At least i dont have to make stuff up to try and prove a point but in your case you make it up and fail with the point anyways

If a soma was that good then madrugars wouldnt be used and all we would see is somas but suprisingly i dont see somas in PC matches it always maddys

Could you tell me why that is the case? No you cant because you dont know what you are talking about

I apologize, I probably should've been more clear. I mean that it would be cool to see CCP come out with different turrets that allowed for more variation in tank strategies. I don't blame the tankers for using the turrets the way they currently are.

another biased butthurt post without any valid points from you, but I didnt expected something else than a reply of no value.

we have several madrugar drivers in dust uni that have fits able to absorb 6 proto swarms with 3 dmg mods and survive. so some guys in a training corp can do it but you dont? well bad news for you, if there is anyone that has no clue than it is obviously only you.

Great discussion here guys/gals!

I almost never loose tanks in a match unless I do something stupid and allow AV troopers to corner me (Or I have been drinking). Its a problem with the maps not exactly the damage being produced, in regards to tanks. If you put a spire that infantry can shoot 90% of the map then guess what, the tanks can only operate in 10% of the map. If you want a spire create it in the neutral area in the center and have it have angles on half of the map, this would create a vehicle bottle neck and add to the fun factor.

CCP until recently has the idea that all battles are to take place in a valley with mountains overlooking the middle. The last place an important installation would be is in the center of a valley surrounded by high places(Or deep underground but that feature is impossible due to tech limitations). You build important structures at the top of a mountain.


Here are my feelings on the current turrets and the complaints from my turret gunners.

Some of the problems with the small turrets are as follows(The gunners complaint not mine, mind you I run all proto turrets when I have dedicated gunners):
Small Turrets:
Missile - shooting WAY off mark randomly, making it way frustrating.
Railguns - gunners ALWAYS complaining they only get 3 shots then overheats.
Blaster - I do not do enough damage to infantry.

Large Turrets (Also only talking proto level):
Missle - I can see a guy 20 Meters in front of me shoot at him 5 times and not hit him. I can also shoot a guy halfway across the map and randomly one shot him. Too risky and seems too random, it needs to be tightened up to be worth it.
Railgun - Anti - Vehicle and Anti-Infantry, all at a distance and accurate. No real complaints here.
Blaster - I shoot infantry jumping around and do nothing to them, this weapon needs some splash damage added. If it was given even a small boost it would make it worth it.

To be fair the only thing I complain about is rooftop camping where the map has basically been totally geared for infantry dominance. The new maps do not appear to suffer this problem.

another biased butthurt post without any valid points from you

Just keep making stuff up because its easier for you

I would love to see these tanks survive 6 proto swarms but its always talk and hearsay but not from the drivers always from infantry saying how they have seen it or they were the swarm user and it survived

I have yet to see a vid of a madrugar surviving 6+ proto swarms and still keep on tanking and mowing down infantry

From my tanking experience its called running away, i cannot be still and take 6 proto 3dmg mod unless i am out of range or the missiles actually hit cover and not me so it looks like the swarms can lock on and keep firing but nothing ever hits

what is the purpose of you repeating the same nonsense over and over?

surviving 6 proto hits and tanking it to proceed mowing down infantry are two entirely different things. it is possible to survive 6 proto swarms, that is the point. you are not supposed to be invincible but I guess you are one of those scrubs that think they should be able to solo everything in a tank and then wonder why the AV nades of a whole squad you tried to camp are hurting you. btw the time to kill a high durability fit is almost 20s of continous uninterrupted shooting with swarms. what have you or your team done in that time frame? the answer to this question is the cause of your butthurt.

Stop throwing insults at each other like 2 year olds, its degrading and only serves to diminish your intelligence!! Sometimes tanks can be op, sometimes they can be up, end of that discussion!!

How do you think tanks can be made fair for enemy infantry, and dont mean nerf this mcnuggets out of everything!! How can a tank be a tank without steam rolling the opposite side?

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is that how discussion with you look like? someone bring facts and arguments and you answer with several unrelated biased QQ?

you not only failed at reading and answering accordingly, you also managed to write several answers with biased QQ and zero arguments in a row. I guess your ignorance and tunnelvision must be a blessing

Yes your turrets definatly need improvements large and small alike, however like you said rail turretts at the moment can be both infantry and vechile centric, which I find a problem, this game is based on a rock, paper, sciccors mentality and should continue to be just so, there should be variations of your rail turret that make it infantry centric or vechile centric, and then a middle ground that is ok at both but not as good as a specilised variation. The missle turrets show ideally how it should work, some have mkre radius and splash damge which is clearly suited infantry, while others have less spread and more direct damage which clearly anti vechile, all turrets need this kind of definition! ,

The only time a basic tank is OP is when ther is next to no AV on the enemy team which is ther fault and not mine

When its UP is when anything over adv pops up because we do not have adv/proto mods/hulls

Also swarms/av nades are the biggest crutches in the game and require no aim while still have massive faults with the weapon, invisible missiles/locking through cover/able to look up not lose lock so you can fire missiles when not looking at the target/tracking or the target is borked since the missiles track where the target used to be and not where it is/homing nades

FG is pretty balanced as it is, requires some aim, more than the swarms and AV will ever need which is 0

Plasma cannon did get a buff in proj speed in 1.4 i have seen them about more and they do hit harder when they hit, requires the most aim so rarely used

AV mines are never used, espc when homing AV nades deal more damage and never miss so why bother swapping to mines

Give use proto hull/mods to compete with proto AV and we have a level playing field

Pub matches should never be used to balance a weapon, its random, teams are random, forget about it

Balance in PC where it counts, basic vehicles vs proto AV makes PC a right ******* annoyance

I sense that tank users expect to be invincible and chase infantry down and then get annoyed when they toss AV grenades at them.

You must be joking calling swarms and AVs the biggest crutches in Dust.

Swarm launchers are primary weapons. They cannot attack infantry and they are completely worthless for anything aside from destroying vehicles. Why would CCP make them also difficult to aim and operate doing the only thing they're supposed to do? Aside from a SMG or scrambler pistol the player is completely defenseless to the enemies while they try to move into view of the tank. This is dangerous enough and almost suicidal so yeah they should be able to shoot/lock with some wiggle room around corners.

AV grenades are also worthless against infantry and can't be thrown very far. If someone drives a tank through infantry and doesn't expect to be challenged by something then they're just an idiot. I sense that tank users expect to be invincible and chase infantry down and then get annoyed when they toss AV grenades at them. Play smarter if you're being killed by AV grenades.

Just imagine how vulnerable the SL/AV grenade users are while tankers sit cozy in a metal box with 5-10k hp. The ones chasing tanks with AV grenades deserve medals.