they were legit. The old exploit where you could hide in a null cannon isnt legit, just like the melee glitch. (i cant believe people have the balls to glitch in PC)

yeah, well that goes to my point. getting rank 3 of anything doesnt really matter. its 4 and 5 that cost the sp

hard-working AV players .

Just for the record, guys, if you shoot the person doing the recall, that interrupts it and he has to start again.

If you let a tank run away far enough that the driver can get out and recall it while you're shooting, and you don't have time to either kill the tank OR line up some way of hitting the driver, he outplayed you. A properly-aimed close-range swarm volley could hit someone on the opposite side if you're as close as you say you were.

I was within grenade throwing range and he had barely 200 shields when he stopped moving. I did in fact throw all three of my grenades, but his glowing tank ate just enough to survive (I assume shield hardeners?). He hopped out in the middle of nowhere less than 20 meters from me, almost dead, and still had the time to recall. If this happened to you, you'd scream bullshit and you know it. Stop acting the persecuted party HAVs. It doesn't suit you.

or someone who knows what hes talking about. get the stick out of your ass, lighten up, and stop complaining about some guy who recalled his tank in time. Recalling is one of the only things saving tanks in the current build. especially since your swarms now do double the dps

Double the DPS?

Have you used swarms this build?

obv, but he wants it to be easier

the one saving grace tanks have right now is that we can retreat, since we cant just bob in and out from behind a wall like infantry. Apparently, now that is even a problem and we have to just accept that a swarmer is entitled to kill rights on our million isk tanks simply because he has a swarm launcher in his hands.