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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:00:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:I'm guessing the OP does not realize he would only be hurting the average to sub-par players. Not to mention the poor folk. Killers will always be killers yo. No all those people that have dominated the game (even after resets) are just being carrying by SP. I've never been a part of any other gaming community forum, but this one has a good share of stupid people in it. I can't afford to run proto all the time and I've been running around a 3.0 since Uprising hit. If you can't run a profit at 3.0 then it's certainly not some big problem. I think the prices of suits needs to go down in order to keep people fighting in the pub matches. There's just not much incentive to fight in a competitive pub match if you can go 20-4 in ADV gear and not turn a profit. And to the stupid bastard that wants to raise the price of equipment..... REALLY??? You want less ammo and spawn points on the battlefield? I just.... I can't.... WHY?
Why lower the prices of suits? |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:01:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
People would beat their children if proto suits were 300-400K again and got ran over two or three times.
Drive.......... around....... from....... point........... to....... *head explodes* |
Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:02:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:I'm guessing the OP does not realize he would only be hurting the average to sub-par players. Not to mention the poor folk. Killers will always be killers yo. No all those people that have dominated the game (even after resets) are just being carrying by SP. I've never been a part of any other gaming community forum, but this one has a good share of stupid people in it. I can't afford to run proto all the time and I've been running around a 3.0 since Uprising hit. If you can't run a profit at 3.0 then it's certainly not some big problem. I think the prices of suits needs to go down in order to keep people fighting in the pub matches. There's just not much incentive to fight in a competitive pub match if you can go 20-4 in ADV gear and not turn a profit. And to the stupid bastard that wants to raise the price of equipment..... REALLY??? You want less ammo and spawn points on the battlefield? I just.... I can't.... WHY? WoW ! ... the problem is BIG corps that can afford to run Proto all the time....I already accepted the fact that i CAN'T run Proto constantly, but is nothing stopping big corps from constantly Pubstomping battles. Higher Proto prices will force Corps to use Prototype Equipment only in PC battles, making casual play more enjoyable. I am seriously the only one in this Forums that can see this ?
No, because you're on a thread I started wondering why the cost of PRO suits was dropped like a rock. |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:02:00 -
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Unless you use vehicles...
Drivers don't even have to die to lose 1,000,000+ isk.
Driver don't even have a teammate that can revive them too!  |
Thumb Green
Novashift
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:03:00 -
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If I die twice in my proto suit I'm losing ISK in most matches unless I'm on a crappy team where I'm the only one that gets 1000+ wp's and everyone else is below 500, then I'll make enough to pay for those two suits and buy 1/4th of another one. Whereas I can die 10 times in my advance suit before I start losing isk.
Proto ain't expensive, man fck that noise. |
Keri Starlight
Psygod9
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:08:00 -
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I played this game for 3 months to get my very first proto suit only recently and I can finally go heads up with other proto users...
Leave it alone, please... |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
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Posted - 2013.08.30 17:29:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:I played this game for 3 months to get my very first proto suit only recently and I can finally go heads up with other proto users...
Leave it alone, please...
You played 3 months to get to level 5 in dropsuit command?
You're doing it wrong. Very wrong |
Yan Darn
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.30 18:44:00 -
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Edit: Holy ****! Erm TL;DR - yay for tiercide (but maybe not right now).::
Why CCP introduced this Tier System in DUST where It makes even less sense considering sides are always evenly matched in numbers (as opposed to EVE where the poor and less SP invested at least have the option to zerg the enemy, and the enemy doesn't get a 'payout' at the end of a battle) - well I'll never know.
I'm in no rush for proto personally (suits - though a complex shield on my BPO scout would be nice...) - but there isn't much going on in this game at the mo so we have to find our own fun. For different reasons, people aim for proto.
Some people, the 'lv99 ers' I'll call them - people who will play RPGs asking for increases in level caps when all it will effectively allow them to do is exactly the same thing they can do now, but with bigger numbers (because they will just end up having to fight equally tougher enemies). I guess they want proto for that same illusionary sense of progression.
Then you have your tear drinkers of course. We know why they want proto.
Then you have 'survivors/realists' people who want proto so they can stand equally against other protos - or simply because, why would you want to fight with 100ehp and 50dps when you can have 200ehp and 75dps? Right?
To me, that middle group is largely irrelevant - the first and last group can have their fun without a tier system and focus on specialisation rather than straight up 'this suit is better than this suit - in EVERY way imaginable'. Which - is boring right?
I mean suits have:
Number of slots, slot layout, shields, shield recharge rate, shield delay rate, shield depleted delay rate, armour, armour repair, scan range, scan precision, scan profile, speed, sprint speed, stamina, stamina recharge rate, melee damage, weapons slots, grenade slots, equipment slots, CPU and PG.
I'm probably missing some stats, but that's before you even get to actual suit bonuses - then times all that by 3 for respective frame types.
Even adding in all the all the racial variations for the current suits and weapons would allow for diversity and specialisation - then you have all the suits to come (pilot suits etc).
For me - the 'goal' of proto is uninspiring (and unnecessarily diffcult to balance) compared to what Tiercide would allow. So for now I hunt proto's with my STD equipment knowing my entire fit is worth less than a Duvolle - or with my BPOs, less than a complex shield mod...
Like I said, for now, with our 3 pvp lobby match game modes, we all have to make our own fun...
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Torneido Achura
The Suicide Kingz
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Posted - 2013.08.30 22:28:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Torneido Achura wrote:A full proto suit should cost 2-3 mills (gear and all), simply cuz they can outtake 10 to 20 full ADV dGÇÖs (same gear and all), in well about 200-300k ISK each, in almost all encounters, while team efforts are a whole another story, warfare tactics and such.
Should be..
Full **** = 1 GÇô 10k
Full STND =10 GÇô 50k
Full ADV = 100 GÇô 500k
Full PRO = 1 GÇô 5 mills
.. fair enough.
That way ADV would be the top players standard, the most balanced gear the game has right now (in reward/cost); only benefits could come out of these and it certainly would diminish some of the big issues going on these days.
PC also plays a big part in all of these and matchmaking needs to keep track of: ISK founds of each player - kdr - input (ds3 or kbm) - and allocated sp. You must never have played PC. No one runs advanced. Proto and up. 5 Mill for proto? What are you playing?
I was talking about pubs.. sigh
Look at the madness in pubs these last few days.. everyone is running proto around there, though has been fun 
Nemo Bluntz wrote:Also, the idea of making proto gear so expensive that you would virtually never see it is so ******* absurd. "Hey, you know that stuff you grinded for months to get? Well, you still can't use it. HAHAHAHA" 
When more PC locations are opened, this should have to be the only place where protos can be obtained and should be used.
Just imagine protos continue this way, soon its going to affect (the future) matchmaking.. |
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