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ladwar
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Posted - 2013.08.27 05:41:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:ladwar wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:I am only splitting hairs because people have been arguing with me on this fact.
I say it is a railgun, they say it is not.
I am lookin for completely irrefutable proof that it is in fact a railgun in the form of a DEV saying "Yes the FG is a railgun." Dev Post that proves you are right JaraiyaHave them scroll to the bottom. you know the difference from a post and a blog. btw they generalized by how the damage counted unless you want to tell me that missiles work just like grenades and mercs just throw them out of their hands. all it proves is that its counted as same type of damage. Because it is a railgun! Of course it deals the same type of damage! ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) you still haven't paid me that 10 million. |
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Billi Gene
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Posted - 2013.08.27 05:47:00 -
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i stand corrected ... now lets talk about rail gun damage multipliers vs blaster damage multipliers :)
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Posted - 2013.08.27 05:48:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:i stand corrected ... now lets talk about rail gun damage multipliers vs blaster damage multipliers :)
That Is beyond my scope of specialty!![Lol](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 05:51:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:I am only splitting hairs because people have been arguing with me on this fact.
I say it is a railgun, they say it is not.
I am lookin for completely irrefutable proof that it is in fact a railgun in the form of a DEV saying "Yes the FG is a railgun." Dev Post that proves you are right JaraiyaHave them scroll to the bottom. you know the difference from a post and a blog. btw they generalized by how the damage counted unless you want to tell me that missiles work just like grenades and mercs just throw them out of their hands. all it proves is that its counted as same type of damage. The chart is perfectly clear on this. Hybrid - Railgun (long range). So everything listed under ARE Railguns.
The Explosive doesn't say anything about missiles, guidance systems, or firing mechanism. It just says Explosive. |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 05:55:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Billi Gene wrote:i stand corrected ... now lets talk about rail gun damage multipliers vs blaster damage multipliers :)
That Is beyond my scope of specialty! ![Lol](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) Sounds interesting, Billi Gene should start up a thread. |
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Billi Gene
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:01:00 -
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yes yes yes Rusty.. but lets clear up whether Rail guns need actual RAILS, to be classified as a rail gun!
I like to be positive about the DEVs and the game as much as needed, but lets be frank...(puts on fake moustache)... the Forge Gun doesnt have the physical attributes to accurately fire a rail projectile. It lacks epeen inducing Length.
If indeed the FG does possess rails that is. If it doesnt, then it is a Blaster. Which would match the item description. Rail guns afaik dont build a magnetic charge as the rail operate off of a current.
Sure the charge up is to generate the Electrical charge to power the rail, but in no way does that translate into the forward armature locks into position, stabilizing the magnetic fieldlink
sounds like a blaster to meeeee ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) |
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Billi Gene
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:05:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Billi Gene wrote:i stand corrected ... now lets talk about rail gun damage multipliers vs blaster damage multipliers :)
That Is beyond my scope of specialty! ![Lol](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) Sounds interesting, Billi Gene should start up a thread.
>.< i don't start threads.. i troll them under the guise of benevolence....
damn the gig is up :(
ergo.. EvE= short range higher damage multiplier... long range lower damage multiplier, short and long range weaps in same category use the same ammo.... |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:11:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:yes yes yes Rusty.. but lets clear up whether Rail guns need actual RAILS, to be classified as a rail gun! I like to be positive about the DEVs and the game as much as needed, but lets be frank...(puts on fake moustache)... the Forge Gun doesnt have the physical attributes to accurately fire a rail projectile. It lacks epeen inducing Length. If indeed the FG does possess rails that is. If it doesnt, then it is a Blaster. Which would match the item description. Rail guns afaik dont build a magnetic charge as the rail operate off of a current. Sure the charge up is to generate the Electrical charge to power the rail, but in no way does that translate into the forward armature locks into position, stabilizing the magnetic fieldlinksounds like a blaster to meeeee ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png)
Except for the fact that the Blaster is a Plasma weapon. In the dev blog it clearly states that the Plasma Heavy Weapon is TBA. That dictates that the FG is in fact a Railgun Heavy Weapon. |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:13:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:ladwar wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:I am only splitting hairs because people have been arguing with me on this fact.
I say it is a railgun, they say it is not.
I am lookin for completely irrefutable proof that it is in fact a railgun in the form of a DEV saying "Yes the FG is a railgun." Dev Post that proves you are right JaraiyaHave them scroll to the bottom. you know the difference from a post and a blog. btw they generalized by how the damage counted unless you want to tell me that missiles work just like grenades and mercs just throw them out of their hands. all it proves is that its counted as same type of damage. The chart is perfectly clear on this. Hybrid - Railgun (long range). So everything listed under ARE Railguns. The Explosive doesn't say anything about missiles, guidance systems, or firing mechanism. It just says Explosive. so you agree that they generalized all the groups as to have less on the chart that's not needed. your not going to tell me the AR should fire like the plasma cannon are you? because calling the FG a rail is just that. the damage is the inflicted the same but the way it fires and works are not. |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:15:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:ladwar wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:I am only splitting hairs because people have been arguing with me on this fact.
I say it is a railgun, they say it is not.
I am lookin for completely irrefutable proof that it is in fact a railgun in the form of a DEV saying "Yes the FG is a railgun." Dev Post that proves you are right JaraiyaHave them scroll to the bottom. you know the difference from a post and a blog. btw they generalized by how the damage counted unless you want to tell me that missiles work just like grenades and mercs just throw them out of their hands. all it proves is that its counted as same type of damage. The chart is perfectly clear on this. Hybrid - Railgun (long range). So everything listed under ARE Railguns. The Explosive doesn't say anything about missiles, guidance systems, or firing mechanism. It just says Explosive. so you agree that they generalized all the groups as to have less on the chart that's not needed. your not going to tell me the AR should fire like the plasma cannon are you? No, but the AR and the PC are both plasma hybrid weapons. They both fire Plasma.
The FG fires rails! |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:17:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote: No, but the AR and the PC are both plasma hybrid weapons. They both fire Plasma.
The FG fires rails!
it shoots rails you say![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:18:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:yes yes yes Rusty.. but lets clear up whether Rail guns need actual RAILS, to be classified as a rail gun! I like to be positive about the DEVs and the game as much as needed, but lets be frank...(puts on fake moustache)... the Forge Gun doesnt have the physical attributes to accurately fire a rail projectile. It lacks epeen inducing Length. If indeed the FG does possess rails that is. If it doesnt, then it is a Blaster. Which would match the item description. Rail guns afaik dont build a magnetic charge as the rail operate off of a current. Sure the charge up is to generate the Electrical charge to power the rail, but in no way does that translate into the forward armature locks into position, stabilizing the magnetic fieldlinksounds like a blaster to meeeee ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) Touch+¬. You win this round with your trixy reasoning Billi, but I'll get you next time.
Throw in how weapon re-balancing has the projectiles behave differently from traditional rail technology and we can rename it a magnetic slingshot cannon.
Of course CCP has the ultimate response to all this. A Dev actually responded in a thread asking for reality to be kept far away from this game. |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:19:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Cadari weaponry is usually either of two things. Rail based technology or Missile Based Technology
The Forge gun is Rail Based Tech.
Wouldn't a rail gun look like.. rail. Instead of a ball of blue plasma? |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:19:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote: No, but the AR and the PC are both plasma hybrid weapons. They both fire Plasma.
The FG fires rails!
it shoots rails you say ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) It does!
Furthermore, blasters do not require the weapon to charge. They are fully automatic High RoF anti-infantry weapons.
The FG is a charge up, slow RoF High Damage anti-matter weapon. *coughrailguncough* |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:19:00 -
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In EVE both blasters and railguns fire plasma filled cartridges. The blasters being shorter range and rail guns being longer range. They are considered hybrid weapons because they rely on both kinetic energy and the energy from the plasma for damage. In Dust the hybrid weapons are the AR, shotgun, sniper rifle, plasma cannon and the forge gun. Though unlike in EVE they don't all rely on plasma. I know the Sniper Rifle just fires a slug. Anyway, you can easily find out the lore of the weapons under the show info. |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:22:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:yes yes yes Rusty.. but lets clear up whether Rail guns need actual RAILS, to be classified as a rail gun! I like to be positive about the DEVs and the game as much as needed, but lets be frank...(puts on fake moustache)... the Forge Gun doesnt have the physical attributes to accurately fire a rail projectile. It lacks epeen inducing Length. If indeed the FG does possess rails that is. If it doesnt, then it is a Blaster. Which would match the item description. Rail guns afaik dont build a magnetic charge as the rail operate off of a current. Sure the charge up is to generate the Electrical charge to power the rail, but in no way does that translate into the forward armature locks into position, stabilizing the magnetic fieldlinksounds like a blaster to meeeee ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png)
Not a blaster, in the slightest, This is not the most difficult concept to grasp, the question is entirely based on the nature of the ammunition
Blasters and Rails are hybrid weapons, now why are they both hybrid.
1) Blasters are hybrid because they have physical hallow shells which contain plasma, thus they primarily do thermal damage
2) Rails (which Eve also conflates with coil guns) are weapons that shoot solid slugs at really high speeds, hence rail weapons primarily do kinetic damage
Also the devs shouldn't have to do double work because you guys can't do a little bit of researching, they already addressed the issue of classifying weapons based on weapon systems, just read the dev blogs
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/weapon-ranges-in-uprising-1.2-and-beyond/ |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:36:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:ladwar wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote: No, but the AR and the PC are both plasma hybrid weapons. They both fire Plasma.
The FG fires rails!
it shoots rails you say ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) It does! Furthermore, blasters do not require the weapon to charge. They are fully automatic High RoF anti-infantry weapons. The FG is a charge up, slow RoF High Damage anti-matter weapon. *coughrailguncough* wow... you are so clueless. you don't even know why railguns are called railguns. |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:42:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:ladwar wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:I am only splitting hairs because people have been arguing with me on this fact.
I say it is a railgun, they say it is not.
I am lookin for completely irrefutable proof that it is in fact a railgun in the form of a DEV saying "Yes the FG is a railgun." Dev Post that proves you are right JaraiyaHave them scroll to the bottom. you know the difference from a post and a blog. btw they generalized by how the damage counted unless you want to tell me that missiles work just like grenades and mercs just throw them out of their hands. all it proves is that its counted as same type of damage. The chart is perfectly clear on this. Hybrid - Railgun (long range). So everything listed under ARE Railguns. The Explosive doesn't say anything about missiles, guidance systems, or firing mechanism. It just says Explosive. so you agree that they generalized all the groups as to have less on the chart that's not needed. your not going to tell me the AR should fire like the plasma cannon are you? because calling the FG a rail is just that. the damage is the inflicted the same but the way it fires and works are not. The question was, "can a Dev tell us if the Forge Gun is a Railgun?" The chart (posted by a Dev) shows it under a listed title that says Hybrid - Railgun (long range). Everything under that listing is therefor a Railgun as stated by CCP Remnant.
Weapon game play characteristics is a moot point. Unless there is another conversation going on that wasn't included in the OP. |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:43:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:ladwar wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote: No, but the AR and the PC are both plasma hybrid weapons. They both fire Plasma.
The FG fires rails!
it shoots rails you say ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) It does! Furthermore, blasters do not require the weapon to charge. They are fully automatic High RoF anti-infantry weapons. The FG is a charge up, slow RoF High Damage anti-matter weapon. *coughrailguncough* wow... you are so clueless. you don't even know why railguns are called railguns. that is why i don't care argue with you.
It is because they fire solid "rail" shaped projectiles!
EDIT: Actually just give it up. You have lost the argument many times over. Be adult about this and just admit that you were mistaken.
It is entirely juvenile for you to resort to infantile flaming, insulting, and/or name calling simply because you were proven wrong. |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:49:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote: The FG fires rails! The Forge Gun fires projectiles from the rail base. |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 06:55:00 -
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Edited post 49 to more clearly reflect the reason it is called a "railgun" |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 07:02:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Billi Gene wrote:yes yes yes Rusty.. but lets clear up whether Rail guns need actual RAILS, to be classified as a rail gun! I like to be positive about the DEVs and the game as much as needed, but lets be frank...(puts on fake moustache)... the Forge Gun doesnt have the physical attributes to accurately fire a rail projectile. It lacks epeen inducing Length. If indeed the FG does possess rails that is. If it doesnt, then it is a Blaster. Which would match the item description. Rail guns afaik dont build a magnetic charge as the rail operate off of a current. Sure the charge up is to generate the Electrical charge to power the rail, but in no way does that translate into the forward armature locks into position, stabilizing the magnetic fieldlinksounds like a blaster to meeeee ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) Not a blaster, in the slightest, This is not the most difficult concept to grasp, the question is entirely based on the nature of the ammunition Blasters and Rails are hybrid weapons, now why are they both hybrid. 1) Blasters are hybrid because they have physical hallow shells which contain plasma, thus they primarily do thermal damage 2) Rails (which Eve also conflates with coil guns) are weapons that shoot solid slugs at really high speeds, hence rail weapons primarily do kinetic damage The Forge gun shoots solid shells based on the descritpiont, Also the devs shouldn't have to do double work because you guys can't do a little bit of researching, they already addressed the issue of classifying weapons based on weapon systems, just read the dev blogs http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/weapon-ranges-in-uprising-1.2-and-beyond/Edit: I wanted to include this "The power supply must be able to deliver large currents, sustained and controlled over a useful amount of time. The most important gauge of power supply effectiveness is the energy it can deliver. As of December 2010, the greatest known energy used to propel a projectile from a railgun was 33 megajoules.[10] The most common forms of power supplies used in railguns are capacitors and compulsators which are slowly charged from other continuous energy sources. The rails need to withstand enormous repulsive forces during shooting, and these forces will tend to push them apart and away from the projectile. As rail/projectile clearances increase, arcing develops, which causes rapid vaporization and extensive damage to the rail surfaces and the insulator surfaces. This limited some early research railguns to one shot per service interval. The inductance and resistance of the rails and power supply limit the efficiency of a railgun design. Currently different rail shapes and railgun configurations are being tested, most notably by the United States Navy, the Institute for Advanced Technology, and BAE Systems."
yes yes the DEVs (bless their lil hearts!) have classified the FG as a rail gun, but its description describes a process alien to rail gun technology.
1 blasters are hybrid because their ammunition is a metal casing around a plasma core 1.2 then again railguns use the same ammo... so the difference in names must be ... Something Else: Antimatter Charge Small: 7hp kinetic damage, 5hp thermal damage Consists of two components: a shell of titanium and a core of antimatter atoms suspended in plasma state. Railguns launch the shell directly, while particle blasters pump the plasma into a cyclotron and process the plasma into a bolt that is then fired.
-50% optimal range
Iridium Charge Small: 4 kinetic damage 3 thermal Consists of two components: a shell of titanium and a core of iridium atoms suspended in plasma state. Railguns launch the shell directly, while particle blasters pump the plasma into a cyclotron and process the plasma into a bolt that is then fired.
20% increased optimal range. 24% reduced capacitor need.
among many others, all hybrid ammo does varying ratio's of kinetic and thermal damage.
Light Ion Blaster 1 Particle blasters operate on a similar principle as the railgun except they fire a magnetically contained ball of subatomic particles. No other turret class can match the sheer destructive power of particle blasters, but due to the rapid dispersion of the containment field, it also has the worst range of all turrets.
Requires hybrid charge types: Antimatter, Iridium, Iron, Lead, Plutonium, Thorium, Tungsten, Uranium.
150mm Railgun 1 This is a standard long-range railgun designed for frigates. Railguns use magnetic rails to fire solid chunks of matter at hypersonic speed. The accurate range of railguns is very good, but due to technical limitations it cannot use onboard guidance. This results in a fairly rapid drop in accuracy at extreme ranges.
Requires hybrid charge types: Antimatter, Iridium, Iron, Lead, Plutonium, Thorium, Tungsten, Uranium.
dun mind me too much, at this point i am poking fun at the devs for messing up either the FG's description or its physical attributes. ie: railguns... use rails to couple an armature, then pass a current thru this assembly to create a magnetic field which forces the armature along the rails propelling the payload. The length of the rails is an indicator of the acceleration needed to propel the projectile the desired distance. (hence my poking fun at the size of the FG if it is indeed a railgun)
If the FG is as its ingame description implies, then it is actually a really really scary nasty Blaster. (and in EvE blasters as short range weapons in the smallest size, range from 500m optimal out to 1500falloff ...sound slightly familiar?) |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 07:07:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote: The question was, "can a Dev tell us if the Forge Gun is a Railgun?" The chart (posted by a Dev) shows it under a listed title that says Hybrid - Railgun (long range). Everything under that listing is therefor a Railgun as stated by CCP Remnant.
Weapon game play characteristics is a moot point.
plasma- generalization (blasters/ cannons/ shotguns and TBA stuff) projectiles - generalizations (smgs/ HMG/ TBA stuff includes rifles its all) laser- generalizations(pulse and laser pointers or "beam") rail - generalization even thou you say its not (rifles/ forge/ TBA smg/rifle/pistols) explosives- completely generalizations( hand held/ gun launched/ missiles)
you going to tell me shotguns/cannons work in the same way blasters? or HMGs work just like SMGs? or remote explosives track targets like missiles?
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Posted - 2013.08.27 07:12:00 -
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both these threads been really fun :)... love your work everyone :) |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 07:12:00 -
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Guys guys. It clearly is a Ki based weapon. I'd say its probably powered by 100s of monks that channel their Ki into a capacitor. That's why it needs to charge, its like a Kamehameha in a gun. Also, it needs to lose its splash damage. |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 07:25:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote: The question was, "can a Dev tell us if the Forge Gun is a Railgun?" The chart (posted by a Dev) shows it under a listed title that says Hybrid - Railgun (long range). Everything under that listing is therefor a Railgun as stated by CCP Remnant.
Weapon game play characteristics is a moot point.
plasma- generalization (blasters/ cannons/ shotguns and TBA stuff) projectiles - generalizations (smgs/ HMG/ TBA stuff includes rifles its all) laser- generalizations(pulse and laser pointers or "beam") rail - generalization even thou you say its not (rifles/ forge/ TBA smg/rifle/pistols) explosives- completely generalizations( hand held/ gun launched/ missiles) you going to tell me shotguns/cannons work in the same way blasters? or HMGs work just like SMGs? or remote explosives track targets like missiles? Yes shotguns and Plasma Cannons work the same way blasters work. The only difference between them is the shape, size, and amount of plasma projectiles fired on one pull of the trigger, and the shape of the weapon firing them. Blasters are designed for medium range combat (longer barrel, single round expulsion in rapid succession) while shotguns are designed for very close range combat (multiple plasma pellets fired in a cluster from a very short but large diameter barrel).
HMG's and SMG's work the same. The only difference is the shape, size and amount of projectiles fired. The HMG has a longer barrel, therefore has greater range.
The lasers work similar to eachother. Light particles are magnified and intensified using a crystal.
Railguns work the same way! The only difference being the shape and size of the projectile, and the length of the weapon used to fire them! The longer the "rail" the greater the range!
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Posted - 2013.08.27 08:21:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote: The question was, "can a Dev tell us if the Forge Gun is a Railgun?" The chart (posted by a Dev) shows it under a listed title that says Hybrid - Railgun (long range). Everything under that listing is therefor a Railgun as stated by CCP Remnant.
Weapon game play characteristics is a moot point.
plasma- generalization (blasters/ cannons/ shotguns and TBA stuff) projectiles - generalizations (smgs/ HMG/ TBA stuff includes rifles its all) laser- generalizations(pulse and laser pointers or "beam") rail - generalization even thou you say its not (rifles/ forge/ TBA smg/rifle/pistols) explosives- completely generalizations( hand held/ gun launched/ missiles) you going to tell me shotguns/cannons work in the same way blasters? or HMGs work just like SMGs? or remote explosives track targets like missiles? Why are you trying to change the discussion? At no point did I ever state that two weapons in the same category had to have the same game play characteristics.
A Moot Point: An issue regarded as potentially debatable, but no longer practically applicable. Although the idea may still be worth debating and exploring academically, and such discussion may be useful for addressing similar issues in the future, the idea has been rendered irrelevant for the present issue.
Hence why I said, "Weapon game play characteristics is a moot point." This "generalizations" tangent has nothing to do with the question in Post #1. Obviously there is some parallel debate you have going that I am not privy to.
Regardless Forge Guns are railguns by CCPs categorization. Nothing more nothing less. |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 08:31:00 -
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its rail. |
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i win |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 08:56:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Cadari weaponry is usually either of two things. Rail based technology or Missile Based Technology
The Forge gun is Rail Based Tech. actually, the forge is a repurposed mining laser...... edit: just read ingame info, it is a repurposed mining railgun I knew it! |
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