Cept we now have 4 tanks with the same 5 and 5 slot layout.

How do you expect to squeeze enough variety out of that without cross stepping toes?

Increase the max amount of high/low slots for vehicals only so we can have better tanks and have meaning to spend the isk and Sp to get it, easy. Dropsuits dont need more than 5/5, but tanks do to fit the math of the tiers. also, if a proto tank has a significant amount of pg/cpu compared toour standard tanks then they would be able to fit things. Additionally, you can give proto and adv tank some built in natural resist or an additional built in rep in addition to what the player chooses to fit, alot of stuff

Which I will state again will require nerfing everything in order to keep relative power layouts the same. Which in the end will wind up as a nerf to HAVs because its likely the average player is going to dilute that extra slot with something extra.

what do you mean by "nerfing everying in order to keep relative power layouts the same"? not sure what your getting at, can you explain that alittle plz?
I dont see a need to nerf anything, an adv tank should be better in every way than a standard tank and the same for proto tank vs adv. Dont need to nerf the standard tank bcuz the adv is better, just make the tanks better as you go through the tiers. Not nerfing stuff

HAV gaping with prototype model in place would nearly be over 100%+ of a power gap between itself and standard. Infantry is no where near this bad.

HAV gaping with prototype model in place would nearly be over 100%+ of a power gap between itself and standard. Infantry is no where near this bad.

Yeah but the prices are over 100% for an enforcer vs standard and the SP costs for it is as well, cant imagine what the price and SP cost would be for REAL adv tanks and proto tanks.
There is also a limit on how many vehicals can be on the battlefield and no limit to AV. at this point in the game all serious PC forgegunners/swarmers have profficentcy 5 proto and damage modded AV, and many dozens of hundreds of players will by the time proto tanks are given to use, that is the maximum amount of damage possible for AV. They can still leave an extreemly hefty dent in a proto tank with that layout single handedly, what if there were 2 of such ppl? or 3? there is always more than one enemy running proto AV in todays pubs, nevermind months from now

Don't ever balance for isk.

So true.

Also, like the attourney general is saying we dont need slots to balance the vehical. For example we could make the proto tank skill itself be "+10% movement speed, +7 shield passive resist, +20% active rep efficiency per level"
Or have built in aditional active mods that can be used by the poilt in addition to whatever he fills in his slots with, like an additional hardener, heavy rep or speed mod.
Or just straight up add 4000 shields/armor to the tank over standard/adv
or simply add another 30% resist to the tank base.
Dont need to rely on slots, just add stuff that will make a proto tank, a proto tank

no no wasent using the isk to balance it, its just another factor, a minor one. But surely you can come up with a better reply than that, look at everything im talking about the isk is the least of my concerns

I have a crazier idea.

How about we have only 4 tanks.

4 tanks that work really well and know what exactly they're supposed to be doing.

And that's changing the roles thus no longer an advanced or prototype of the same tank anymore but an assault tank or a escort tank or whatever.

How about you shut up because you seem to know nothing about vehicles and continue to push bad ideas through the door

okay then give us "tank that kicks alot of ass name here" class and make it feel like a proto tank. If proto tanks are so hard to make, then give us a tank that specialises in actually being effective, something that actually gets shiet done call it what you want whatever, something can be made that is a "proto tank"

Also, like the attourney general is saying we dont need slots to balance the vehical. For example we could make the proto tank skill itself be "+10% movement speed, +7 shield passive resist, +20% active rep efficiency per level"
Or have built in aditional active mods that can be used by the poilt in addition to whatever he fills in his slots with, like an additional hardener, heavy rep or speed mod.
Or just straight up add 4000 shields/armor to the tank over standard/adv
or simply add another 30% resist to the tank base.
Dont need to rely on slots, just add stuff that will make a proto tank, a proto tank

no no wasent using the isk to balance it, its just another factor, a minor one. But surely you can come up with a better reply than that, look at everything im talking about the isk is the least of my concerns

If you want to destroy my tank get yourself a nice shiny DS with proto missiles and two gunners, I wont be able to touch you because my gun can't shoot high enough. Tank kill infantry, Infantry kill DS, DS kill tank. This of course depends on whether the DS is fitted with Blasters or the tank with Rail guns or a coordinated squad of proto AV.

By that definition then technically we already have a prototype tank.
/me points at the POS known as a Falchion.

Prove to me that 4 tanks that are well thought out balanced and design are worse than 58 poorly thought out tanks, then I will consider your idea has merit. This is afterall a debate, I am still waiting for an good or impressive argument from the other side.

And before you argue otherwise check the chart below.

Madrugar Standard - 3 High 5 Lows
Madrugar Advanced - 4 High 5 Lows
Madrugar Prototype - 5 High 5 Lows

Gunnlogi Standard- 5 High 3 Lows
Gunnlogi Advanced - 5 HIgh 4 Lows
Gunnlogi Prototype - 5 High 5 Lows

Hypothetical
Amarr HAV Standard - 4 High 4 Lows.
Amarr HAV Advanced - 4 High 5 Lows
Amarr HAV Prototype - 5 High 5 Lows

Minmatar HAV Standard - 4 High 4 Lows
Minmatar HAV Advanced - 5 HIgh 4 Lows
Minmatar HAV Prototype - 5 High 5 Lows

Max Rack Size in Dust is 5.

Now you're all smart people; tell me, why this up here is bad overall for the game?

Also explain the chicken of the enforcer/marauders fitting into this as both of those classes already had a +1 slot from regular HAVs.

When prices are based on 'just because' you really cannot balance around that idea. Also what are you going to do when they do remove adv and prototype from npc market making other players the sole source of said items by whatever means avialable?

No, you are trolling, because you are cherry picking and responding only to emotional posts, ignoring any other suggestions.

Frankly, if you wanted legitimate debate you would take the tone you have. You seem convinced that your way is the only way forward, so at this point we all might as well go along for the ride.

Sept 17 bitches. Sept 17.