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Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.08.30 09:17:00 -
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I going to be a bit twisted and connect this thread with this one ;
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=105679&find=unread
The answer is in the mentality show in that thread .... Best players are not the ones with the best skills, but the ones with the BEST equipment. That is the reason why CCP is having problems balancing this game.. some of the so considered BEST players, are just people that can afford the best equipment in regular basics, take that away... and most of them will be very average players. |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.08.30 09:49:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:I going to be a bit twisted and connect this thread with this one ; https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=105679&find=unreadThe answer is in the mentality show in that thread .... Best players are not the ones with the best skills, but the ones with the BEST equipment. That is the reason why CCP is having problems balancing this game.. some of the so considered BEST players, are just people that can afford the best equipment in regular basics, take that away... and most of them will be very average players. When the SP total people had including me was sub 1m sp back at the start of the game my scores where cosistently in the 25-30+ kills sub 3 deaths a match, this continued well into the 10-12m SP mark, it was far easier to beat double stacked teams back then, because of the time it took to kill one of them was faster then most of them could react, right now with piled Proto-gear a team of 6 has ample time to react to an ambush done by 1 guy before their buddy drops, going straight up unless you score a headshot is suicide because you almost cannot kill someone fast enough before the rest reacts, all he has to do is run for the hills and your forced to swap target and again and again, until their leapfrog tactic carries them to your position. Or they all chuck explosives your way and yer screwed regardless of using cover. Proto-gear should not be sustainable at all even if you only die once in a blue moon, and this is me saying it while using protogear 24/7 with 300m in my bank and dying very little with well over 19m sp..
The bottom line is;
- It should be LOTS of standard gear variations, cheap and affordable.
- AVD gear should became what Proto gear is right now, a suit design for Competitive game play, with enough variations to keep people interested.
- Prototype gear should be a "Special" suit... a bit like a combat boost skill.. something that you only use in extreme circumstances as a "God Mode" option. |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.08.30 10:19:00 -
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Either you close the gap between AVD and Proto gear... so Prototype equipment is Affordable for "everyone", or you make Prototype equipment so costly, that only "very few people" can afforded in PC battles. |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.08.30 10:37:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Quote:First off if you think you are special with 300mil I have the same and i'm not impressed. Second off **** eve. I do not care what fittings they have to go through for SPACESHIPS much less the cost. This is a FPS shooter where you die more than mining in space. Losses will occur, making them cost multi-millions will only hurt the poor and less skilled. This is not eve. Guess you want the advantage? Mining in space is a whole lot more costly then dying a few times in a protosuit, they make maximum an 11m per hour and their ship costs 200-700m, they also get blown up quite often by gankers. Ive had 300m ISK since well before Uprising.... For me, i dont need the advantage, but idd really like to feel the thrill of not trying to die and finally getting the adrenaline shot when i do die, witch in eve when you head into low sec with a 1b isk fitted ships accompanies you automatically. you maybe dont want to admit it, but theres Eve right ABOVE the dust logo, so ******* eve makes no sense.. Guess you don't want to admit there is no connection to eve atm. Seems that slips by you. Again, For those such as ourselves the only people we are hurting by raising prices is those who are less skilled and the poor agreed? So why do it?
Yes and No ...Lets say that a Proto suit cost you 2,000,000 isk (without modules or weapons) for how long you think you can use it, before it becomes totally unaffordable ? eventually you will be forced to use it only in PC battles.. now and again. |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.08.30 10:49:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Quote:First off if you think you are special with 300mil I have the same and i'm not impressed. Second off **** eve. I do not care what fittings they have to go through for SPACESHIPS much less the cost. This is a FPS shooter where you die more than mining in space. Losses will occur, making them cost multi-millions will only hurt the poor and less skilled. This is not eve. Guess you want the advantage? Mining in space is a whole lot more costly then dying a few times in a protosuit, they make maximum an 11m per hour and their ship costs 200-700m, they also get blown up quite often by gankers. Ive had 300m ISK since well before Uprising.... For me, i dont need the advantage, but idd really like to feel the thrill of not trying to die and finally getting the adrenaline shot when i do die, witch in eve when you head into low sec with a 1b isk fitted ships accompanies you automatically. you maybe dont want to admit it, but theres Eve right ABOVE the dust logo, so ******* eve makes no sense.. Guess you don't want to admit there is no connection to eve atm. Seems that slips by you. Again, For those such as ourselves the only people we are hurting by raising prices is those who are less skilled and the poor agreed? So why do it? Yes and No ...Lets say that a Proto suit cost you 2,000,000 isk (without modules or weapons) for how long you think you can use it, before it becomes totally unaffordable ? eventually you will be forced to use it only in PC battles.. now and again. So Eon will rule forever? I can play vagina if I have too but that's not my play style. So how will the less skilled ever use it?
Not even Eon will be available to afford 2,000,000+ isk suits in every match.. think about it..
2,500,000 isk ( For example ) x 16 players = 40,000,000 isk .... die a couple of times and ..80,000,000 isk. |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.08.30 10:59:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:
Not even Eon will be available to afford 2,000,000+ isk suits in every match.. think about it..
2,500,000 isk ( For example ) x 16 players = 40,000,000 isk .... die a couple of times and ..80,000,000 isk.
Considering they are the richest with BILLIONS we are among the broke ones?
You could potentially drain their isk battle after battle...eventually they will have to give up planets and systems because it will became "unaffordable" and impossible to maintain. |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:14:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:t Panther Alpha wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:
Not even Eon will be available to afford 2,000,000+ isk suits in every match.. think about it..
2,500,000 isk ( For example ) x 16 players = 40,000,000 isk .... die a couple of times and ..80,000,000 isk.
Considering they are the richest with BILLIONS we are among the broke ones? You could potentially drain their isk battle after battle...eventually the will have to give up planets and systems because it will became "unaffordable" and impossible to maintain. It's possible but not likely. They have depth to make any no name corp. a contender. Plus ATM they have the ISK to lock them down so they wont be lost.
Well... it seems that what we need is a strong anti-Eon Alliance.. a World War 1 ( WW1 ) The first New Eden World War |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:26:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:[quote=JL3Eleven]t[quote=Panther Alpha][quote=JL3Eleven] Well... it seems that what we need is a strong anti-Eon Alliance.. a World War 1 ( WW1 ) The first New Eden World War For real? We just had that.
Really ? ... i wasn't very effective then .... You need to get everyone involved, including small corps and individual players. Maybe have CCP put it in the "News Screen"  |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:41:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Really ? ... it wasn't very effective then .... You need to get everyone involved, including small corps and individual players. Maybe have CCP put it in the "News Screen" Seriously? You must not be in the know.
I know some of the big Corps united against Eon... but that isn't total unification.. this is when the famous EvE lore should come into play strongly... total unification against them... the Liberation of New Eden... the Fight for equality ...
I don't know.. some of that crap... |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:05:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:I going to be a bit twisted and connect this thread with this one ; https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=105679&find=unreadThe answer is in the mentality show in that thread .... Best players are not the ones with the best skills, but the ones with the BEST equipment. That is the reason why CCP is having problems balancing this game.. some of the so considered BEST players, are just people that can afford the best equipment in regular basics, take that away... and most of them will be very average players. When the SP total people had including me was sub 1m sp back at the start of the game my scores where cosistently in the 25-30+ kills sub 3 deaths a match, this continued well into the 10-12m SP mark, it was far easier to beat double stacked teams back then, because of the time it took to kill one of them was faster then most of them could react, right now with piled Proto-gear a team of 6 has ample time to react to an ambush done by 1 guy before their buddy drops, going straight up unless you score a headshot is suicide because you almost cannot kill someone fast enough before the rest reacts, all he has to do is run for the hills and your forced to swap target and again and again, until their leapfrog tactic carries them to your position. Or they all chuck explosives your way and yer screwed regardless of using cover. Proto-gear should not be sustainable at all even if you only die once in a blue moon, and this is me saying it while using protogear 24/7 with 300m in my bank and dying very little with well over 19m sp.. The bottom line is; - It should be LOTS of standard gear variations, cheap and affordable. - AVD gear should became what Proto gear is right now, a suit design for Competitive game play, with enough variations to keep people interested. - Prototype gear should be a "Special" suit... a bit like a combat boost skill.. something that you only use in extreme circumstances as a "God Mode" option. "Proto is cool and all, but give the rich and powerful something even more awesome only they can afford!!!" is what you are suggesting. I can smell the tears already. This ... this is awesome. lmao Shhh. Don't drop the knowledge bomb their heads might explode.
Yeah... greed is a powerful force, some people have set their standards so high.. that they will blow away Billions of isk to keep their illusion going...Then the final laugh will be with us, the sensible people.
The expression ; "digging your own grave", seems to be very accurate. |
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Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.08.30 14:10:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:I'm guessing the OP does not realize he would only be hurting the average to sub-par players. Not to mention the poor folk. Killers will always be killers yo. No all those people that have dominated the game (even after resets) are just being carrying by SP. I've never been a part of any other gaming community forum, but this one has a good share of stupid people in it. I can't afford to run proto all the time and I've been running around a 3.0 since Uprising hit. If you can't run a profit at 3.0 then it's certainly not some big problem. I think the prices of suits needs to go down in order to keep people fighting in the pub matches. There's just not much incentive to fight in a competitive pub match if you can go 20-4 in ADV gear and not turn a profit. And to the stupid bastard that wants to raise the price of equipment..... REALLY??? You want less ammo and spawn points on the battlefield? I just.... I can't.... WHY?
WoW ! ... the problem is BIG corps that can afford to run Proto all the time....I already accepted the fact that i CAN'T run Proto constantly, but is nothing stopping big corps from constantly Pubstomping battles. Higher Proto prices will force Corps to use Prototype Equipment only in PC battles, making casual play more enjoyable.
I am seriously the only one in this Forums that can see this ? |
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