Cept we now have 4 tanks with the same 5 and 5 slot layout.

How do you expect to squeeze enough variety out of that without cross stepping toes?

Which I will state again will require nerfing everything in order to keep relative power layouts the same. Which in the end will wind up as a nerf to HAVs because its likely the average player is going to dilute that extra slot with something extra.

HAV gaping with prototype model in place would nearly be over 100%+ of a power gap between itself and standard. Infantry is no where near this bad.

So true.

And that's changing the roles thus no longer an advanced or prototype of the same tank anymore but an assault tank or a escort tank or whatever.

no no wasent using the isk to balance it, its just another factor, a minor one. But surely you can come up with a better reply than that, look at everything im talking about the isk is the least of my concerns

By that definition then technically we already have a prototype tank.
/me points at the POS known as a Falchion.

Meta In = Power out.
Individual positions of Slots are weighed and have more influence on the fitting than the other way around.
Balance for end game max skill scenarios, but include day 1 rookies in the environment test
Price tag is meaningless
Expected Lifespan is a hidden stat.

Funny because you guys haven't come up with anything concrete as to why its a good idea. There isn't too much tangibility in pro prototype argument outside of making an extraordinary broken tank.

Design me an Prototype HAV on the current environment, prove people wrong.

I DARE YOU.

To be fair no one here has really actually provided a well thought out and SPECIFIC counter-argument. All I'm seeing is people arguing why there should be proto tanks but not now to balance those proto tanks properly.

And I believe IWS brings up a good point that just changing stats like +10% acceleration, etc. change the usage of a tank into a different variety instead.

Give up

He is an infantry player, he prob wants vehicles removed and he knows nothing about them anyways

You get more sense out of a brick wall

Doing the math behind a poor concept is throwing good money after bad.

That you did not explore alternate methods of power other than module slots shows how simplistic vehicles are to you.

Given that most tankers are running at least one fitting mod, there is obviously a case for a small PG bump per level to effectively add as a module slot increase without adding anything. Not that I would go this route, but it is a possibility.

The far more reasonable method of adding power without creating an insurmountable power gap are through ancillary boosts, that either compliment the role, or add a new capability not found in lesser models.

For example, a Gunloggi could graduate from 24 - 30 - 33 on shield recharge per second up the tier. While also gaining +5 then +2 on acceleration.

Proto tanks could come with larger ammo reserves, reduced profiles, or more.

There are plenty of ways to balance a set of proto vehicles while still using the same role and model.

No what you gave me was a different tank not a more advanced version of the previous tank.

Might as well give those different stats to this tank http://www.dust514-france.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/tank2.jpg and well have 2 per race instead.

No what you gave me was a different tank not a more advanced version of the previous tank.

Might as well give those different stats to this tank http://www.dust514-france.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/tank2.jpg and well have 2 per race instead.

Vehicles are currently not pre-teiricide, the reason why I can say this is because you can tiericide what we have and based on the snippet from CCP Wolfman's 1.5 vehicle blog, that is what exactly is happening to vehicles, they're getting teiricided first.

Essentialy

It means

Cut out useless crap, most of which would fail the 'why/why not' test.
Replace with useful crap which generally passes the 'must' test.
Avoid having 500 failed clones of the trying to sing the same song and dance the same dance.
If trimming is not possible then new dance routines are required.

Eve Online has over 500 uniquely different ships in terms of use, handling, fitting, roles, culture in fleet and much much more. The last bastions of boring are freighters I believe.

If Dust 514 is racially equaled out and both crusader and pilot drop suits are introduced and without tiericide we would almost have more dropsuits than Eve, but only give or take 6-8 real flavors anyone would care for.

Some argue it dumbs down the game but when you can do it without trimming it doesnt dumb down anything it enhances what you already have into more intriguing and intuitive to play on the field. What if Caldari had 3 different assault suits? all three play differently and have different roles from each other but each three is unique unto itself and not just a progression of each other? Type I Type II Type III suits instead. Type 1 can play like the standard soldier, type 2 more of a medic, type 3 can be the versatile specialist.

Just stirring the pot and picking whatever floats up and knowing what sinks. Forums have to be filtered through you know that.