When the SP total people had including me was sub 1m sp back at the start of the game my scores where cosistently in the 25-30+ kills sub 3 deaths a match, this continued well into the 10-12m SP mark, it was far easier to beat double stacked teams back then, because of the time it took to kill one of them was faster then most of them could react, right now with piled Proto-gear a team of 6 has ample time to react to an ambush done by 1 guy before their buddy drops, going straight up unless you score a headshot is suicide because you almost cannot kill someone fast enough before the rest reacts, all he has to do is run for the hills and your forced to swap target and again and again, until their leapfrog tactic carries them to your position.

Or they all chuck explosives your way and yer screwed regardless of using cover.

Proto-gear should not be sustainable at all even if you only die once in a blue moon, and this is me saying it while using protogear 24/7 with 300m in my bank and dying very little with well over 19m sp..

It's the reason most of my ADV fits have RE's or locus nades.

Not sure where i am kidding myself when i am sitting on 300m ISK ...

also as someone who plays EVE, if Officer gear is an indication there, it will be 1-2% better then Tech II but cost 100 times more, and we dont even have Tech II stuff yet, you also forgot Faction gear being there inbetween Tech II skill and Officer gear.



This was how i thought it was going to be with Eves Risk vs reward and the Don't fly what you cant replace.

Right now i can replace 1500 suits,on average i die once a match, sometimes go streaks of 0 deaths then nick 2-3 in the same game, so ill be stocked to go for another 1000-1500 mathches in the same proto-suit by that time ill be again sitting another 300m since it never goes up or down.

But yeah, risk vs reward right ?

Mining in space is a whole lot more costly then dying a few times in a protosuit, they make maximum an 11m per hour and their ship costs 200-700m, they also get blown up quite often by gankers.

Ive had 300m ISK since well before Uprising....

For me, i dont need the advantage, but idd really like to feel the thrill of not trying to die and finally getting the adrenaline shot when i do die, witch in eve when you head into low sec with a 1b isk fitted ships accompanies you automatically.

you maybe dont want to admit it, but theres Eve right ABOVE the dust logo, so ******* eve makes no sense..

Yes and No ...Lets say that a Proto suit cost you 2,000,000 isk (without modules or weapons) for how long you think you can use it, before it becomes totally unaffordable ? eventually you will be forced to use it only in PC battles.. now and again.

Not very long, it would then become a choice to use and your choice alone to loose it, noone would be able to use proto 24/7, i would crack one out if i saw an old rival on the field, but right now for me a Protosuit = standard while the Average guy runs inferiour suits.

Someone that dies 10 times on average can in no way use proto even at a low cost of 200k isk anyways, so even if they want to its already out of reach, while we run it 24/7.

Not even Eon will be available to afford 2,000,000+ isk suits in every match.. think about it..

2,500,000 isk ( For example ) x 16 players = 40,000,000 isk .... die a couple of times and ..80,000,000 isk.

sounds like you would be pretty b*tth*rt from loosing your suit huh?

You got a 12 year old syndrome or something ? those billions will evaporate really really fast and will normalize in a couple of weeks, as it is right now they will keep piling on billions and billions without ever loosing a single one of them.

You could potentially drain their isk battle after battle...eventually the will have to give up planets and systems because it will became "unaffordable" and impossible to maintain.

And why would i be new or what would suggest i am new,?, i dont do PC battles so i wouldnt know who rules and i wont care until it gets a real connection to eve, some people have tried hiring me in a past but it wasnt in my timezone.

And why would i be new or what would suggest i am new,?, i dont do PC battles so i wouldnt know who rules and i wont care until it gets a real connection to eve, some people have tried hiring me in a past but it wasnt in my timezone.

That and 13ear used to send me fanmail when i played regurly against them, so yeah not so new.

Well... it seems that what we need is a strong anti-Eon Alliance.. a World War 1 ( WW1 ) The first New Eden World War

Really ? ... i wasn't very effective then .... You need to get everyone involved, including small corps and individual players. Maybe have CCP put it in the "News Screen"

Prototype equipment should be so rare that you'll never see it used in pubmatches at all.

Advanced gear should be so expensive that dying once or twice in a pubmatch makes you lose money.

Standard gear should be, you know, the STANDARD, not prototype gear.

What about officer gear and rich corps who can afford to run it 24/7?

I know some of the big Corps united against Eon... but that isn't total unification.. this is when the famous EvE lore should come into play strongly... total unification against them... the Liberation of New Eden... the Fight for equality ... I don't know.. some of that crap...

What the **** are you even talking about?

The best solution would obvisously be the removal of the current tier system and the introduction of a system where more advanced gear makes you better in CERTAIN situations instead of plain all situations.

If you keep throwing stupid one-liners at me instead of explaining what your point is I will just assume that you are trolling and stop talking to you.

"Proto is cool and all, but give the rich and powerful something even more awesome only they can afford!!!" is what you are suggesting. I can smell the tears already.

This ... this is awesome. lmao

I've been playing this game since August 2012, kid.

What you are talking about does not make any sense and I think you just realised this yourself.

The way the system works at the moment is you pay more ISK to get gear that makes you just plain better than people who use inferior gear. What I and many others suggest is that instead of protogear making you better in everything it should only make you better in fulfilling certain roles. How is that P2W?

[quote=JL3Eleven]I'm guessing the OP does not realize he would only be hurting the average to sub-par players. Not to mention the poor folk. Killers will always be killers yo.

WoW ! ... the problem is BIG corps that can afford to run Proto all the time....I already accepted the fact that i CAN'T run Proto constantly, but is nothing stopping big corps from constantly Pubstomping battles. Higher Proto prices will force Corps to use Prototype Equipment only in PC battles, making casual play more enjoyable.

I am seriously the only one in this Forums that can see this ?

A full proto suit should cost 2-3 mills (gear and all), simply cuz they can outtake 10 to 20 full ADV dGÇÖs (same gear and all), in well about 200-300k ISK each, in almost all encounters, while team efforts are a whole another story, warfare tactics and such.

Should be..
Full **** = 1 GÇô 10k
Full STND =10 GÇô 50k
Full ADV = 100 GÇô 500k
Full PRO = 1 GÇô 5 mills
.. fair enough.

That way ADV would be the top players standard, the most balanced gear the game has right now (in reward/cost); only benefits could come out of these and it certainly would diminish some of the big issues going on these days.

PC also plays a big part in all of these and matchmaking needs to keep track of: ISK founds of each player - kdr - input (ds3 or kbm) - and allocated sp.