The bottom line is;

- It should be LOTS of standard gear variations, cheap and affordable.

- AVD gear should became what Proto gear is right now, a suit design for Competitive game play, with enough variations to keep people interested.

- Prototype gear should be a "Special" suit... a bit like a combat boost skill.. something that you only use in extreme circumstances as a "God Mode" option.

"Proto is cool and all, but give the rich and powerful something even more awesome only they can afford!!!" is what you are suggesting. I can smell the tears already.

This ... this is awesome. lmao

Yea, go back to the University. You are not ready. I said paying to have and advantage is PWT. Seen you cannot comprehend that. Come back when you have enough credits.

The best solution would obvisously be the removal of the current tier system and the introduction of a system where more advanced gear makes you better in CERTAIN situations instead of plain all situations.

I've been playing this game since August 2012, kid.

What you are talking about does not make any sense and I think you just realised this yourself.

The way the system works at the moment is you pay more ISK to get gear that makes you just plain better than people who use inferior gear. What I and many others suggest is that instead of protogear making you better in everything it should only make you better in fulfilling certain roles. How is that P2W?

Shhh. Don't drop the knowledge bomb their heads might explode.

So rather than just balancing 4 assaults against each other, they would be balancing 12? I haven't really heard the next positive step from this idea. I just don't know how it would work.

Lets take the Gallente Assault class. Do you build the current ADV suit as the base model? Then what are the variations? Do you move a slot around? Or do you keep the slots/stats as they are and ONLY mess with skills?

If ANYTHING I would ONLY want to see the last option. So "gallente dropsuit operation" would unlock 3 different suits at pretty low SP cost and have the same current skills that exist for all gallente assaults. But each of those 3 suits might have their own proficiency skill.

Every assault class could have a combat, attack, and specialist variant. Combat would be a little more tank oriented, attack would focus more on that race's use of high damage while sacrificing tank, and the specialist variant would be a more unique role that maybe emphasizes that race's racial weaponry to the fullest extent.

So all assaults get +5% shield regen per level.
All gallente assaults get +5% fitting reduction to PG/CPU for hybrid weapons per level (including the basic suit)
'Voulgier' Assault Suit: Gallente Combat Proficiency gives a -10% speed penalty reduction on plates per level.
'Lancer' Assault Suit: Gallente Attack Proficiency gives a -4% CPU/PG cost for light damage modules per level.
'Gendarme' Assault Suit: Gallente Specialist Proficiency gives a +3% optimal range to plasma weapons per level.

The problem is though, the more variations, the harder it is to balance. Balancing 4 tiers of assaults is (probably) easier than 4 lines with 3 sub-classes.

Oh wait.............. no risk, all reward..........

I'm guessing the OP does not realize he would only be hurting the average to sub-par players. Not to mention the poor folk. Killers will always be killers yo.

Whether prices are raised astronomically or not, I'll leave that up to CCP.

On the occasion that I would run a high priced proto I can only imagine having the fortune of immediately being spawn killed or OBd. :/

Fun...

No all those people that have dominated the game (even after resets) are just being carrying by SP.

I've never been a part of any other gaming community forum, but this one has a good share of stupid people in it.

I can't afford to run proto all the time and I've been running around a 3.0 since Uprising hit. If you can't run a profit at 3.0 then it's certainly not some big problem.

I think the prices of suits needs to go down in order to keep people fighting in the pub matches. There's just not much incentive to fight in a competitive pub match if you can go 20-4 in ADV gear and not turn a profit.

And to the stupid bastard that wants to raise the price of equipment..... REALLY??? You want less ammo and spawn points on the battlefield? I just.... I can't.... WHY?

[quote=JL3Eleven]I'm guessing the OP does not realize he would only be hurting the average to sub-par players. Not to mention the poor folk. Killers will always be killers yo.

WoW ! ... the problem is BIG corps that can afford to run Proto all the time....I already accepted the fact that i CAN'T run Proto constantly, but is nothing stopping big corps from constantly Pubstomping battles. Higher Proto prices will force Corps to use Prototype Equipment only in PC battles, making casual play more enjoyable.

I am seriously the only one in this Forums that can see this ?

WoW ! ... the problem is BIG corps that can afford to run Proto all the time....I already accepted the fact that i CAN'T run Proto constantly, but is nothing stopping big corps from constantly Pubstomping battles. Higher Proto prices will force Corps to use Prototype Equipment only in PC battles, making casual play more enjoyable.

I am seriously the only one in this Forums that can see this ?

A full proto suit should cost 2-3 mills (gear and all), simply cuz they can outtake 10 to 20 full ADV dGÇÖs (same gear and all), in well about 200-300k ISK each, in almost all encounters, while team efforts are a whole another story, warfare tactics and such.

Should be..
Full **** = 1 GÇô 10k
Full STND =10 GÇô 50k
Full ADV = 100 GÇô 500k
Full PRO = 1 GÇô 5 mills
.. fair enough.

That way ADV would be the top players standard, the most balanced gear the game has right now (in reward/cost); only benefits could come out of these and it certainly would diminish some of the big issues going on these days.

PC also plays a big part in all of these and matchmaking needs to keep track of: ISK founds of each player - kdr - input (ds3 or kbm) - and allocated sp.

Oh wait.............. no risk, all reward..........

WoW ! ... the problem is BIG corps that can afford to run Proto all the time....I already accepted the fact that i CAN'T run Proto constantly, but is nothing stopping big corps from constantly Pubstomping battles. Higher Proto prices will force Corps to use Prototype Equipment only in PC battles, making casual play more enjoyable.

I am seriously the only one in this Forums that can see this ?

We can't afford to run Proto all the time. I doubt everybody in Eon can run proto all the time. If you die in a proto suit ONCE it's very likely you can't profit in that match.

I'll break out a Proto every now and then in a pub, but it's mostly ADV gear.

If I could afford it, I would. Because I've been playing for a LONG time and I've grinded my ass off for my proto stuff.

Just keep hanging on until we can team deploy. When we are able to team deploy in FW it'll clear the pubs quite a bit for people that solo a lot or are in small corps with only 2 or 3 people on at a time.

I'm guessing the OP does not realize he would only be hurting the average to sub-par players. Not to mention the poor folk. Killers will always be killers yo.

Before uprising my proto heavy forge setup cost just over 1 mill isk that was an investmet that was only used in corp battles now I see countless protos in pubs and just sigh becaus their is verry little risk when they are facing down a team of randoms.

Proto should NOT cost more...yet...

I took out a 130k suit once and got sniped straight away.

Would people play this game if they could lose a couple MILLION ISK to getting run over or sniped?

ill be blunt on this topic, i drop proto suits within seconds with my shotgun/smg/ar. If youre really having trouble killing protos, youre bad at the game. Plus proto gear is something post chromosome players look foward to and a journey of grind to earn. A new player finally gets a decent protofit after months of grinding and uses it to experience the payoff for his grind.

So he scraps up lol2million isk for his suit alone with some adv mods and goes into battle.First thing when he spawns he gets hit by an OB. Instant death. So he grinds 10 matches (assuming hes earning roughly 200,000 a game) enough for another proto. He goes into battle, spawns on bravo and gets completely owned by an Adv assault forge from the heavens. See where im going with this? 2 millions isk just to last a few extra seconds? No

my proto suit cost 150k- is that too little since i lose at least 5 in a game to LLAV's