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JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:00:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote: Not even Eon will be available to afford 2,000,000+ isk suits in every match.. think about it..
2,500,000 isk ( For example ) x 16 players = 40,000,000 isk .... die a couple of times and ..80,000,000 isk.
Considering they are the richest with BILLIONS we are among the broke ones? You got a 12 year old syndrome or something ? those billions will evaporate really really fast and will normalize in a couple of weeks, as it is right now they will keep piling on billions and billions without ever loosing a single one of them.
LOL. I know you are not new. Everyone agrees Eon run it right now. Untill you get gud they will continue. Got it? |
Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:02:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Oh wait.............. no risk, all reward..........
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JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:04:00 -
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tPanther Alpha wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote: Not even Eon will be available to afford 2,000,000+ isk suits in every match.. think about it..
2,500,000 isk ( For example ) x 16 players = 40,000,000 isk .... die a couple of times and ..80,000,000 isk.
Considering they are the richest with BILLIONS we are among the broke ones? You could potentially drain their isk battle after battle...eventually the will have to give up planets and systems because it will became "unaffordable" and impossible to maintain.
It's possible but not likely. They have depth to make any no name corp. a contender. Plus ATM they have the ISK to lock them down so they wont be lost.
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:06:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote: Not even Eon will be available to afford 2,000,000+ isk suits in every match.. think about it..
2,500,000 isk ( For example ) x 16 players = 40,000,000 isk .... die a couple of times and ..80,000,000 isk.
Considering they are the richest with BILLIONS we are among the broke ones? You got a 12 year old syndrome or something ? those billions will evaporate really really fast and will normalize in a couple of weeks, as it is right now they will keep piling on billions and billions without ever loosing a single one of them. LOL. I know you are not new. Everyone agrees Eon run it right now. Untill you get gud they will continue. Got it?
And why would i be new or what would suggest i am new,?, i dont do PC battles so i wouldnt know who rules and i wont care until it gets a real connection to eve, some people have tried hiring me in a past but it wasnt in my timezone. |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:08:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote: Not even Eon will be available to afford 2,000,000+ isk suits in every match.. think about it..
2,500,000 isk ( For example ) x 16 players = 40,000,000 isk .... die a couple of times and ..80,000,000 isk.
Considering they are the richest with BILLIONS we are among the broke ones? You got a 12 year old syndrome or something ? those billions will evaporate really really fast and will normalize in a couple of weeks, as it is right now they will keep piling on billions and billions without ever loosing a single one of them. LOL. I know you are not new. Everyone agrees Eon run it right now. Untill you get gud they will continue. Got it? And why would i be new or what would suggest i am new,?, i dont do PC battles so i wouldnt know who rules and i wont care until it gets a real connection to eve, some people have tried hiring me in a past but it wasnt in my timezone.
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JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:11:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote: Not even Eon will be available to afford 2,000,000+ isk suits in every match.. think about it..
2,500,000 isk ( For example ) x 16 players = 40,000,000 isk .... die a couple of times and ..80,000,000 isk.
Considering they are the richest with BILLIONS we are among the broke ones? You got a 12 year old syndrome or something ? those billions will evaporate really really fast and will normalize in a couple of weeks, as it is right now they will keep piling on billions and billions without ever loosing a single one of them. LOL. I know you are not new. Everyone agrees Eon run it right now. Untill you get gud they will continue. Got it? And why would i be new or what would suggest i am new,?, i dont do PC battles so i wouldnt know who rules and i wont care until it gets a real connection to eve, some people have tried hiring me in a past but it wasnt in my timezone. That and 13ear used to send me fanmail when i played regurly against them, so yeah not so new.
at your edit. And? |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:14:00 -
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Just sayin...and? |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:14:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:t Panther Alpha wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote: Not even Eon will be available to afford 2,000,000+ isk suits in every match.. think about it..
2,500,000 isk ( For example ) x 16 players = 40,000,000 isk .... die a couple of times and ..80,000,000 isk.
Considering they are the richest with BILLIONS we are among the broke ones? You could potentially drain their isk battle after battle...eventually the will have to give up planets and systems because it will became "unaffordable" and impossible to maintain. It's possible but not likely. They have depth to make any no name corp. a contender. Plus ATM they have the ISK to lock them down so they wont be lost.
Well... it seems that what we need is a strong anti-Eon Alliance.. a World War 1 ( WW1 ) The first New Eden World War |
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OMFGZOMBIESRUN
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:16:00 -
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Proto suits are nothing special and definitely don't warrant being moar expensive - neither is the current officers suit (beta tourney prize) heck, that suit is at just a basic cal medium frame and doesn't even get any class or race bonuses.
If they were to raise the price - the people who already have hundreds of millions of isk would just 'stock up' while the suits were still cheap and carry on running 24/7. Leaving those without millions of isk forever in Adv
Proto suit prices etc are fine as they are.
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Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:22:00 -
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I run a cheap proto as i like having the four bits of equipment and a duvolle, Cost me around 100k and i can blow 3 of them a match, plus its got like a 220 Shield and 185 armour so its not like im stacking loads of HP on these suits. You nubs just need to L2P.
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JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:23:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:t Panther Alpha wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote: Not even Eon will be available to afford 2,000,000+ isk suits in every match.. think about it..
2,500,000 isk ( For example ) x 16 players = 40,000,000 isk .... die a couple of times and ..80,000,000 isk.
Considering they are the richest with BILLIONS we are among the broke ones? You could potentially drain their isk battle after battle...eventually the will have to give up planets and systems because it will became "unaffordable" and impossible to maintain. It's possible but not likely. They have depth to make any no name corp. a contender. Plus ATM they have the ISK to lock them down so they wont be lost. Well... it seems that what we need is a strong anti-Eon Alliance.. a World War 1 ( WW1 ) The first New Eden World War
For real? We just had that. |
CrotchGrab 360
High-Damage
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:26:00 -
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Proto should NOT cost more...yet...
I took out a 130k suit once and got sniped straight away.
Would people play this game if they could lose a couple MILLION ISK to getting run over or sniped? |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:26:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:[quote=JL3Eleven]t[quote=Panther Alpha][quote=JL3Eleven] Well... it seems that what we need is a strong anti-Eon Alliance.. a World War 1 ( WW1 ) The first New Eden World War For real? We just had that.
Really ? ... i wasn't very effective then .... You need to get everyone involved, including small corps and individual players. Maybe have CCP put it in the "News Screen" |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:29:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Really ? ... i wasn't very effective then .... You need to get everyone involved, including small corps and individual players. Maybe have CCP put it in the "News Screen"
Seriously? You must not be in the know. |
Rage Racer
DUST University Irregulars
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:31:00 -
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Prototype equipment should be so rare that you'll never see it used in pubmatches at all.
Advanced gear should be so expensive that dying once or twice in a pubmatch makes you lose money.
Standard gear should be, you know, the STANDARD, not prototype gear. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:34:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Proto should NOT cost more...yet...
I took out a 130k suit once and got sniped straight away.
Would people play this game if they could lose a couple MILLION ISK to getting run over or sniped?
It would still be their choice to actually use it, its like my museum piece of a ship i have in eve, i keep upgrading and tweaking it but never take it out for a drive :) but we are talking about a cost in Billions more then was EON has total most likely.
but to answer the question, i would, the more i fear of dying in a game the more real and fun it gets for me. |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:34:00 -
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Rage Racer wrote:Prototype equipment should be so rare that you'll never see it used in pubmatches at all.
Advanced gear should be so expensive that dying once or twice in a pubmatch makes you lose money.
Standard gear should be, you know, the STANDARD, not prototype gear.
What about officer gear and rich corps who can afford to run it 24/7? |
Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:37:00 -
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ill be blunt on this topic, i drop proto suits within seconds with my shotgun/smg/ar. If youre really having trouble killing protos, youre bad at the game. Plus proto gear is something post chromosome players look foward to and a journey of grind to earn. A new player finally gets a decent protofit after months of grinding and uses it to experience the payoff for his grind.
So he scraps up lol2million isk for his suit alone with some adv mods and goes into battle.First thing when he spawns he gets hit by an OB. Instant death. So he grinds 10 matches (assuming hes earning roughly 200,000 a game) enough for another proto. He goes into battle, spawns on bravo and gets completely owned by an Adv assault forge from the heavens. See where im going with this? 2 millions isk just to last a few extra seconds? No |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:40:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:ill be blunt on this topic, i drop proto suits within seconds with my shotgun/smg/ar. If youre really having trouble killing protos, youre bad at the game. Plus proto gear is something post chromosome players look foward to and a journey of grind to earn. A new player finally gets a decent protofit after months of grinding and uses it to experience the payoff for his grind.
So he scraps up lol2million isk for his suit alone with some adv mods and goes into battle.First thing when he spawns he gets hit by an OB. Instant death. So he grinds 10 matches (assuming hes earning roughly 200,000 a game) enough for another proto. He goes into battle, spawns on bravo and gets completely owned by an Adv assault forge from the heavens. See where im going with this? 2 millions isk just to last a few extra seconds? No
Your oblivious to the frase, dont use what you cant afford to loose in the eve universe ?....
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Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:41:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Really ? ... it wasn't very effective then .... You need to get everyone involved, including small corps and individual players. Maybe have CCP put it in the "News Screen" Seriously? You must not be in the know.
I know some of the big Corps united against Eon... but that isn't total unification.. this is when the famous EvE lore should come into play strongly... total unification against them... the Liberation of New Eden... the Fight for equality ...
I don't know.. some of that crap... |
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JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:42:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:What about officer gear and rich corps who can afford to run it 24/7?
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JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:43:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Really ? ... it wasn't very effective then .... You need to get everyone involved, including small corps and individual players. Maybe have CCP put it in the "News Screen" Seriously? You must not be in the know. I know some of the big Corps united against Eon... but that isn't total unification.. this is when the famous EvE lore should come into play strongly... total unification against them... the Liberation of New Eden... the Fight for equality ... I don't know.. some of that crap...
P.S. I got paid 40 million to fight Eon. Now you know. |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:44:00 -
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1) Battle payouts are a function of the cost of gear lost (changes), the time spent in battle (constant), and (unverified) the amount of clones killed in battle (proportional).
2) If you raise the cost of gear used in battle you increase the payout of battles, which increases income, which makes things more affordable. The bigger the payout is that comes from isk from destroyed good, the larger you are rewarding only merit. However right now, two players can spend the same amount of time in battle, one can get one kill and then AFK and get no less than 100,000 ISK depending on match length. Someone else can do 30 times as good, and MIGHT get 300,000 ISK depending on what he kills.
3) I've observed the payout reward everyone equally based on time spent in battle at something like 100ISK/second. The remaining pool of isk seems to divide based on the %age of WP you receive in matches.
4) So to increase your isk you; a) kill more expensive stuff and b) get the biggest chunk of WP on your team you can.
5) The current model makes it relatively impossible to make proto dropsuit losses unrecoverable, assuming the other team IS using equally valuable gear.
Pay attention to the upcoming matchmaking system. One thing that makes proto-stomping viable is that it is still easy for 2-3 players get 50%-75% of the wp for their team, getting them much bigger payouts. However, if your team can still pubstomp, but everyone scores similar amounts, income WILL be spread evenly and profit margins will dip. This will be mroe likely in more balanced matches.
Balanced matchmade teams will be the biggest nerf to proto gear not only because it will mean facing stiffer competition, but also because profit margins for top players will be forced to be shared more. |
Rage Racer
DUST University Irregulars
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:48:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:What about officer gear and rich corps who can afford to run it 24/7? They should not be able to afford to run it 23/7, period. Losing a protosuit should matter to you. CCP wanted to balance tiers by ISK but obviously they completely failed.
I don't care what has to be done to get rid of proto squads stomping pubmatches but something HAS to be done. And matchmaking will not be the solution to solves this, it will only hide what really is wrong with this system at the moment from new players.
The best solution would obvisously be the removal of the current tier system and the introduction of a system where more advanced gear makes you better in CERTAIN situations instead of plain all situations. |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:55:00 -
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Rage Racer wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:What about officer gear and rich corps who can afford to run it 24/7? They should not be able to afford to run it 23/7, period. Losing a protosuit should matter to you. CCP wanted to balance tiers by ISK but obviously they completely failed. I don't care what has to be done to get rid of proto squads stomping pubmatches but something HAS to be done. And matchmaking will not be the solution to solves this, it will only hide what really is wrong with this system at the moment from new players. The best solution would obvisously be the removal of the current tier system and the introduction of a system where more advanced gear makes you better in CERTAIN situations instead of plain all situations.
Wouldn't that be P2W? |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:55:00 -
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Rage Racer wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:What about officer gear and rich corps who can afford to run it 24/7? They should not be able to afford to run it 23/7, period. Losing a protosuit should matter to you. CCP wanted to balance tiers by ISK but obviously they completely failed. I don't care what has to be done to get rid of proto squads stomping pubmatches but something HAS to be done. And matchmaking will not be the solution to solves this, it will only hide what really is wrong with this system at the moment from new players. The best solution would obvisously be the removal of the current tier system and the introduction of a system where more advanced gear makes you better in CERTAIN situations instead of plain all situations.
Matchmaking SHOULD change the use of PRO gear here in 1.4 a bit. See my above posts. |
Rage Racer
DUST University Irregulars
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Posted - 2013.08.30 12:10:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Wouldn't that be P2W? What the **** are you even talking about? |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.08.30 12:37:00 -
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Rage Racer wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Wouldn't that be P2W? What the **** are you even talking about?
Rage Racer wrote: The best solution would obvisously be the removal of the current tier system and the introduction of a system where more advanced gear makes you better in CERTAIN situations instead of plain all situations.
This maybe? |
Rage Racer
DUST University Irregulars
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Posted - 2013.08.30 12:42:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:This maybe? If you keep throwing stupid one-liners at me instead of explaining what your point is I will just assume that you are trolling and stop talking to you. |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.08.30 12:46:00 -
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Rage Racer wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:This maybe? If you keep throwing stupid one-liners at me instead of explaining what your point is I will just assume that you are trolling and stop talking to you.
Yea, go back to the University. You are not ready. I said paying to have and advantage is PWT. Seen you cannot comprehend that. Come back when you have enough credits. |
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