Just saw Jason Pearson in a skirmish match I was AFKing in, he was in his gunnlogi (solo tanking from what I could tell).

Figured I would share the post-match results, which does paint a pretty good picture of how hard tankers have it right now.

http://i.imgur.com/FYPMIue.jpg

I can only imagine how many militia swarms were making his life miserable in that match.

hes one of the best tankers in the game where there is only 20 or so good tankers running a full buffer tank, of course the ****** ass red dots of murica server arnt smart enough to blow him up with militia forge like i just did

hes one of the best tankers in the game where there is only 20 or so good tankers running a full buffer tank, of course the ****** ass red dots of murica server arnt smart enough to blow him up with militia forge like i just did

hes one of the best tankers in the game where there is only 20 or so good tankers running a full buffer tank, of course the ****** ass red dots of murica server arnt smart enough to blow him up with militia forge like i just did

This is like saying a scout suits not up by getting the same score. Same logic lol

This is like saying a scout suits not up by getting the same score. Same logic lol

Huh?

Maple was using his shotgun that round, and he did pretty well for himself (not sure if he was in a scout suit though).

The thing that makes this interesting, Jason is one of the leaders of AV QQ, yet it seems he does just fine for himself. Aside from possibly having maple in his squad, this wasn't even a proto squad-stomp match, he could have been solo for all I know, yet he still dominated.

Have to agree Av players dont only have to deal with the tank. Alot of times they must aswell deal with the infantry running around it. And a guy with a swarm launcher is a easy picking for some 1 with a AR.

Its a pubmatch buddy. We dont all have a hard time in those....

So if tanks get buffed, they will be (even more) invincible in pub matches cause they are so easy.

I understand.

Mr djin leukoplast just stop ......... stop right there. How many dedicated av were on field ??? Oh thats right you wont know because you were afk . Ill tell you the only way us tankers get scores like that is if were met with malitia av and no higher so try again. Yoi certainly are still feeling the good ol hav piles arnt you. Maby if you wernt such a ***** and helpwd your team he might have lost his tank but you desifed to afk because you didnt want any more hav but hurt .

Not exactly. But having only a side arm is definitely a draw back (one that tankers don't take into account while crying to everyone that there are people in the game that can fight them.)

A decent SMG is good for medium/close range fighting. Its the lack of being able to swap to a side arm, especially with this hit detection BS that is the real kick to the balls for AV players.

I guess I could have rammed his tank with an LAV, other than that kinda hard to hurt friendly tankers (I was on his team).

And I thought militia AV was OP against tanks and vehicles? So it's not? And dedicated AV is now required to take out tanks?

Hmm, that is quite a different picture than what the AV QQ threads are painting.

Is a beast player not already close to invincible with the sp gap and skill level difference?

So if tanks get buffed, they will be (even more) invincible in pub matches cause they are so easy.

I understand.

Poor baby you have to actually stop what you doing. Sorry nemo swim away please... The fact that you can toss a nade that does more damage than my 40 ton railgun preety much is enough said...

35/0 , yes they have it hard

Stop driving close enough to get nailed by nades, then you can stop crying about getting hit by nades.

lol. I can tell you exactly how much AV there was that match: one Soma with a missile turret. With two tanks rolling around on our side.

Get down onto the battlefield next time.

EDITed cos I'm apparently unable to spell.

Says the guy who has to drop 600k sp to take out 15 mil sp tanks solo

neither your ranting about tanks being balanced nor tankers qq about AV will change CCPs course in regards to future patches, they look at the data and do whatever they think is appropriate, now that the reasonable reply is out of the way, QQ moar you douche-bag, tanker had a good game against ppl who were clearly crap, ppl post the same scores with sniper rifles and ARs.

you are living in a fantasy world

Do people with sniper rifles and AR's complain that they are UP? I would sure hope not.

Says the guy who has to drop 600k sp to take out 15 mil sp tanks solo

So are you play a pc match

Im crying

Probably gotta agree with you on that one.

So what's the problem, tanks require skill to do well in. Or do we want to make tanks easy-street so anybody could call one in and become invincible?

Do people with sniper rifles and AR's complain that they are UP? I would sure hope not.

You're so full of **** I can smell it from here.

Let's repeat this all out loud together.
Only bad tankers get killed by solo AVers.

It seriously takes ever single swarm shot I have, at proto with multiple damage mods, to kill most tanks. Not to mention shield tanks and LLAVs are basically invincible to it. Especially considering how slow swarm missiles fly and how they track directly which leads to them flying right into everything but the target.

Said it before, I'm sure I'll say it again. Tankers are the biggest cry babies.

yes what are you who

lol. I can tell you exactly how much AV there was that match: one Soma with a missile turret. With two tanks rolling around on our side.

Get down onto the battlefield next time.

EDITed cos I'm apparently unable to spell.

CCP Rejavik
CCP Shanghia

Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

Low skilled tankers have it hard.

High skilled tankers just faceroll to victory.

Holy **** i guess ill explain a simple concept. This is like saying a scout suit (weak suit) is not UP (underpowered) by getting same score (35-0).

The logic behind this statement is skill can produce these numbers even if the equipment used isn't up to par with other things.

Stay in school kids..

How do you expect players to get good if you make it unenjoyable and utterly self defeating to skill into and use?

Obi calling a foul here. No tacit linking of HAV and scout suits. There is an issue with scout suits all around. HAVs are a far more complicated matter that can't be solved by nerfing AV and/or buffing power grid. Because unlike scout suits a HAV can dominate battle.

Hi, thanks for grabbing this picture, as you cannot see it, I had Exmaple, Spkr4thedead and Lorhak in my Squad

Exmaple was next to my tank constantly in a scout shotgun fit, he was rinsing the AVers
Spkr4thedead was running a rep tank and was constantly hitting me up
Lorhak was off doing his thing with Exmaple.

I had a pure buffer tank, unable to rep itself or support my Logi Tank, I had idiots rushing my tank with AV Nades and Militia Swarms, and I'm pretty sure this was an American server, as the skill level of the AVers dropped immensely.

(Next match I went 9/0 because AV pinned me down, in the end I switched to a Sniper Rifle.)

So to clarify, I was in a squad working together with good players who understand how to tank, I had a player purely dedicated to me as well as killing turrets. We were fighting people with barely any AV otherwise I'd be dead.

its called a learning process

Sounds like there was plenty of AV, but since you had a tank-support squad it was nullified. ie, working as intended.

So what is the problem with tanks vs AV again?

Just because you are in a tank , it doesnt mean you have to be invincible.

Just because your infantry doesn't mean you should defeat everything easily.

Take a bath

It seems like the other team did really badly, probably because you weren't out there to help them. Think that might have had anything to do with it?

Omg someone went 35/0, whatever they are using is obviously OP.

By you're logic the Plasma Cannon is OP because my friend can go 32/1 with it. Stop whining about losing, especially when you are AFKing, it really makes you look like scum

By you're logic the Plasma Cannon is OP because my friend can go 32/1 with it. Stop whining about losing, especially when you are AFKing, it really makes you look like scum

It seems like the other team did really badly, probably because you weren't out there to help them. Think that might have had anything to do with it?

Omg someone went 35/0, whatever they are using is obviously OP.

By you're logic the Plasma Cannon is OP because my friend can go 32/1 with it. Stop whining about losing, especially when you are AFKing, it really makes you look like scum

Just saw Jason Pearson in a skirmish match I was AFKing in, he was in his gunnlogi (solo tanking from what I could tell).

Figured I would share the post-match results, which does paint a pretty good picture of how hard tankers have it right now.

http://i.imgur.com/FYPMIue.jpg

I can only imagine how many militia swarms were making his life miserable in that match.

Nobody respond to him from here on out period. He isnt worth your time. He is simply a wanna be troll. Someone with the mind of a child that gets entertainment out of others because his life must be lacking of it.

Just because your infantry doesn't mean you should defeat everything easily.

Read the thread, I was on Jason's team.

And 32/1 with the PC, I'd love to see that. Not doubting it's possible, but probably quite difficult to pull off on a regular basis.

I guess I could have rammed his tank with an LAV, other than that kinda hard to hurt friendly tankers (I was on his team).

And I thought militia AV was OP against tanks and vehicles? So it's not? And dedicated AV is now required to take out tanks?

Hmm, that is quite a different picture than what the AV QQ threads are painting.

Clearly we cannot, for example Jason's support-squad was taking care of all the AV in that match.

I apologize for not reading the thread completely.

However, I still side with Jason. I used to be a tank driver, and I switched out ASAP because I learned it was a fruitless job. Making a good profit as a tanker is probably one of the hardest things in the game. Now I am mingling in AV, I find it to be much more fun and rewarding, as a single fit costs me less than 40k and I can easily die 5-6 times a match and still make a good profit. As a tanker I could only die once every 5-6 matches in order to make any money. I believe that cheaper tanks would benefit everybody involved. Tankers make money, AVers get to kill more tanks. Win Win.

Just saw Jason Pearson in a skirmish match I was AFKing in, he was in his gunnlogi (solo tanking from what I could tell).

Figured I would share the post-match results, which does paint a pretty good picture of how hard tankers have it right now.

http://i.imgur.com/FYPMIue.jpg

I can only imagine how many militia swarms were making his life miserable in that match.

Here is the problem, you should not put all your skillpoints in tanks and expect to be able to use it in every single match without dying. Use it as support for your infantry role. I cannot use my dedicated support logi in every match, depends allot on the team I am with, I also have a scout which again is not useable in all matches.
The dedicated tankers problems is that they will complain to no end if they are unable to go 20+/0 in every single match. And there must be a balance problem when someone finally manages kill one of their tanks.

Just wait until we get maps with more indoor combat and the tankers will complain they are unable to drive around inside the building.

Thats it jason, void , maple and ladwar lets set up a 5 man spider tank squad with the sole intentions of finding mr mrs leukoplast and compleatly reafirm his hav piles . Lets show him how op we can be if acctually all squad up.

Here is the problem, you should not put all your skillpoints in tanks and expect to be able to use it in every single match without dying. Use it as support for your infantry role. I cannot use my dedicated support logi in every match, depends allot on the team I am with, I also have a scout which again is not useable in all matches.
The dedicated tankers problems is that they will complain to no end if they are unable to go 20+/0 in every single match. And there must be a balance problem when someone finally manages kill one of their tanks.

Just wait until we get maps with more indoor combat and the tankers will complain they are unable to drive around inside the building.

once again, false, we don't care about the kills we get (we really want to kill other vehicles), we just care about the profit

If that is the case, then stop running tanks with expensive large proto turrets, make the tank cheaper. Add nice small turrets and efficient scanners to help out the team and let them get some of the kills and protect your tank. Do not call it in from the beginning of the match, wait and see if the opposing team is setting up tower forge and swarm launchers.

You will easily be able to make a profit if you sincerely did not care about the kills. But no, you have to install 1mill isk expensive turrets to get lots of kills. I am not running proto suits in every match as I would not make any profit. But I can use my only 600k isk expensive tank occasionally and make a profit.

if I do that, my tank wouldn't be as effective as it is.

That is the same with my logi, running advanced and basic logi suits makes me less effective than my proto logi with proto equipment and proto weapons. It is all your choice. Do not expect it to be profitable to run proto all the time, it is not supposed to be profitable running exclusively in proto equipment. Do you ever read QQ threads about proto infantry being mad at getting kille 2-3 times in their 200k+ isk expensive suits? Your proto tanks kills my proto logi in just a few shots.

don't compare vehicles to dropsuits, they are 2 different things.

No, they are not different, why should it be profitable running in proto tanks and not proto dropsuits? It does not make sense, there is a reason many infantry only run proto in PC and mostly use cheaper fits in pub matches. Why should this not apply to vehicle users? Save the expensive proto gear for PC matches and allot of isk as you will loose some, just like a proto infantry can loose 2mill isk on PC matches. And use cheaper vehicles in pub matches.

Sure you did.

*cough* liar *cough*

Took a shower

I would love to have Jason explain his position based off my reply, he was using tanks like they are supposed to be used -- with team support. Yet he QQs about AV being OP against tanks? He just said all the AV was wiped out by his tank support-squad So I ask again, what is the problem with AV vs tanks?

If I could bring in a 1+ million dropsuit, you better believe I am going to bring support. Which does work pretty well, obviously.

Or does Jason, and most other tankers, think they should be able to solo an entire team with their tank and their tank alone?

I apologize for not reading the thread completely.

However, I still side with Jason. I used to be a tank driver, and I switched out ASAP because I learned it was a fruitless job. Making a good profit as a tanker is probably one of the hardest things in the game. Now I am mingling in AV, I find it to be much more fun and rewarding, as a single fit costs me less than 40k and I can easily die 5-6 times a match and still make a good profit. As a tanker I could only die once every 5-6 matches in order to make any money. I believe that cheaper tanks would benefit everybody involved. Tankers make money, AVers get to kill more tanks. Win Win.

Hi, thanks for grabbing this picture, as you cannot see it, I had Exmaple, Spkr4thedead and Lorhak in my Squad

Exmaple was next to my tank constantly in a scout shotgun fit, he was rinsing the AVers
Spkr4thedead was running a rep tank and was constantly hitting me up
Lorhak was off doing his thing with Exmaple.

I had a pure buffer tank, unable to rep itself or support my Logi Tank, I had idiots rushing my tank with AV Nades and Militia Swarms, and I'm pretty sure this was an American server, as the skill level of the AVers dropped immensely.

(Next match I went 9/0 because AV pinned me down, in the end I switched to a Sniper Rifle.)

So to clarify, I was in a squad working together with good players who understand how to tank, I had a player purely dedicated to me as well as killing turrets. We were fighting people with barely any AV otherwise I'd be dead.

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Requoted for truth so OP can cry into his cornflakes

Sounds like there was plenty of AV, but since you had a tank-support squad it was nullified. ie, working as intended.

So what is the problem with tanks vs AV again?

Just saw Jason Pearson in a skirmish match I was AFKing in, he was in his gunnlogi (solo tanking from what I could tell).

Figured I would share the post-match results, which does paint a pretty good picture of how hard tankers have it right now.

http://i.imgur.com/FYPMIue.jpg

I can only imagine how many militia swarms were making his life miserable in that match.

Mr djin leukoplast just stop ......... stop right there. How many dedicated av were on field ??? Oh thats right you wont know because you were afk . Ill tell you the only way us tankers get scores like that is if were met with malitia av and no higher so try again. Yoi certainly are still feeling the good ol hav piles arnt you. Maby if you wernt such a ***** and helpwd your team he might have lost his tank but you desifed to afk because you didnt want any more hav but hurt .

Requoted my reply to that post to show that Jason can't defend his anti-AV stance.

Just saw Jason Pearson in a skirmish match I was AFKing in, he was in his gunnlogi (solo tanking from what I could tell).

Figured I would share the post-match results, which does paint a pretty good picture of how hard tankers have it right now.

http://i.imgur.com/FYPMIue.jpg

I can only imagine how many militia swarms were making his life miserable in that match.

If it only took one picture of an exceptional performance to establish the OP/UP of something in the game, I think most people would be able to get a weapon nerfed each week.

A couple of weeks ago I went 31/2 in a 30k light frame fitting. OP right? Nerf those damn scouts etc etc.

Alternatively we could consider the very consistent performance you have on these forums.
I.e. you're a moaning little biatch and everybody is bored of you.

Im am a tanker,and in my opinion CCP need to do is increase speed of the tanks,and restrict AV ers to go on the towers.
Bechause if youre good tank pilot you will be 70% unkillable by AV infantry.(with shield tank 90%)
In my gunnlogi fit I can drive around get like 30/0 or higher if Im constantly in the move.
But the reall threat to my tank is enemy tank.I can survive in my gunlogi like 4,5 pro swarms,or 4,5 lay day nades before im dead,
but as soon I get hitted by only one nade or swarm i will run,and that strategy saved my tank a lot of times.
Dont be a hero while in your tank,bechause you will die.

Biggest nemesis for shield tankers is another tank,for armour tank is AV player.

Actually most tankers would be happy to just not die as often. When I was a tanker I know I would have gladly lowered my damage output if I could have had more survivability. Tankers just want their expensive toys to not get blown up so easily. Not go 20/0, that's just a bonus for the good tankers.

Holy **** i guess ill explain a simple concept. This is like saying a scout suit (weak suit) is not UP (underpowered) by getting same score (35-0).

The logic behind this statement is skill can produce these numbers even if the equipment used isn't up to par with other things.

Stay in school kids..

I agree, too much moaning from everyone, including me. I started moaning as I personally got tired of going against tankers whom get 20+/0 in every ambush totally annihilating everything within sight and getting spawned killed repeatedly by the camping tank. This was not enough to get me moaning, but the moaning of the tankers complaining that not all matches ends with 20+/0 in their favor. They complain that no team mates will help fend off hostile AV while they at the same time moan about team mates jumping in their tank to use the turrets.

Once the tankers stop war point farming by destroying all structures within sight and start to help out the team I will start help them by actively risc my clone to hunt down hostile AV. I have dropships and like trying to get tower campers away. But I will not risc my clone or dropships to help any selfish tanker.

Selfish tanker, huh? I don't know if you realise, but most Depots are on major traffic routes. They change hands frequently, so much so that I can't rely on the blues to hold it consistently. If, say, I push Charlie on Line Harvest with the infantry, my best escape route is up the back road past Bravo. Right past the depot. If it 's red, I'm in great danger of things like infinite AV nades. With a hive or two, they'll restock faster than you can throw them. That means I die.

What I'm trying to say is if you infantry could consistently HOLD supply depots and turrets, we wouldn't feel the need to destroy them.

I know even if installations didn't give ridiculously high WP for destruction, I'd still kill them. What with auto-targeting, they're too dangerous to let live.

So hack them, and keep them blue.

QQ

Selfish tanker, huh? I don't know if you realise, but most Depots are on major traffic routes. They change hands frequently, so much so that I can't rely on the blues to hold it consistently. If, say, I push Charlie on Line Harvest with the infantry, my best escape route is up the back road past Bravo. Right past the depot. If it 's red, I'm in great danger of things like infinite AV nades. With a hive or two, they'll restock faster than you can throw them. That means I die.

What I'm trying to say is if you infantry could consistently HOLD supply depots and turrets, we wouldn't feel the need to destroy them.

I know even if installations didn't give ridiculously high WP for destruction, I'd still kill them. What with auto-targeting, they're too dangerous to let live.

So hack them, and keep them blue.

Says the guy who has to drop 600k sp to take out 15 mil sp tanks solo

Says the guy in a tank that can still 1 piece a 15 mil proto heavy from a hill with no SP investment whatsoever. Militia tanks bro, been seeing more of them lately since dem noobs realized they can 1 piece the proto's running amok and just dip back behind a hill. No SP, can 1 piece any infantry. Next?

Just saw Jason Pearson in a skirmish match I was AFKing in, he was in his gunnlogi (solo tanking from what I could tell).

Figured I would share the post-match results, which does paint a pretty good picture of how hard tankers have it right now.

http://i.imgur.com/FYPMIue.jpg

I can only imagine how many militia swarms were making his life miserable in that match.

I see, so only experienced/smart AVers can take out experienced tankers.

Thanks for the clarification.

Must be a lot of smart experienced AV players out there judging by the level of QQ from tankers regarding AV.

oh i see you were afking... suuuuure you were afking....uh huh....yup.....

Read the thread, I was on Jason's team.

And 32/1 with the PC, I'd love to see that. Not doubting it's possible, but probably quite difficult to pull off on a regular basis.

Sure you did.

*cough* liar *cough*

Stop driving close enough to get nailed by nades, then you can stop crying about getting hit by nades.

I see, so only experienced/smart AVers can take out experienced tankers.

Thanks for the clarification.

Must be a lot of smart experienced AV players out there judging by the level of QQ from tankers regarding AV.

You're so full of **** I can smell it from here.

Let's repeat this all out loud together.
Only bad tankers get killed by solo AVers.

It seriously takes ever single swarm shot I have, at proto with multiple damage mods, to kill most tanks. Not to mention shield tanks and LLAVs are basically invincible to it. Especially considering how slow swarm missiles fly and how they track directly which leads to them flying right into everything but the target.

Said it before, I'm sure I'll say it again. Tankers are the biggest cry babies.

Have to agree Av players dont only have to deal with the tank. Alot of times they must aswell deal with the infantry running around it. And a guy with a swarm launcher is a easy picking for some 1 with a AR.

So if tanks get buffed, they will be (even more) invincible in pub matches cause they are so easy.

I understand.

lol. I can tell you exactly how much AV there was that match: one Soma with a missile turret. With two tanks rolling around on our side.

Get down onto the battlefield next time.

EDITed cos I'm apparently unable to spell.

You're so full of **** I can smell it from here.

Let's repeat this all out loud together.
Only bad tankers get killed by solo AVers.

It seriously takes ever single swarm shot I have, at proto with multiple damage mods, to kill most tanks. Not to mention shield tanks and LLAVs are basically invincible to it. Especially considering how slow swarm missiles fly and how they track directly which leads to them flying right into everything but the target.

Said it before, I'm sure I'll say it again. Tankers are the biggest cry babies.

I'm learning but going up against 3x 1200 damange dealing Lai Dais in my, admittedly ******, soma just doesn't do it for me.

Can I get a bit of movement speed up in here? That's all I think tanks really need.

I'll be the first to admit I learnt some hard lessons and ran through about 20+ Somas to realise them before finding what I wanted to do.

Armoured recon!

Just saw Jason Pearson in a skirmish match I was AFKing in, he was in his gunnlogi (solo tanking from what I could tell).

Figured I would share the post-match results, which does paint a pretty good picture of how hard tankers have it right now.

http://i.imgur.com/FYPMIue.jpg

I can only imagine how many militia swarms were making his life miserable in that match.

The OPs point is people who do very well with their weapon of choice shouldn't complain.

I was on your guy's team, plus I hate skirmish, I just go there to AFK or when a squad pulls me into it.

Plus I seriously doubt an assault forge would have made a lick of difference in that battle, two tanks and maple running around with his shotgun?

I would have been lucky to not have been spawn killed, let alone have enough time to run somewhere to put my forge to good use.

How do you expect players to get good if you make it unenjoyable and utterly self defeating to skill into and use?

Someone shoukd tell this guy you can also equip a forge with no sp investment and go tower forging. Next .

Militia tank fitted with militia mods can OHK fully specced proto infantry anything. Proto forge cannot OHK militia tank with militia mods unless the tanker has no idea how to fit a tank. Your argument is invalid.

I'm learning but going up against 3x 1200 damange dealing Lai Dais in my, admittedly ******, soma just doesn't do it for me.

Can I get a bit of movement speed up in here? That's all I think tanks really need.

I'll be the first to admit I learnt some hard lessons and ran through about 20+ Somas to realise them before finding what I wanted to do.

Armoured recon!

Militia tank fitted with militia mods can OHK fully specced proto infantry anything. Proto forge cannot OHK militia tank with militia mods unless the tanker has no idea how to fit a tank. Your argument is invalid.

Clearly we cannot, for example Jason's support-squad was taking care of all the AV in that match.

Hrmm, so what happens/ going on - when I dodge a tank all the way to a friendly held supply depot ... only to dance around it wondering WHY the HECK it is not giving me ammo or my oooo so superior AV Grenades at all, I even have to switch suits when I am forced to recall my suit for some other one entirely to get full armor back? Meanwhile tankers/vehcile users can just recall their vehicle and deploy another one with full health without costing them anything, usually faster than I can get grenades or ammo from a supply depot.

Says the guy in a tank that can still 1 piece a 15 mil sp proto heavy from a hill with no SP investment whatsoever. Militia tanks bro, been seeing more of them lately since dem noobs realized they can 1 piece the proto's running amok and just dip back behind a hill. No SP, can 1 piece any infantry. Next?

The name he used to post this wasn't in there, so he was AFKing with an alt.

This is how................................. out there leukoplast is.

Exmaple is there. Jason is there. And I'm there. He doesn't know if those two are in a squad.

I'm sure you'll be able to figure it out.