Prove to me that 4 tanks that are well thought out balanced and design are worse than 58 poorly thought out tanks, then I will consider your idea has merit. This is afterall a debate, I am still waiting for an good or impressive argument from the other side.

Meta In = Power out.
Individual positions of Slots are weighed and have more influence on the fitting than the other way around.
Balance for end game max skill scenarios, but include day 1 rookies in the environment test
Price tag is meaningless
Expected Lifespan is a hidden stat.

Don't listen to IWS he just never knows what he is talking about.

He is a glorified secretory for CPM and when he tries to get out of that role he just babble stupid.

He does not relize tanks probably will not be proto because of slots it will be more of a passive boost from the tanks skills like they seem to be doint already.

Because AV is also at proto level and we have basic vehicles

Funny because you guys haven't come up with anything concrete as to why its a good idea. There isn't too much tangibility in pro prototype argument outside of making an extraordinary broken tank.

Design me an Prototype HAV on the current environment, prove people wrong.

I DARE YOU.

To be fair no one here has really actually provided a well thought out and SPECIFIC counter-argument. All I'm seeing is people arguing why there should be proto tanks but not now to balance those proto tanks properly.

And I believe IWS brings up a good point that just changing stats like +10% acceleration, etc. change the usage of a tank into a different variety instead.

Prove to me that 4 tanks that are well thought out balanced and design are worse than 58 poorly thought out tanks, then I will consider your idea has merit. This is afterall a debate, I am still waiting for an good or impressive argument from the other side.

I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU BUT YOU WON'T LISTEN!!! MYSELF AND OTHERS THROUGH OUT THIS THREAD WTF

Don't ever balance for isk.

everything IS balanced for ISK

explain the difference in price between militia, basic, adv and proto without balancing for isk.... you cant

becuase they are balanced for it

Funny because you guys haven't come up with anything concrete as to why its a good idea. There isn't too much tangibility in pro prototype argument outside of making an extraordinary broken tank.

Design me an Prototype HAV on the current environment, prove people wrong.

I DARE YOU.

:P You know, I was convinced enough to do the math and paperwork.

Give up

He is an infantry player, he prob wants vehicles removed and he knows nothing about them anyways

You get more sense out of a brick wall

I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU BUT YOU WON'T LISTEN!!! MYSELF AND OTHERS THROUGH OUT THIS THREAD WTF

Can someone explain to me why prototype dropsuits are a good idea? Tiericide, bitches!

Doing the math behind a poor concept is throwing good money after bad.

That you did not explore alternate methods of power other than module slots shows how simplistic vehicles are to you.

Given that most tankers are running at least one fitting mod, there is obviously a case for a small PG bump per level to effectively add as a module slot increase without adding anything. Not that I would go this route, but it is a possibility.

The far more reasonable method of adding power without creating an insurmountable power gap are through ancillary boosts, that either compliment the role, or add a new capability not found in lesser models.

For example, a Gunloggi could graduate from 24 - 30 - 33 on shield recharge per second up the tier. While also gaining +5 then +2 on acceleration.

Proto tanks could come with larger ammo reserves, reduced profiles, or more.

There are plenty of ways to balance a set of proto vehicles while still using the same role and model.

And before you argue otherwise check the chart below.

Madrugar Standard - 3 High 5 Lows
Madrugar Advanced - 4 High 5 Lows
Madrugar Prototype - 5 High 5 Lows

Gunnlogi Standard- 5 High 3 Lows
Gunnlogi Advanced - 5 HIgh 4 Lows
Gunnlogi Prototype - 5 High 5 Lows

Hypothetical
Amarr HAV Standard - 4 High 4 Lows.
Amarr HAV Advanced - 4 High 5 Lows
Amarr HAV Prototype - 5 High 5 Lows

Minmatar HAV Standard - 4 High 4 Lows
Minmatar HAV Advanced - 5 HIgh 4 Lows
Minmatar HAV Prototype - 5 High 5 Lows

Max Rack Size in Dust is 5.

Now you're all smart people; tell me, why this up here is bad overall for the game?

Also explain the chicken of the enforcer/marauders fitting into this as both of those classes already had a +1 slot from regular HAVs.

Funny because you guys haven't come up with anything concrete as to why its a good idea. There isn't too much tangibility in pro prototype argument outside of making an extraordinary broken tank.

Design me an Prototype HAV on the current environment, prove people wrong.

I DARE YOU.

2 seconds

All races get tanks that are ment to speed tank. Less health then regular but they have increased mobility and speed allowing them to circle of death other tanks.

You give missile and blaster turrets slower traverse speeds making it harder for them to keep up with these new tanks.

These new tanks gain increased traverse speeds on turrets. so missile and blaster have the turn rate they do not making them able to be effective on this new speedy tank.

Long range battles they will loose at but they will have their speed to get close the distance then be able to use it as defense. They can hit objectives hard and quick but are very suceptable to alpha damage.

Wow there is a new proto tank that changes playstyle on the field and really is not that hard to make.

Iron just becuase your peanut brain can not think of great ideas does not mean they are not out there.

You change the slot lay out to benefit speed tanking

It could be an increase in PG/CPU, Health maybe even speed.

Its doesn't all have to be about slots y'know.

And lolEnforcers.

Caldari Enforcer bonus is useless, because missiles are useless.

And Vayus are meh.

Madrugars/Gunnlogi > Enforcer.

No one wants a glass cannon tank.

Take the current Madrugar as standard.

Advanced version:

Same slot layout
Add 2 CPU, 60 PG.
Top Speed + 2%
Acceleration + 5%
Ammo Capacity +10%


Prototype version:

Advanced hull
Add 1 CPU, 20 PG
Turret Traverse +5%
Profile -10%
Ammo Capacity +5%

None of those bonuses will break the lower tier tanks. A standard Madrugar would not be better off staying home, but a proto would be superiour in every way.

Took me five minutes, while smoking a joint. What is the hold up in Shanghai?

No what you gave me was a different tank not a more advanced version of the previous tank.

Might as well give those different stats to this tank http://www.dust514-france.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/tank2.jpg and well have 2 per race instead.

Another way of looking at tiers for tanks is that because vehicles come pre-tiercide, the current PG/CPU and slot allocations are proto and anything below proto will have a worse PG/CPU and slots. In short, tanks get a huge nerf from the applying tiers.

Iws. Srly, who cares? How about std, adv, and replace proto tanks with a specialized tank that is just as powerful? Okay, it's a problem that all would be proto tanks would have 5/5 and would be too simular so give it the extra built in mods, stat bonuses, resistances, speeds whatever! As long as it works out to make it significantly more effective than standard or advanced tanks. Calling it proto or a" specialized variant but not really proto" doesent matter as long as their solid tanks that get shiet done, like a "proto" tank would.
Also, you continue to ignore my statement about Increasing slot counts above 5. Giving proto tanks 7/5 respectfully would be okay because infantry will still be able to handle them, they have proficientcy 5, double/triple damage modded proto AV, the maximum amount of punishment possible in dust and they travel together in squads. They can handle a tank no problem

No what you gave me was a different tank not a more advanced version of the previous tank.

Might as well give those different stats to this tank http://www.dust514-france.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/tank2.jpg and well have 2 per race instead.

CCP Rejavik
CCP Shanghia

Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.