Cadari weaponry is usually either of two things. Rail based technology or Missile Based Technology

The Forge gun is Rail Based Tech.

Cadari weaponry is usually either of two things. Rail based technology or Missile Based Technology

The Forge gun is Rail Based Tech.

Seems to be a plasma weapon, so more on the blaster side of rail tech. That makes it's absurd range even more puzzling.

While i''m not 100% sure of it's origins Only the Gallente use Plasma based Technology besides the Jovians.


I just read the description and it says that it fires Kinetic Slugs by during the Pre-Firing stages Magnetism is a huge part in it's functionality as well as other Rail Based components.

I'm not sure where that SVER guy got lasers from

actually, the forge is a repurposed mining laser......

edit: just read ingame info, it is a repurposed mining railgun

There will be one of each kind of weapon class in each category so there will be rail based weaponry

Where did you read this?

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every single item has it.......press triangle

For example plasma weapons don't exists space side.

For example plasma weapons don't exists space side.

you shut you hore mouth

For example plasma weapons don't exists space side.

You would save face if you admit now that you were wrong and that the FG is indeed a railgun.

*yawn* oh your still talking right w/e door is that way it has a X on it. your if your to lazy just hit alt+F4.

someone refill my popcorn!

...the Forge Gun is in fact a hand held Rail gun?

quite begging for attention. no one cares.

What are you really afraid of here?

You set out to prove a point, but failed.

I proved you wrong. It's okay!

You can admit that you were wrong. Nobody will like you less for it.

The forge gun is a magnetic accelerator (railgun) weapon, re-purposed from its original form as a mining tool.

The Caldari, however, do not ONLY use railgun and missile weapons (though this is certainly their flavor in EVE). In space they also use blasters (a hybrid weapon, like a railgun, but firing a bolt of subatomic particles instead of a slug), and on the ground Caldari forces make use of plasma weaponry extensively.

Similarly, the Gallente use Railgun and missile weapons both in space and on the ground.
Amarrians use missiles on some of their spacecraft and a lot of their own plasma based weaponry on the ground. Minmatar have adapted a lot of Rail and Plasma based weapons (in DUST we have the Mass Driver, a railgun-based grenade launcer) to suit their needs.

Not to mention pretty much EVERY races armed forces use conventional bullet-shooting weapons (Even the Amarrians!) because they are the most prolific, easiest to produce and maintain, and arguable most brutally reliable.

The weapons we see in DUST, and their racial specificity, are NOT an accurate portrayal of weaponry in the EVE universe. Its safe to say that every race has produces its own version of every type of weapon, be it laser, plasma, projectile, missile, or railgun.

Quoting myself because people need some goddamn E(VE)ducation

I am only splitting hairs because people have been arguing with me on this fact.

I say it is a railgun, they say it is not.

I am lookin for completely irrefutable proof that it is in fact a railgun in the form of a DEV saying "Yes the FG is a railgun."

Dev Post that proves you are right Jaraiya

Have them scroll to the bottom.

you know the difference from a post and a blog. btw they generalized by how the damage counted unless you want to tell me that missiles work just like grenades and mercs just throw them out of their hands. all it proves is that its counted as same type of damage.

Because it is a railgun! Of course it deals the same type of damage!

i stand corrected ... now lets talk about rail gun damage multipliers vs blaster damage multipliers :)

you know the difference from a post and a blog. btw they generalized by how the damage counted unless you want to tell me that missiles work just like grenades and mercs just throw them out of their hands. all it proves is that its counted as same type of damage.

That Is beyond my scope of specialty!

Sounds interesting, Billi Gene should start up a thread.

yes yes yes Rusty.. but lets clear up whether Rail guns need actual RAILS, to be classified as a rail gun!

I like to be positive about the DEVs and the game as much as needed, but lets be frank...(puts on fake moustache)... the Forge Gun doesnt have the physical attributes to accurately fire a rail projectile. It lacks epeen inducing Length.

If indeed the FG does possess rails that is. If it doesnt, then it is a Blaster. Which would match the item description. Rail guns afaik dont build a magnetic charge as the rail operate off of a current.

Sure the charge up is to generate the Electrical charge to power the rail, but in no way does that translate into the forward armature locks into position, stabilizing the magnetic fieldlink

sounds like a blaster to meeeee

The chart is perfectly clear on this. Hybrid - Railgun (long range). So everything listed under ARE Railguns.

The Explosive doesn't say anything about missiles, guidance systems, or firing mechanism. It just says Explosive.

so you agree that they generalized all the groups as to have less on the chart that's not needed. your not going to tell me the AR should fire like the plasma cannon are you?

No, but the AR and the PC are both plasma hybrid weapons. They both fire Plasma.

The FG fires rails!

yes yes yes Rusty.. but lets clear up whether Rail guns need actual RAILS, to be classified as a rail gun!

I like to be positive about the DEVs and the game as much as needed, but lets be frank...(puts on fake moustache)... the Forge Gun doesnt have the physical attributes to accurately fire a rail projectile. It lacks epeen inducing Length.

If indeed the FG does possess rails that is. If it doesnt, then it is a Blaster. Which would match the item description. Rail guns afaik dont build a magnetic charge as the rail operate off of a current.

Sure the charge up is to generate the Electrical charge to power the rail, but in no way does that translate into the forward armature locks into position, stabilizing the magnetic fieldlink

sounds like a blaster to meeeee

Cadari weaponry is usually either of two things. Rail based technology or Missile Based Technology

The Forge gun is Rail Based Tech.

it shoots rails you say

yes yes yes Rusty.. but lets clear up whether Rail guns need actual RAILS, to be classified as a rail gun!

I like to be positive about the DEVs and the game as much as needed, but lets be frank...(puts on fake moustache)... the Forge Gun doesnt have the physical attributes to accurately fire a rail projectile. It lacks epeen inducing Length.

If indeed the FG does possess rails that is. If it doesnt, then it is a Blaster. Which would match the item description. Rail guns afaik dont build a magnetic charge as the rail operate off of a current.

Sure the charge up is to generate the Electrical charge to power the rail, but in no way does that translate into the forward armature locks into position, stabilizing the magnetic fieldlink

sounds like a blaster to meeeee

It does!

Furthermore, blasters do not require the weapon to charge. They are fully automatic High RoF anti-infantry weapons.

The FG is a charge up, slow RoF High Damage anti-matter weapon. *coughrailguncough*

so you agree that they generalized all the groups as to have less on the chart that's not needed. your not going to tell me the AR should fire like the plasma cannon are you? because calling the FG a rail is just that. the damage is the inflicted the same but the way it fires and works are not.

wow... you are so clueless. you don't even know why railguns are called railguns. that is why i don't care argue with you.

The FG fires rails!

Not a blaster, in the slightest, This is not the most difficult concept to grasp, the question is entirely based on the nature of the ammunition

Blasters and Rails are hybrid weapons, now why are they both hybrid.

1) Blasters are hybrid because they have physical hallow shells which contain plasma, thus they primarily do thermal damage

2) Rails (which Eve also conflates with coil guns) are weapons that shoot solid slugs at really high speeds, hence rail weapons primarily do kinetic damage

The Forge gun shoots solid shells based on the descritpiont,

Also the devs shouldn't have to do double work because you guys can't do a little bit of researching, they already addressed the issue of classifying weapons based on weapon systems, just read the dev blogs

http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/weapon-ranges-in-uprising-1.2-and-beyond/

Edit:

I wanted to include this

"The power supply must be able to deliver large currents, sustained and controlled over a useful amount of time. The most important gauge of power supply effectiveness is the energy it can deliver. As of December 2010, the greatest known energy used to propel a projectile from a railgun was 33 megajoules.[10] The most common forms of power supplies used in railguns are capacitors and compulsators which are slowly charged from other continuous energy sources.
The rails need to withstand enormous repulsive forces during shooting, and these forces will tend to push them apart and away from the projectile. As rail/projectile clearances increase, arcing develops, which causes rapid vaporization and extensive damage to the rail surfaces and the insulator surfaces. This limited some early research railguns to one shot per service interval.
The inductance and resistance of the rails and power supply limit the efficiency of a railgun design. Currently different rail shapes and railgun configurations are being tested, most notably by the United States Navy, the Institute for Advanced Technology, and BAE Systems."

The question was, "can a Dev tell us if the Forge Gun is a Railgun?" The chart (posted by a Dev) shows it under a listed title that says Hybrid - Railgun (long range). Everything under that listing is therefor a Railgun as stated by CCP Remnant.

Weapon game play characteristics is a moot point.

plasma- generalization (blasters/ cannons/ shotguns and TBA stuff)
projectiles - generalizations (smgs/ HMG/ TBA stuff includes rifles its all)
laser- generalizations(pulse and laser pointers or "beam")
rail - generalization even thou you say its not (rifles/ forge/ TBA smg/rifle/pistols)
explosives- completely generalizations( hand held/ gun launched/ missiles)

you going to tell me shotguns/cannons work in the same way blasters?
or HMGs work just like SMGs?
or remote explosives track targets like missiles?

plasma- generalization (blasters/ cannons/ shotguns and TBA stuff)
projectiles - generalizations (smgs/ HMG/ TBA stuff includes rifles its all)
laser- generalizations(pulse and laser pointers or "beam")
rail - generalization even thou you say its not (rifles/ forge/ TBA smg/rifle/pistols)
explosives- completely generalizations( hand held/ gun launched/ missiles)

you going to tell me shotguns/cannons work in the same way blasters?
or HMGs work just like SMGs?
or remote explosives track targets like missiles?

actually, the forge is a repurposed mining laser......

edit: just read ingame info, it is a repurposed mining railgun

i win

Have a cookie.

I knew it!

thanks

'The weapon commonly referred to as a 'Railgun' does not utilize rails within the barrel of the gun that the charge slides on - mounting lugs are not visible on images of the charges. However, they are more likely to be what we call Coilguns (also known as Gauss guns), which operate by accelerating a magnetically-charged projectile with electromagnets.

As a Railgun does not have to traverse a heavy large-caliber barrel or generate a beam of high-energy light, it can be made smaller and lighter (and thus use much less powergrid than Artillery Cannons or Tachyon Beams).

Conversely, a Blaster first processes the Hybrid charge and turns it into a ball of plasma, held together by a strong electromagnetic containment field. This ball is then accelerated out of the weapon by the same method as a Railgun, but the containment field quickly dissipates once the ball leaves the barrel of the gun. This greatly affects effective range.

its only a rail because they don't have the technology for throwing lamp posts...

MIND BLOWN

wolfman throw back to anti-vehicle lampposts in E3 build!

i wish my tank shot lampposts! until then im stuck wishing for the day i can sell ym turret and strap a forge gun on my tank

For a guy in the CPM...you know surprisingly little about EVE lore.

10 isk says Chribba specs into FG's now for some Veldspar love.

we need to teach new players their history, the horror of the OP lamp posts, can not be forgotten

its rail.

its rail.

yes yes the DEVs (bless their lil hearts!) have classified the FG as a rail gun, but its description describes a process alien to rail gun technology.

1 blasters are hybrid because their ammunition is a metal casing around a plasma core
1.2 then again railguns use the same ammo... so the difference in names must be ...
Something Else:
Antimatter Charge Small: 7hp kinetic damage, 5hp thermal damage
Consists of two components: a shell of titanium and a core of antimatter atoms suspended in plasma state. Railguns launch the shell directly, while particle blasters pump the plasma into a cyclotron and process the plasma into a bolt that is then fired.

-50% optimal range


Iridium Charge Small: 4 kinetic damage 3 thermal
Consists of two components: a shell of titanium and a core of iridium atoms suspended in plasma state. Railguns launch the shell directly, while particle blasters pump the plasma into a cyclotron and process the plasma into a bolt that is then fired.

20% increased optimal range.
24% reduced capacitor need.

among many others, all hybrid ammo does varying ratio's of kinetic and thermal damage.



Light Ion Blaster 1
Particle blasters operate on a similar principle as the railgun except they fire a magnetically contained ball of subatomic particles. No other turret class can match the sheer destructive power of particle blasters, but due to the rapid dispersion of the containment field, it also has the worst range of all turrets.

Requires hybrid charge types: Antimatter, Iridium, Iron, Lead, Plutonium, Thorium, Tungsten, Uranium.


150mm Railgun 1
This is a standard long-range railgun designed for frigates. Railguns use magnetic rails to fire solid chunks of matter at hypersonic speed. The accurate range of railguns is very good, but due to technical limitations it cannot use onboard guidance. This results in a fairly rapid drop in accuracy at extreme ranges.

Requires hybrid charge types: Antimatter, Iridium, Iron, Lead, Plutonium, Thorium, Tungsten, Uranium.




dun mind me too much, at this point i am poking fun at the devs for messing up either the FG's description or its physical attributes. ie: railguns... use rails to couple an armature, then pass a current thru this assembly to create a magnetic field which forces the armature along the rails propelling the payload. The length of the rails is an indicator of the acceleration needed to propel the projectile the desired distance. (hence my poking fun at the size of the FG if it is indeed a railgun)

If the FG is as its ingame description implies, then it is actually a really really scary nasty Blaster. (and in EvE blasters as short range weapons in the smallest size, range from 500m optimal out to 1500falloff ...sound slightly familiar?)

Then why does a proto Assault FG do more damage than a proto railgun that worth 850k more isk and weighs 10 tons more? It also fires faster because railgun has fire delay... now dont tell me some **** about how the railgun has unlimited ammo... i know that...

I heard forge guns use to fire LAVs too.

I knew it!

The community team does not possess ban hammers. They possess ban lamp posts.

While i''m not 100% sure of it's origins Only the Gallente use Plasma based Technology besides the Jovians.


I just read the description and it says that it fires Kinetic Slugs by during the Pre-Firing stages Magnetism is a huge part in it's functionality as well as other Rail Based components.

I'm not sure where that SVER guy got lasers from

So minmatar tech or caldari?

Then why does a proto Assault FG do more damage than a proto railgun that worth 850k more isk and weighs 10 tons more? It also fires faster because railgun has fire delay... now dont tell me some **** about how the railgun has unlimited ammo... i know that...

lets give it a crappy ads..it looks as if it could be givin a sight..

of course i think the forge gunner would prefer the big 0...

A whole post on a question created because someone is too lazy to read.

Read lore. It applies to these questions you all seem to feel a need to ask.

Better yet, don't argue with the people who CAN read. Because they try to give you the answer, but since it doesn't fit in that tiny little box you call a thought, it means the big, poopyhead, meanie literate person was lying to you!

if you'd stop blowing up our mining fleets we'd never think to turn our miners into weapons........

Get over it. Those hulks were an eyesore and needed to go.