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Rei Shepard
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Posted - 2013.08.30 09:10:00 -
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I wouldnt mind seeing cost of all equipment go x10.
If my dropsuit costed 2.150.000 Isk vs now 215.000 isk, i sure as hell wont be able to use Proto 24/7 and idd lost one, idd whimper, imagine loosing 6.5m isk a match if you get creamed 3 times lol.
At least we would get some Milage out of Standard & Advanced this way with a whole array of diffrent equiped people, vs now suits stacked with every Proto item that fits, and if it doesnt Tape it. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.08.30 09:35:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:I going to be a bit twisted and connect this thread with this one ; https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=105679&find=unreadThe answer is in the mentality show in that thread .... Best players are not the ones with the best skills, but the ones with the BEST equipment. That is the reason why CCP is having problems balancing this game.. some of the so considered BEST players, are just people that can afford the best equipment in regular basics, take that away... and most of them will be very average players.
When the SP total people had including me was sub 1m sp back at the start of the game my scores where cosistently in the 25-30+ kills sub 3 deaths a match, this continued well into the 10-12m SP mark, it was far easier to beat double stacked teams back then, because of the time it took to kill one of them was faster then most of them could react, right now with piled Proto-gear a team of 6 has ample time to react to an ambush done by 1 guy before their buddy drops, going straight up unless you score a headshot is suicide because you almost cannot kill someone fast enough before the rest reacts, all he has to do is run for the hills and your forced to swap target and again and again, until their leapfrog tactic carries them to your position.
Or they all chuck explosives your way and yer screwed regardless of using cover.
Proto-gear should not be sustainable at all even if you only die once in a blue moon, and this is me saying it while using protogear 24/7 with 300m in my bank and dying very little with well over 19m sp..
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.08.30 10:00:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:I going to be a bit twisted and connect this thread with this one ; https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=105679&find=unreadThe answer is in the mentality show in that thread .... Best players are not the ones with the best skills, but the ones with the BEST equipment. That is the reason why CCP is having problems balancing this game.. some of the so considered BEST players, are just people that can afford the best equipment in regular basics, take that away... and most of them will be very average players. When the SP total people had including me was sub 1m sp back at the start of the game my scores where cosistently in the 25-30+ kills sub 3 deaths a match, this continued well into the 10-12m SP mark, it was far easier to beat double stacked teams back then, because of the time it took to kill one of them was faster then most of them could react, right now with piled Proto-gear a team of 6 has ample time to react to an ambush done by 1 guy before their buddy drops, going straight up unless you score a headshot is suicide because you almost cannot kill someone fast enough before the rest reacts, all he has to do is run for the hills and your forced to swap target and again and again, until their leapfrog tactic carries them to your position. Or they all chuck explosives your way and yer screwed regardless of using cover. Proto-gear should not be sustainable at all even if you only die once in a blue moon, and this is me saying it while using protogear 24/7 with 300m in my bank and dying very little with well over 19m sp.. You do realize officer suits will one day be available right? Most people are poor enough. Several granted have multi-millions to spend but they are few. P.S. Don't kidd yourself two deaths and you lose ISK running proto.
Not sure where i am kidding myself when i am sitting on 300m ISK ...
also as someone who plays EVE, if Officer gear is an indication there, it will be 1-2% better then Tech II but cost 100 times more, and we dont even have Tech II stuff yet, you also forgot Faction gear being there inbetween Tech II skill and Officer gear.
Quote:The bottom line is;
- It should be LOTS of standard gear variations, cheap and affordable.
- AVD gear should became what Proto gear is right now, a suit design for Competitive game play, with enough variations to keep people interested.
- Prototype gear should be a "Special" suit... a bit like a combat boost skill.. something that you only use in extreme circumstances as a "God Mode" option.
This was how i thought it was going to be with Eves Risk vs reward and the Don't fly what you cant replace.
Right now i can replace 1500 suits,on average i die once a match, sometimes go streaks of 0 deaths then nick 2-3 in the same game, so ill be stocked to go for another 1000-1500 mathches in the same proto-suit by that time ill be again sitting another 300m since it never goes up or down.
But yeah, risk vs reward right ?
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.08.30 10:24:00 -
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Quote:First off if you think you are special with 300mil I have the same and i'm not impressed. Second off **** eve. I do not care what fittings they have to go through for SPACESHIPS much less the cost. This is a FPS shooter where you die more than mining in space. Losses will occur, making them cost multi-millions will only hurt the poor and less skilled. This is not eve. Guess you want the advantage?
Mining in space is a whole lot more costly then dying a few times in a protosuit, they make maximum an 11m per hour and their ship costs 200-700m, they also get blown up quite often by gankers.
Ive had 300m ISK since well before Uprising....
For me, i dont need the advantage, but idd really like to feel the thrill of not trying to die and finally getting the adrenaline shot when i do die, witch in eve when you head into low sec with a 1b isk fitted ships accompanies you automatically.
you maybe dont want to admit it, but theres Eve right ABOVE the dust logo, so ******* eve makes no sense..
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.08.30 10:48:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Quote:First off if you think you are special with 300mil I have the same and i'm not impressed. Second off **** eve. I do not care what fittings they have to go through for SPACESHIPS much less the cost. This is a FPS shooter where you die more than mining in space. Losses will occur, making them cost multi-millions will only hurt the poor and less skilled. This is not eve. Guess you want the advantage? Mining in space is a whole lot more costly then dying a few times in a protosuit, they make maximum an 11m per hour and their ship costs 200-700m, they also get blown up quite often by gankers. Ive had 300m ISK since well before Uprising.... For me, i dont need the advantage, but idd really like to feel the thrill of not trying to die and finally getting the adrenaline shot when i do die, witch in eve when you head into low sec with a 1b isk fitted ships accompanies you automatically. you maybe dont want to admit it, but theres Eve right ABOVE the dust logo, so ******* eve makes no sense.. Guess you don't want to admit there is no connection to eve atm. Seems that slips by you. Again, For those such as ourselves the only people we are hurting by raising prices is those who are less skilled and the poor agreed? So why do it? Yes and No ...Lets say that a Proto suit cost you 2,000,000 isk (without modules or weapons) for how long you think you can use it, before it becomes totally unaffordable ? eventually you will be forced to use it only in PC battles.. now and again.
Not very long, it would then become a choice to use and your choice alone to loose it, noone would be able to use proto 24/7, i would crack one out if i saw an old rival on the field, but right now for me a Protosuit = standard while the Average guy runs inferiour suits.
Someone that dies 10 times on average can in no way use proto even at a low cost of 200k isk anyways, so even if they want to its already out of reach, while we run it 24/7.
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.08.30 10:53:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Quote:First off if you think you are special with 300mil I have the same and i'm not impressed. Second off **** eve. I do not care what fittings they have to go through for SPACESHIPS much less the cost. This is a FPS shooter where you die more than mining in space. Losses will occur, making them cost multi-millions will only hurt the poor and less skilled. This is not eve. Guess you want the advantage? Mining in space is a whole lot more costly then dying a few times in a protosuit, they make maximum an 11m per hour and their ship costs 200-700m, they also get blown up quite often by gankers. Ive had 300m ISK since well before Uprising.... For me, i dont need the advantage, but idd really like to feel the thrill of not trying to die and finally getting the adrenaline shot when i do die, witch in eve when you head into low sec with a 1b isk fitted ships accompanies you automatically. you maybe dont want to admit it, but theres Eve right ABOVE the dust logo, so ******* eve makes no sense.. Guess you don't want to admit there is no connection to eve atm. Seems that slips by you. Again, For those such as ourselves the only people we are hurting by raising prices is those who are less skilled and the poor agreed? So why do it? Yes and No ...Lets say that a Proto suit cost you 2,000,000 isk (without modules or weapons) for how long you think you can use it, before it becomes totally unaffordable ? eventually you will be forced to use it only in PC battles.. now and again. So Eon will rule forever? I can play vagina if I have too but that's not my play style. So how will the less skilled ever use it?
sounds like you would be pretty b*tth*rt from loosing your suit huh? |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.08.30 10:57:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:
Not even Eon will be available to afford 2,000,000+ isk suits in every match.. think about it..
2,500,000 isk ( For example ) x 16 players = 40,000,000 isk .... die a couple of times and ..80,000,000 isk.
Considering they are the richest with BILLIONS we are among the broke ones?
You got a 12 year old syndrome or something ? those billions will evaporate really really fast and will normalize in a couple of weeks, as it is right now they will keep piling on billions and billions without ever loosing a single one of them. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:06:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:
Not even Eon will be available to afford 2,000,000+ isk suits in every match.. think about it..
2,500,000 isk ( For example ) x 16 players = 40,000,000 isk .... die a couple of times and ..80,000,000 isk.
Considering they are the richest with BILLIONS we are among the broke ones? You got a 12 year old syndrome or something ? those billions will evaporate really really fast and will normalize in a couple of weeks, as it is right now they will keep piling on billions and billions without ever loosing a single one of them. LOL. I know you are not new. Everyone agrees Eon run it right now. Untill you get gud they will continue. Got it?
And why would i be new or what would suggest i am new,?, i dont do PC battles so i wouldnt know who rules and i wont care until it gets a real connection to eve, some people have tried hiring me in a past but it wasnt in my timezone. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:14:00 -
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Just sayin...and? |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:34:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Proto should NOT cost more...yet...
I took out a 130k suit once and got sniped straight away.
Would people play this game if they could lose a couple MILLION ISK to getting run over or sniped?
It would still be their choice to actually use it, its like my museum piece of a ship i have in eve, i keep upgrading and tweaking it but never take it out for a drive :) but we are talking about a cost in Billions more then was EON has total most likely.
but to answer the question, i would, the more i fear of dying in a game the more real and fun it gets for me. |
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.08.30 11:40:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:ill be blunt on this topic, i drop proto suits within seconds with my shotgun/smg/ar. If youre really having trouble killing protos, youre bad at the game. Plus proto gear is something post chromosome players look foward to and a journey of grind to earn. A new player finally gets a decent protofit after months of grinding and uses it to experience the payoff for his grind.
So he scraps up lol2million isk for his suit alone with some adv mods and goes into battle.First thing when he spawns he gets hit by an OB. Instant death. So he grinds 10 matches (assuming hes earning roughly 200,000 a game) enough for another proto. He goes into battle, spawns on bravo and gets completely owned by an Adv assault forge from the heavens. See where im going with this? 2 millions isk just to last a few extra seconds? No
Your oblivious to the frase, dont use what you cant afford to loose in the eve universe ?....
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