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jingle wingle
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 08:59:00 -
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Have a cookie. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1016
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Posted - 2013.08.27 09:00:00 -
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thanks |
jingle wingle
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2013.08.27 09:01:00 -
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ChribbaX wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Cadari weaponry is usually either of two things. Rail based technology or Missile Based Technology
The Forge gun is Rail Based Tech. actually, the forge is a repurposed mining laser...... edit: just read ingame info, it is a repurposed mining railgun I knew it! 10 isk says Chribba specs into FG's now for some Veldspar love. |
jingle wingle
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2013.08.27 09:02:00 -
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NP |
R F Gyro
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
476
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Posted - 2013.08.27 09:06:00 -
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Lovely thread :-)
Some background on hybrid weapons here: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Hybrid_turret
Quote:'The weapon commonly referred to as a 'Railgun' does not utilize rails within the barrel of the gun that the charge slides on - mounting lugs are not visible on images of the charges. However, they are more likely to be what we call Coilguns (also known as Gauss guns), which operate by accelerating a magnetically-charged projectile with electromagnets.
As a Railgun does not have to traverse a heavy large-caliber barrel or generate a beam of high-energy light, it can be made smaller and lighter (and thus use much less powergrid than Artillery Cannons or Tachyon Beams).
Conversely, a Blaster first processes the Hybrid charge and turns it into a ball of plasma, held together by a strong electromagnetic containment field. This ball is then accelerated out of the weapon by the same method as a Railgun, but the containment field quickly dissipates once the ball leaves the barrel of the gun. This greatly affects effective range.
So a "railgun" in New Eden probably isn't even a railgun at all. |
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CCP Wolfman
C C P C C P Alliance
1404
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Posted - 2013.08.27 09:07:00 -
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its only a rail because they don't have the technology for throwing lamp posts... |
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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1017
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Posted - 2013.08.27 09:08:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:its only a rail because they don't have the technology for throwing lamp posts...
MIND BLOWN
wolfman throw back to anti-vehicle lampposts in E3 build!
i wish my tank shot lampposts! until then im stuck wishing for the day i can sell ym turret and strap a forge gun on my tank |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1028
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Posted - 2013.08.27 09:24:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:CCP Wolfman wrote:its only a rail because they don't have the technology for throwing lamp posts... MIND BLOWN wolfman throw back to anti-vehicle lampposts in E3 build! i wish my tank shot lampposts! until then im stuck wishing for the day i can sell ym turret and strap a forge gun on my tank
we need to teach new players their history, the horror of the OP lamp posts, can not be forgotten |
Ninjanomyx
TeamPlayers EoN.
274
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Posted - 2013.08.27 09:45:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:For a guy in the CPM...you know surprisingly little about EVE lore.
He knows surprisingly little about everything.....He's just a Faux Hardcore Gamer, he is that kinda Casual.....the bad kind |
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions
757
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Posted - 2013.08.27 09:56:00 -
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jingle wingle wrote:ChribbaX wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Cadari weaponry is usually either of two things. Rail based technology or Missile Based Technology
The Forge gun is Rail Based Tech. actually, the forge is a repurposed mining laser...... edit: just read ingame info, it is a repurposed mining railgun I knew it! 10 isk says Chribba specs into FG's now for some Veldspar love. At least will be trying to mine the ground |
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
646
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Posted - 2013.08.27 09:59:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:CCP Wolfman wrote:its only a rail because they don't have the technology for throwing lamp posts... MIND BLOWN wolfman throw back to anti-vehicle lampposts in E3 build! i wish my tank shot lampposts! until then im stuck wishing for the day i can sell ym turret and strap a forge gun on my tank we need to teach new players their history, the horror of the OP lamp posts, can not be forgotten
I heard forge guns use to fire LAVs too. |
Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
352
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Posted - 2013.08.27 13:31:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:its rail.
lol |
Anmol Singh
the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.08.27 13:34:00 -
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CCP Wolfman wrote:its rail.
Then why does a proto Assault FG do more damage than a proto railgun that worth 850k more isk and weighs 10 tons more? It also fires faster because railgun has fire delay... now dont tell me some **** about how the railgun has unlimited ammo... i know that... |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
147
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Posted - 2013.08.27 13:38:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:yes yes the DEVs (bless their lil hearts!) have classified the FG as a rail gun, but its description describes a process alien to rail gun technology. 1 blasters are hybrid because their ammunition is a metal casing around a plasma core 1.2 then again railguns use the same ammo... so the difference in names must be ... Something Else: Antimatter Charge Small: 7hp kinetic damage, 5hp thermal damage Consists of two components: a shell of titanium and a core of antimatter atoms suspended in plasma state. Railguns launch the shell directly, while particle blasters pump the plasma into a cyclotron and process the plasma into a bolt that is then fired. -50% optimal range Iridium Charge Small: 4 kinetic damage 3 thermal Consists of two components: a shell of titanium and a core of iridium atoms suspended in plasma state. Railguns launch the shell directly, while particle blasters pump the plasma into a cyclotron and process the plasma into a bolt that is then fired. 20% increased optimal range. 24% reduced capacitor need. among many others, all hybrid ammo does varying ratio's of kinetic and thermal damage. Light Ion Blaster 1 Particle blasters operate on a similar principle as the railgun except they fire a magnetically contained ball of subatomic particles. No other turret class can match the sheer destructive power of particle blasters, but due to the rapid dispersion of the containment field, it also has the worst range of all turrets. Requires hybrid charge types: Antimatter, Iridium, Iron, Lead, Plutonium, Thorium, Tungsten, Uranium. 150mm Railgun 1 This is a standard long-range railgun designed for frigates. Railguns use magnetic rails to fire solid chunks of matter at hypersonic speed. The accurate range of railguns is very good, but due to technical limitations it cannot use onboard guidance. This results in a fairly rapid drop in accuracy at extreme ranges. Requires hybrid charge types: Antimatter, Iridium, Iron, Lead, Plutonium, Thorium, Tungsten, Uranium. dun mind me too much, at this point i am poking fun at the devs for messing up either the FG's description or its physical attributes. ie: railguns... use rails to couple an armature, then pass a current thru this assembly to create a magnetic field which forces the armature along the rails propelling the payload. The length of the rails is an indicator of the acceleration needed to propel the projectile the desired distance. (hence my poking fun at the size of the FG if it is indeed a railgun) If the FG is as its ingame description implies, then it is actually a really really scary nasty Blaster. (and in EvE blasters as short range weapons in the smallest size, range from 500m optimal out to 1500falloff ...sound slightly familiar?)
very true, but I made a note that Eve sometimes conflates rails with coils, which I think the problem has spilled over into descriptions here.
note thread http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/topic/3686/railguns-or-coilguns-or-em-vs-gauss/
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Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
353
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Posted - 2013.08.27 13:39:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:CCP Wolfman wrote:its rail. Then why does a proto Assault FG do more damage than a proto railgun that worth 850k more isk and weighs 10 tons more? It also fires faster because railgun has fire delay... now dont tell me some **** about how the railgun has unlimited ammo... i know that...
cause its gangsta to hip fire.......
:)
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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
829
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Posted - 2013.08.27 13:43:00 -
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The community team does not possess ban hammers. They possess ban lamp posts. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
@CCP_Logibro |
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I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
709
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:41:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote: I heard forge guns use to fire LAVs too.
This |
Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.08.27 23:47:00 -
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Ok, E(VE)ducation pt. 2
(Ignoring the forge gun for a moment, although in the images it DOES seem to have rails, 2 of them mounted vertically)
Blasters and Railguns in EVE use the same ammunition and use a similar propulsion system, and are therefore referred to as 'Hybrid' weapons. This is a concept which only partly applies in DUST, because Railguns and Plasma weapons in DUST fire vastly different ammunition.
The reason Hybrid weapons/munitions exist in EVE is likely the modular turret design that is favored on ships throughout New Eden. Railguns using this configuration would be hard pressed to achieve truly devestating((see below)) effects from solid projectiles due to limited rail length (though better conducting rails and higher transit voltages could compensate) and possibly due to the effectiveness of shielding against purely kinetic weapons. As such, firing a payload rather than a solid slug could drastically increase damage potential while keeping power requirements for the weapons reasonable. This is the case with railguns in EVE (many of which ARE true railguns) which fire plasma canisters.
Now, in DUST, the only similarity between the two weapons is that they use electromagnetic force to propel their shots.
In DUST, as an anti-infantry setting, railguns can be devestating through the use of small, penetrating solid slugs fired at very high velocities. No payload is necessary, and in fact, would probably make the weapon less effective due to much higher mass and greater size of the projectile.
Plasma weaponry in dust varies a little bit. The plasma rifle loads solid lead slugs that have a special fuse on them. When the slug is chambered, the fuse turns the solid lead into plasma (solid-state conversion mentioned in the weapon description) which is then processed into a bolt by the weapons cyclotron before being expelled out the 'barrel' by the weapons own magnetic propulsion system. The plasma cannon, however, seems to utilize a very small plasma canister from which it takes pre-packaged plasma and processes it into a bolt like a blaster in EVE. Not sure about the blaster turrets, but I would venture a guess that they both function more like the rifle than the P.C.
((When i say devestating, I of course mean in terms of ship-on-ship combat. Eve weaponry is supremely destructive, but the near vacuum of space mitigates a lot of damage from any weapon that relies on any sort of non-directed energy. Plasma cools rapidly and disperses, shockwaves are nearly non-existent, etc.
So while antimatter weaponry is attractive in space, where the only matter it is reacting with is it's intended target, in-atmosphere it would be far too volatile, with 1 microgram of the stuff theorhetically annihilating with the energy of 30-40kg of TNT. That's one MICROGRAM. A small antimatter charge fired at a planet from a frigate in orbit? You've just ruined an entire city's day. )) |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II Top Men.
183
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Posted - 2013.08.28 00:07:00 -
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ChribbaX wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Cadari weaponry is usually either of two things. Rail based technology or Missile Based Technology
The Forge gun is Rail Based Tech. actually, the forge is a repurposed mining laser...... edit: just read ingame info, it is a repurposed mining railgun I knew it!
So minmatar tech or caldari? |
killian178
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
10
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:16:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:The community team does not possess ban hammers. They possess ban lamp posts.
Lol, favorite dev right there! |
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Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
543
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:19:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Bhal Jhor wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Cadari weaponry is usually either of two things. Rail based technology or Missile Based Technology
The Forge gun is Rail Based Tech. Seems to be a plasma weapon, so more on the blaster side of rail tech. That makes it's absurd range even more puzzling. While i''m not 100% sure of it's origins Only the Gallente use Plasma based Technology besides the Jovians. I just read the description and it says that it fires Kinetic Slugs by during the Pre-Firing stages Magnetism is a huge part in it's functionality as well as other Rail Based components. I'm not sure where that SVER guy got lasers from
Ah mining lasers, the best weapons in EVE. Stop shooting them, and in weeks time, a simple turret that's usually 50-300k would cost in the millions lol |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1043
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:21:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:ChribbaX wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Cadari weaponry is usually either of two things. Rail based technology or Missile Based Technology
The Forge gun is Rail Based Tech. actually, the forge is a repurposed mining laser...... edit: just read ingame info, it is a repurposed mining railgun I knew it! So minmatar tech or caldari?
Caldari |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
726
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:27:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:CCP Wolfman wrote:its rail. Then why does a proto Assault FG do more damage than a proto railgun that worth 850k more isk and weighs 10 tons more? It also fires faster because railgun has fire delay... now dont tell me some **** about how the railgun has unlimited ammo... i know that... Forge takes 2.5 to refire.
Rails take .6 to refire. Tanks have better refire. Better DPS. You never checked the charge time on rails before you go on a FG rant.
/mindblown |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
213
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:29:00 -
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lets give it a crappy ads..it looks as if it could be givin a sight..
of course i think the forge gunner would prefer the big 0... |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
567
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:30:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:lets give it a crappy ads..it looks as if it could be givin a sight..
of course i think the forge gunner would prefer the big 0... Give me a Red Dot Sight with Tac AR Zoom and leave the Aim from hip as is! |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Top Men.
1251
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Posted - 2013.08.28 07:28:00 -
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A whole post on a question created because someone is too lazy to read.
Read lore. It applies to these questions you all seem to feel a need to ask.
Better yet, don't argue with the people who CAN read. Because they try to give you the answer, but since it doesn't fit in that tiny little box you call a thought, it means the big, poopyhead, meanie literate person was lying to you! |
Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
361
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Posted - 2013.08.28 08:33:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:A whole post on a question created because someone is too lazy to read.
Read lore. It applies to these questions you all seem to feel a need to ask.
Better yet, don't argue with the people who CAN read. Because they try to give you the answer, but since it doesn't fit in that tiny little box you call a thought, it means the big, poopyhead, meanie literate person was lying to you!
if you'd stop blowing up our mining fleets we'd never think to turn our miners into weapons........ |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1035
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Posted - 2013.08.28 08:38:00 -
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Just look at the damn thing.... look at it... what else is it going to be |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Top Men.
1252
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Posted - 2013.08.28 09:39:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote: if you'd stop blowing up our mining fleets we'd never think to turn our miners into weapons........
Get over it. Those hulks were an eyesore and needed to go. |
Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
362
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Posted - 2013.08.28 10:24:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Billi Gene wrote: if you'd stop blowing up our mining fleets we'd never think to turn our miners into weapons........
Get over it. Those hulks were an eyesore and needed to go.
and i still have 18 payments left on them.... |
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