LOL no

You're admitting to bringing weak AV to the table. Why should your MLT swarm launcher and ADV AV grenades be any more powerful because out of at least 4 people, you bring weak AV to the table, and I have my Gunnlogi? Why should I get nerfed for your decision to not have much AV?

This is what pisses me off about the community, and CCP's tendencies to listen to a specific group.

I've gone 41-1 in a Gunnlogi getting spider tanked. The other team literally did not have better than MLT / STD AV. We're talking about 8 or so guys launching those weak swarms at me because not a single other person on their team had anything better than that. Now, they were launching explosive weaponry at a shield tank. They obviously won't have the explosive damage bonus on that. I had an armor tank behind me with a shield transporter constantly boosting my shield too. As such, the enemy team had to blow up that tank first before they could destroy me.

That being said, why should your admittedly weak AV get buffed at all? In that case, everything CCP put into the game was working as intended. Explosive weaponry was shrugged off, and I was getting remote reps. Why should I in effect take another nerf?

Depends on your definition of not enough av, not enough 3-4 you should be able to out tank them sure, 5-6 you need to be moving around, making retreats and tactical advances, at 8+ then you should be on the back foot. In the current sizes it should scale like this for adv gear, once we get 64+ then prehaps a little more can be accepted!

As for how difficult to shoot with a rail turret, no more than hitting infantry with a forge gun! The game should never be a case of walking over them, it just makes you sound ignorant, which I why im looking forward to 1.5, tanks will hopefully be made into assets powerful ones at that but you wont be able to be ai, av, aa and everything inbetween!

I use a tank every match, I think that question was asked. I skilled almost completely into vehicles and so I consider that my role on the battlefield. Quite frankly its not all doom and gloom when you get around 8-9 million in skills. I never use the expensive tanks on pub matches.

(I have a scout suit so if needed I scurry around the battlefield avoiding fire and hacking.)

I will go along with the fact that SOME matches they have no AV and I stomp around feeling invincible. Other matches I see advanced A/V and I am very timid making quick runs, waiting for all my cool downs.

A good tanker knows his exits and his angles, he uses them to maximize his lifespan. What I do not like is CCP using huge towers where infantry can sit and get 360 degree of the entire battlefield, but that has nothing to do with balancing that is a simply flaw in the map building.

Happy Hunting!

Are you serious?

A FG has more damage and bigger splash than my railgun turret, its easy with a FG i can do it with militia FG

Also that game 8+ ppl with milita AV that was militaia/basic, if anything like adv/proto comes on the field its ****** i would love to scale it up but we have no proto tanks

Well im speaking from my experience the smaller reticle was most helpful, well miltia should require 50% more than at adv, while proto requires 50% less, I would rate current tanks as adv, a tier under needs considered!

The tanks we have now are basic

Enforcers by meta level are advanced by they are more like advanced militia tank

Nope

I just now know if i see you in game you are a bad player who needs 6+ proto volleys to kill a militia tank

I use a tank every match, I think that question was asked. I skilled almost completely into vehicles and so I consider that my role on the battlefield. Quite frankly its not all doom and gloom when you get around 8-9 million in skills. I never use the expensive tanks on pub matches.

(I have a scout suit so if needed I scurry around the battlefield avoiding fire and hacking.)

I will go along with the fact that SOME matches they have no AV and I stomp around feeling invincible. Other matches I see advanced A/V and I am very timid making quick runs, waiting for all my cool downs.

A good tanker knows his exits and his angles, he uses them to maximize his lifespan. What I do not like is CCP using huge towers where infantry can sit and get 360 degree of the entire battlefield, but that has nothing to do with balancing that is a simply flaw in the map building.

Happy Hunting!

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Also that game 8+ ppl with milita AV that was militaia/basic, if anything like adv/proto comes on the field its ****** i would love to scale it up but we have no proto tanks

I'm glad to see that even tankers feel that they need to change play styles if the situation calls for it. I try running scout too sometimes when it makes sense. I think what's hard for me to grasp is the mindset of a player who is specialized into vehicles but then thinks that just because their tank is big it means it's appropriate for every situation. That was more or less what I'm getting at with some of the questions. I'm not criticizing anyone, I just have a lot more freedom with altering my roll on foot than someone who uses a tank I think.

It's 70,000isk suits vs 500,000 ISK tanks.

Minimum to kill with vs minimum to survive with...

If the min survival tank cost was about 200,000 it would be acceptable cost ratios...

I'm going to have to disagree. That's barely more than a prototype suit or two poorly fit proto suits. I don't really know much about driving a tank but I've seen scoreboards and if someone can't kill it's ISK worth of suits with a tank then they're probably doing it wrong.

Indeed, its not that therw aren't options its just some are much more powerful overall than othrs. For examp, e the blaster turret has a high dps, high accuracy, does plenty of damage to tanks as well as infantry, theres no need to use the other 2!!

Turrets need more defined roles, anti infantry, anti tank, or anti air, at the base layer, one turret cant do it all!!

It's 70,000isk suits vs 500,000 ISK tanks.

Minimum to kill with vs minimum to survive with...

If the min survival tank cost was about 200,000 it would be acceptable cost ratios...

I concur, tanks should be priced on there surviability, about 5 million!! EACH!!

That sounds interesting actually because I've heard someone in my corp mention something like that. I've always just seen either sniping tanks or blasters. It would be cool to see more variation so that it wasn't the same experience every game.

I'm going to have to disagree. That's barely more than a prototype suit or two poorly fit proto suits. I don't really know much about driving a tank but I've seen scoreboards and if someone can't kill it's ISK worth of suits with a tank then they're probably doing it wrong.

It isn't our fault. We have 3 turrets, and 1 sucks, so what are we supposed to do? It isn't like we got 14 guns to use.......

your butthurt comments all over the forum only insult your own intelligence. but please go on and amuse us even more.

a maximized SP wise soma fit for max tank can absorb 5 proto swarms without exploding against someone without damage mods. not to mentioned if it is spider tanked where another vehicle can step in to prevent damage. I let you figure out yourself how to do it. all 3 damage mods would change is reduce the amount of shoots to kill it from 6 to 4.

It isn't our fault. We have 3 turrets, and 1 sucks, so what are we supposed to do? It isn't like we got 14 guns to use.......

The people who can't get killed has no AV or very low level AV going after him. PROTO swarm or any kind of FG above STD will make HAV's, and vehicles in general disappear.

Im not saying its your fault but there needs to be more variations and more negatives, for there positives, blasters need terrible range, to become close quarters infantry based, rails need to be mre lomg range infantry support, however ther should infantry centric, and vechile centric versions, missle turrets need to have high direct, low splash, and low direct high splash, we need lasers, we need more choice but more negatives TOGETHER!!

your butthurt comments all over the forum only insult your own intelligence. but please go on and amuse us even more.

a maximized SP wise soma fit for max tank can absorb 5 proto swarms without exploding against someone without damage mods. not to mentioned if it is spider tanked where another vehicle can step in to prevent damage. I let you figure out yourself how to do it. all 3 damage mods would change is reduce the amount of shoots to kill it from 6 to 4.

They're functionally the equivalent of Standard Assault suits vs. Medium Frame. They're a Standard "Specialised" model instead of the basic version.

At least i dont have to make stuff up to try and prove a point but in your case you make it up and fail with the point anyways

If a soma was that good then madrugars wouldnt be used and all we would see is somas but suprisingly i dont see somas in PC matches it always maddys

Could you tell me why that is the case? No you cant because you dont know what you are talking about