Not only is the recoil hardley any different, but i also am now limited in my ability to kill multiple people (90-100 less shots before overheat). Make less recoil a sharpshooter skill for hmg if people really want it that badely.

Run Damage mods but Scouts will not like you

I do use a damage mod.

Complex?

Hmg needs more range and some hardeners to the suit itself

Yep, i also have HMG proficiency at 5

Hmg needs more range and some hardeners to the suit itself

And you say it does nothing

Not only is the recoil hardley any different, but i also am now limited in my ability to kill multiple people (90-100 less shots before overheat). Make less recoil a sharpshooter skill for hmg if people really want it that badely.

Uhm.. Why do you need 90-100 bullets to kill someone.. Hell I NEVER overheat even while I take on a hoard of people by myself.

Have more control over your fire.

Uhm.. Why do you need 90-100 bullets to kill someone.. Hell I NEVER overheat even while I take on a hoard of people by myself.

Have more control over your fire.

I want dispertion tightened up with some sort of Proficiency skills.
And base reload time cut by 1/3.

Are you fuckin kiddin me?!
The new skill is awesome,on lvl 5 there are absolutely no recoil.
Its the best thing that CCP can do with the HMG,im totally love it.

My wish is that they'll do away with the ammo drum and go with an ammo belt to the pack.

not.sure.of.serious

Im serious.

You're acting like there was massive recoil to begin with. I would agree there was some recoil, but to reduce it (hardly) and make overheating quicker is almost pointless. The HMG needed a bullet spread reduction, not recoil reduction.

Are you fuckin kiddin me?!
The new skill is awesome,on lvl 5 there are absolutely no recoil.
Its the best thing that CCP can do with the HMG,im totally love it.

If you ever want to see how the HMG should operate, look at the minigun in the Brutal Doom mod. ADS button controls spool up time which affects range and accuracy and range when you fire, but it's loud enough to alert anyone in proximity. That would be perfect for the HMG with the old operation skill.

you have the slowest overheat of any weapon and 1.4 bumped you from lolHMG to death machine.

Yep, i also have HMG proficiency at 5

recoil? we had recoil in the HMG? i honestly didnt notice it, and why does CCP have to go and change the skills to recoil? none of us heavies even complained about recoil.

Overheating the HMG is still almost impossible (the standard variant,the burst variant is another tale) if youre a decent heavy.
But with the recoil reduction the HMG is actually more accurate against distant (from 30 to 50 meters) targets.

Spread reduction would be great too,but recoil reduction is still helping a lot.

Okay? The old HMG skill was pointless too.

We traded one useless skill for another, surprise~

Not only is the recoil hardley any different, but i also am now limited in my ability to kill multiple people (90-100 less shots before overheat). Make less recoil a sharpshooter skill for hmg if people really want it that badely.

After doing a full read through this post I come to the agreement that you're whiners who want to be a God again.

The Heavy and HMG is just fine for me and many friends alike. As long as I don't go foolishly running into an enemy mob from the front or run over an open field I'm pretty safe.
With the help from a buddy in a dropship (Evolution-7 is one hell of a pilot!) or my own LLAV (which I don't often use for ramming. I prefer driving up close and let my HMG do all the talking.) I get around quite easy.

The heavy could maybe benefit from a HP increase (Because Assaults can get almost the HP of my advanced suits!), but I'm fine with my HP at the time. The faster turning speed and aim assist help a lot when it comes to shooting at pesky moving targets.

Then the HMG: Only during the start of Uprising I was disappointed, but after the damage increase and range increase I'm very satisfied. At the moment it seems I can even hit targets from even further decent (say 40-60m). As long as I use my cover and don't go gun-blazing I usually get my kill. Dying one on one against an enemy I've noticed is pretty damn hard.
One on one the only guys that kill me are the ones who catch me in the back and start shooting ASAP.

Furthermore the recoil helps now with fast moving targets and targets further away. The heat-build-up was something I've noticed, but don't care too much about. With my advanced and prototype HMG I usually only overheat when I keep shooting until I got like 80-100 bullets left. (This is easily dismissed by letting the trigger go for half a second, get some cover, etc...) On the basic HMG I've noticed it's a bit easier to overheat, but as long as you know what you're doing there are no real problems.

All in all the Heavy is in a decent spot. One on one it usually overcomes most enemies. When grouped with other Heavies and a helpful DS or LLAV you'll become the King of the Battlefield. I would only want a flat damage reduction or maybe some more protection from ramming LAV's or explosives since that seems to be appropriate. It's not needed, but it would be helpful.
The HMG is in a sweet spot for me and I could definitely live with it staying as it is.


PS: For the ones saying I'ma troll or something else I've been a Heavy since the start of open beta (and actually closed, but I lost the account, so let's forget that one!). I've been through all the hard times we Heavies had. The massive HMG nerf, the doom that's called Tac-AR against us and when MD's reigned supreme. Ask my buddies for confirmation, or rather ask TUL in general!

Keep on killing!

Your all pray and spray trash standing out in the middle of an open field being killed ARs. Learn your class. CCP gave us HMGers some new awesome maps that are nearly all indoors CQC. I havn't been killing this many people since chromosome. Recoil skill wasn't needed, but if your overheating you have no idea what your doing.

Hmg needs more range and some hardeners to the suit itself

that recoil skill should be come a dispersion reduction skill, of 5% per level

There's definitly recoil on the HMG. If I keep shooting until I almost overheat I really need to adjust my aming. Luckily, thanks to the new adjusted skill this is hardly an issue anymore. I feel like living in Chromosome again!

/me goes back to using Burst HMGs.

I haven't tried them yet, are they any good?

/me goes back to using Burst HMGs.

It is not about what you are doing, it is about what the enemy is...when they try to overwhelm you with numbers, you cannot help but send rounds back down range in order to survive, because you cannot break contact and retreat. You are too slow.

I can use cover when I need, I can manage my heat effectively, I can make sure I am squaded with at least 1 logi to help rep me. It is absolutely about what you are doing. If you are standing solo trying to be a wall vs a whole squad its already a forgone conclusion that you have lost.

I can use cover when I need, I can manage my heat effectively, I can make sure I am squaded with at least 1 logi to help rep me. It is absolutely about what you are doing. If you are standing solo trying to be a wall vs a whole squad its already a forgone conclusion that you have lost.

"I can hide, I can not shoot, I can make sure I have a babysitter." I, I, I, I. What the HMG should do is the discussion. Not how you sit camp with a logi, just to get naded and mowed over.

When ARs are sprinting around with higher DPS and self sustaining suits, hell yeah I do not want to worry about overheating. When 6 proto CalAssaults try to take me and my logibro out. Of course I can choose to hide, and hope they go around or kill us quickly like you say you do. But I like to start killing them when they are close enough, and when they see me, they close in and attack. By the time I kill two/three of them, I attempt to break contact for a second to cool down, but by then they have cooked up some nades and are bunnyhopping around me. I need to keep shooting.

You can play like a girl, I want to kill them all. I just liked being able to shoot 374 rounds before overheating, now what is it? 290ish? Those 80 rounds are the difference between a squad of dead ARs and a dead HMG and logibro.

So you want CCP to make you invincible and require no effort to play on your part. Got ya.

...in the open...

He didn't say anything about being in the open.

In the open just means not trying to use cover not necessarily standing in a field or something. Taking cover for a moment to cool down or rep is to "play like a girl".

Not only is the recoil hardley any different, but i also am now limited in my ability to kill multiple people (90-100 less shots before overheat). Make less recoil a sharpshooter skill for hmg if people really want it that badely.

So you want CCP to make you invincible and require no effort to play on your part. Got ya.

An interesting idea I had for sentinels maybe is a max incoming damage receivable. Like you can't take more than x damage per second from small arms fire up to a set amount of damage. Like maybe 50% of total health or something. This could make the heavy feel more tanky without a HP buff and make for an interesting mechanic. Call it "Hardened Armor" or something could become better with each level of suit skill.