1. Is it expected to lose/destroy a tank in a given match or is it simply intended to be matched by other tanks?
Yes, if adv/proto AV is on the field i do expect to lose it in my basic tank and mods, it maybe able to survive if i can run the other way and have everything active to try and tank the incoming damage, if its AV nades its instant and next to unavoidalbe due to joe nameth thrwoing, swarms bend around corners still lock on through cover and fire invisible missiles so its hard to survive them, FG/PL require aiming thus not used as much

2. Are tank users counting on being able to use tanks every game for the entire game since their SP are primarily distributed into tanks?
Vehicles are a specilization, if we cant use them every game then whats the point in playing?


3. Is there something to say about the amount of SP/ISK required to run tanks vs. AV?
Vehicles cost way more ISK and SP than AV ever will at this moment in time, AV can have weapons which deal more damage than any turret in the game for a fraction of the price and for a fraction of the SP, i can spend 2mil SP into proto swarms and fit it on a skinweave suit and kill all the vehicles in the game

4. Before 1.4 were things balanced?
lolno, basic vehicles vs proto AV, also super OP swarms getting more buffs and still broken as ****

As long as the Team size is fixed and a Tank can be used solo it should always be possible to solo a tank of the same or lower tier. Otherwise tanks would become gamebreaking regardless of the game mode. But it should not ne possible to solo a tank by grenades, AV nades should be primarily used for LAVs.

We dont know that

We have ammo but my HAV cant climb up stairs

Why did you make this thread?

Tanks and AV are getting a complete rework from the ground up. The way tanks are in the game now will not be the way tanks are in the game for 1.5.

How about waiting until they release more information before making yet *another* "Tanks are broken AV is broken fix it plz" thread.

Don't believe what the stickies tell you. They also claim that the "improved" dropship camera will make it easier to pilot. See 1.4 patch notes.

LOL no

You're admitting to bringing weak AV to the table. Why should your MLT swarm launcher and ADV AV grenades be any more powerful because out of at least 4 people, you bring weak AV to the table, and I have my Gunnlogi? Why should I get nerfed for your decision to not have much AV?

This is what pisses me off about the community, and CCP's tendencies to listen to a specific group.

I've gone 41-1 in a Gunnlogi getting spider tanked. The other team literally did not have better than MLT / STD AV. We're talking about 8 or so guys launching those weak swarms at me because not a single other person on their team had anything better than that. Now, they were launching explosive weaponry at a shield tank. They obviously won't have the explosive damage bonus on that. I had an armor tank behind me with a shield transporter constantly boosting my shield too. As such, the enemy team had to blow up that tank first before they could destroy me.

That being said, why should your admittedly weak AV get buffed at all? In that case, everything CCP put into the game was working as intended. Explosive weaponry was shrugged off, and I was getting remote reps. Why should I in effect take another nerf?

But if that other team doesn't bring enough AV, why shouldn't I walk all over them? Can you answer that? Why should CCP balance the game over modes and matchmaking that don't affect the overall grand scheme of things?

I use a tank every match, I think that question was asked. I skilled almost completely into vehicles and so I consider that my role on the battlefield. Quite frankly its not all doom and gloom when you get around 8-9 million in skills. I never use the expensive tanks on pub matches.

(I have a scout suit so if needed I scurry around the battlefield avoiding fire and hacking.)

I will go along with the fact that SOME matches they have no AV and I stomp around feeling invincible. Other matches I see advanced A/V and I am very timid making quick runs, waiting for all my cool downs.

A good tanker knows his exits and his angles, he uses them to maximize his lifespan. What I do not like is CCP using huge towers where infantry can sit and get 360 degree of the entire battlefield, but that has nothing to do with balancing that is a simply flaw in the map building.

Happy Hunting!

Are you serious?

A FG has more damage and bigger splash than my railgun turret, its easy with a FG i can do it with militia FG

Also that game 8+ ppl with milita AV that was militaia/basic, if anything like adv/proto comes on the field its ****** i would love to scale it up but we have no proto tanks

I'm glad to see that even tankers feel that they need to change play styles if the situation calls for it. I try running scout too sometimes when it makes sense. I think what's hard for me to grasp is the mindset of a player who is specialized into vehicles but then thinks that just because their tank is big it means it's appropriate for every situation. That was more or less what I'm getting at with some of the questions. I'm not criticizing anyone, I just have a lot more freedom with altering my roll on foot than someone who uses a tank I think.

I'm going to have to disagree. That's barely more than a prototype suit or two poorly fit proto suits. I don't really know much about driving a tank but I've seen scoreboards and if someone can't kill it's ISK worth of suits with a tank then they're probably doing it wrong.

It isn't our fault. We have 3 turrets, and 1 sucks, so what are we supposed to do? It isn't like we got 14 guns to use.......

Great discussion here guys/gals!

I almost never loose tanks in a match unless I do something stupid and allow AV troopers to corner me (Or I have been drinking). Its a problem with the maps not exactly the damage being produced, in regards to tanks. If you put a spire that infantry can shoot 90% of the map then guess what, the tanks can only operate in 10% of the map. If you want a spire create it in the neutral area in the center and have it have angles on half of the map, this would create a vehicle bottle neck and add to the fun factor.

CCP until recently has the idea that all battles are to take place in a valley with mountains overlooking the middle. The last place an important installation would be is in the center of a valley surrounded by high places(Or deep underground but that feature is impossible due to tech limitations). You build important structures at the top of a mountain.


Here are my feelings on the current turrets and the complaints from my turret gunners.

Some of the problems with the small turrets are as follows(The gunners complaint not mine, mind you I run all proto turrets when I have dedicated gunners):
Small Turrets:
Missile - shooting WAY off mark randomly, making it way frustrating.
Railguns - gunners ALWAYS complaining they only get 3 shots then overheats.
Blaster - I do not do enough damage to infantry.

Large Turrets (Also only talking proto level):
Missle - I can see a guy 20 Meters in front of me shoot at him 5 times and not hit him. I can also shoot a guy halfway across the map and randomly one shot him. Too risky and seems too random, it needs to be tightened up to be worth it.
Railgun - Anti - Vehicle and Anti-Infantry, all at a distance and accurate. No real complaints here.
Blaster - I shoot infantry jumping around and do nothing to them, this weapon needs some splash damage added. If it was given even a small boost it would make it worth it.

To be fair the only thing I complain about is rooftop camping where the map has basically been totally geared for infantry dominance. The new maps do not appear to suffer this problem.