Double Standard.

Infantry need a supply depot. If tanks needed one, I'd be fine with losing the kill. Or if we had timers on suit swaps, I'd be fine with that too.

Furthermore, you still get a kill when you someone 'hot swaps', and your weapons aren't suddenly useless.

I was within grenade throwing range and he had barely 200 shields when he stopped moving. I did in fact throw all three of my grenades, but his glowing tank ate just enough to survive (I assume shield hardeners?). He hopped out in the middle of nowhere less than 20 meters from me, almost dead, and still had the time to recall. If this happened to you, you'd scream bullshit and you know it. Stop acting the persecuted party HAVs. It doesn't suit you.

I was within grenade throwing range and he had barely 200 shields when he stopped moving. I did in fact throw all three of my grenades, but his glowing tank ate just enough to survive (I assume shield hardeners?). He hopped out in the middle of nowhere less than 20 meters from me, almost dead, and still had the time to recall. If this happened to you, you'd scream bullshit and you know it. Stop acting the persecuted party HAVs. It doesn't suit you.

On the far side of the tank, which you cannot shoot under. Furthermore you can move while recalling, similar to hacking. Also, having a Duvolle does not preclude one having a tank. Only idiotic purists would believe such claptrap.

Sidearm vs Duvolle AR. Guess which wins every time.

I brought this up and literally 90% of the forum was like

NO OMG RECALLING TANKS IN COMBAT IS FINE SHUT YOUR FACE

Any well designed game would cancel the recall when you shoot it...

Mine do Quadruple ... since we're just making up arbitrary multipliers !

So you've had someone disappear into the ether while shooting at them I take it?

We are not asking for a big nerf Lurchyboy, we are asking that the recall feature be used as a RECALL FEATURE, not as a get-out-of-screwup-free button. If a tank gets close enough that you can throw packed AV nades at it, it deserves to die, not flick on hardeners (which work while the tank is unmanned, the hell?) and just blow up the tank yourself, but in a way that magically allows you to keep it. The Recall should have a Bolas show up and recall the tank. It should be used to pull the tank back when you no longer need it, not as a bloody TRIAGE SYSTEM.

A tad explicit don't you think? So should we ignore the melee glitch because meleeing as a combat style is weak anyway? Should CCP have ignored the Shotgun bugs they say they're patching tomorrow because the shotty OHKs when it feels like working? Incongruities, whether due to bugs or bad design choices, should not be overlooked. I agree that the small turrets need work, but you need to get the rest of the turret types before we can really say if they are underpowered. The only turrets are the tiny range high DPS and the longass range tiny DPS. And Missiles, which are just kinda there. These are all seperate issues that are only tangentially related to my point. In your blind rush to defend everything Vehicular, you forget to ask yourself 'what does this look like to the other guy?' or 'what if instead of looking at this, they look at the infantry?' What if they decide to give infantry the right to just swap suits whenever because you were so adament about protecting this broken feature?
I don't want recalls gone. I don't want your tank nerfed, in fact I recently fought for them to receive a buff, you were even in that thread. I just want the recall feature to be a recall. If you want cloaking modules, ask CCP for cloaking. If you want Triage mode, prod them for Triage mode. But we NEED the recall feature to be looked at. What if, when Siege Mode and Triage Mode come out we have the same recall system? They will NEVER DIE. People will just flip on their module for the enhanced resistances inherent in the mode, flip on a Hardener for good measure, and recall. You NEED to pick your battles and look at this objectively. It makes no sense for them to just 'poof.'

Just for the record, guys, if you shoot the person doing the recall, that interrupts it and he has to start again.

If you let a tank run away far enough that the driver can get out and recall it while you're shooting, and you don't have time to either kill the tank OR line up some way of hitting the driver, he outplayed you. A properly-aimed close-range swarm volley could hit someone on the opposite side if you're as close as you say you were.

The tanker didn't retreat. He just hopped out. Furthermore, Swarms can't hit a player, I have no idea where Garrett got that idea. I cannot control the trajectory of swarms, they seek on their own. He didn't 'retreat', he bloody teleported. A recaller can just play merry-go-round until he finishes, and there's nothing AV can do. Swarms have no primary weapon, Forges are too slow, and AV grenades aren't a real AV weapon. If you can teleport out of the middle of battle, you outplayed noone. You abused a broken mechanic.

Also, AV takes no skill? Really? I have no control over the swarms, so I need to ensure I have the clearest, shortest possible shot, and even then they may still decide to spread and swerve into a building with no fault of my own. A Forge Gunner needs to aim and lead a violently shaking, no ADS device. We require as much skill as your beloved HAV does, if not more due to our patented inability to fight off Infantry, which you can flat-out ignore if they don't have one of three weapons.

You can try and bring your tired worn out 'TAKE PITY ON MY USELESS TANK' routine here, but that is not the point of the thread. The point is the abuse of recall as a free pass. You can deny it all you want, you can try to push the Supply Depot infantry standpoint all you want, but there is a key difference. I've already pointed it out. If someone swaps suits while under fire, they are still going to die. If someone teleports their vehicles out of the middle of battle, they are a full health whatever-they-want-to-be whereas the AVer is a guy without a primary weapon. if you cannot see the imbalance, there is nothing I can do, consult an optometrist.

So do you endorse teleporting out of battle?

The thread isn't about AV power. Please stay on topic.

Yes I'm still going on about this. Teleporting out of battle using a broken system is not 'fair.'

On the far side of the tank, which you cannot shoot under. Furthermore you can move while recalling, similar to hacking. Also, having a Duvolle does not preclude one having a tank. Only idiotic purists would believe such claptrap.

I dislike the Grenade Resupply system, but it is not broken. If you wander into an enemy outpost where they have Nanohives set up, it's your funeral. No questions asked, you screwed up. Also, 6 nades is 3 more than a player can carry, and it is proto versus Standard/Militia. Once again though, off topic.

I didn't say I wanted recalling gone, I said I wanted it fixed. The tank just disappears off the face of the (whatever planet). If I swap suits and someone is shooting at me they still kill me. I would be fine if the tank could still be killed after a recall took place, like the suggested Bolas pickup. When something crumbles to dust, it is supposed to be dead. Not 'recalled'. Also, the Swarms are the only choice for Light AV, what else am I supposed to use?

Yes I'm still going on about this. Teleporting out of battle using a broken system is not 'fair.'

Bob, he is convinced that he was wronged.

He will never admit that he messed up and the other guy got very lucky.

Stop trying to explain it to him, he doesn't understand tank business.