I agreed with Nova Knife about making the Swarm Launcher a TOW missile launcher!

I agreed with Nova Knife about making the Swarm Launcher a TOW missile launcher!

All of this could have been avoided of they simply buffed the vehicle engineering skill back up.

Maybe you should ask CCP to buff vehicles back to chromosome stats instead of making threads about how OP AV is.

AV is there to blow your toys up. Quit campaigning to make them impotent.

All of this could have been avoided of they simply buffed the vehicle engineering skill back up.

mad tanker is mad. im gonna keep spamming my massdriver, forgegun and soon swarms at people. Next up in 1.5:

CCP announces 1.5 AV changes:

weapons:
-forgegun blast radius is beeing increased from 3.0 meters to 5.0 meters
-massdriver reload time is beeing lowered by 50%
-plasma canon direct impact damage increased to 2500HP
-proximity mines damage increased to 6000HP omni damage

I agreed with Nova Knife about making the Swarm Launcher a TOW missile launcher!

I have created threads for all the current AV weapons of Dust to attempt constructive feedback and to create balance between vehicals and AV with the ideas of the entire Dust community. CCP Wolfman, i present to you all the tools you need here to form your AV changes in these threads:

*The Forgegun: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=103282
*The plasma Cannon: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1145262#post1145262
*The Swarm Launcher: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101971
*The AV Grenades: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=99452

Perhaps this could be posted as a sticky in feedback/requests or even General discusion? We would always be able to give you our ideas here if we are able to keep track of this thread. I will be bumping this thread untill i get some sort of response, and will be starting the "what do we want" threads for the various aspects of vehicles as well

Maybe you should ask CCP to buff vehicles back to chromosome stats instead of making threads about how OP AV is.

AV is there to blow your toys up. Quit campaigning to make them impotent.

You don't mention Proximity Mines, which are a vehicle-specific weapon.

Oh poop, your right. Ive never used these, never thought much of them cuz they suck. Or at least, i think they do... really have no idea. Geuss thats not included :/ dunno what to say about them. If anyone has a review of the mines then feel free to throw it in :)

Oh poop, your right. Ive never used these, never thought much of them cuz they suck. Or at least, i think they do... really have no idea. Geuss thats not included :/ dunno what to say about them. If anyone has a review of the mines then feel free to throw it in :)

yeah. Funny how things work

rendering is the main cause of tank failure, all weapon stats (AV and otherwise) are irrelevent unless rendering is fixed tanks will always be underpowered

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215112#post1215112

If they're unusably sucky, they probably need attention more than most. :/

Supposedly they put in a fix to deployment failures in 1.4 (you throw out a mine... it poofs instead of deploying). That's something, but the damage is too low for full sets to take out LLAV. You have to ask how many mines are you expected to successfully get a hit with to destroy X target.

There seem to be some hit-detection issues with faster vehicles, where LAVs don't always trip mines driving over them.

If you've taken STD mines, deployed three, then gone back to a supply depot, and deploy more.... that's required to hit the max deployment. Should you be able to kill a LLAV if you successfully hit them with not just every mine you can carry... but every one you can deploy?

STD/ADV/PRO do the same damage. It just changes how many you can deploy. They're more restrictive with respect to location that other AV, in that you have to get an enemy to pass over them.

Still requires 620k SP or whatever to get access to PRO (separate from the points in explosives of course).

If they're unusably sucky, they probably need attention more than most. :/

Supposedly they put in a fix to deployment failures in 1.4 (you throw out a mine... it poofs instead of deploying). That's something, but the damage is too low for full sets to take out LLAV. You have to ask how many mines are you expected to successfully get a hit with to destroy X target.

There seem to be some hit-detection issues with faster vehicles, where LAVs don't always trip mines driving over them.

If you've taken STD mines, deployed three, then gone back to a supply depot, and deploy more.... that's required to hit the max deployment. Should you be able to kill a LLAV if you successfully hit them with not just every mine you can carry... but every one you can deploy?

STD/ADV/PRO do the same damage. It just changes how many you can deploy. They're more restrictive with respect to location that other AV, in that you have to get an enemy to pass over them.

Still requires 620k SP or whatever to get access to PRO (separate from the points in explosives of course).

How does rendering affect proximity mines? Isn't that an audio cue at very close range?

I drove my BPO lav over some and heard a beeping noise before they went off, but I was already clear of the blast radius by then

I think it's more ironic. The whole reason they nerfed the PG was to give new players a chance to compete. If that were the case, why didn't they just work on matchmaking instead of saying it wasn't a top priority instead of widening the gap between newbie and veteran pilots? Who's going to want to try piloting anything when it's nearly impossible to fit anything at max skill?

Thanks for the threads, I'll go through them and pass them on. If you're looking to attract CCP Wolfman's attention in the future, I suggest laying out honeyed lamb as a suitable bait.

mad tanker is mad. im gonna keep spamming my massdriver, forgegun and soon swarms at people. Next up in 1.5:

CCP announces 1.5 AV changes:

weapons:
-forgegun blast radius is beeing increased from 3.0 meters to 5.0 meters
-massdriver reload time is beeing lowered by 50%
-plasma canon direct impact damage increased to 2500HP
-proximity mines damage increased to 6000HP omni damage

Maybe you should ask CCP to buff vehicles back to chromosome stats instead of making threads about how OP AV is.

AV is there to blow your toys up. Quit campaigning to make them impotent.

dude when 1 one guy with AV can kill a tank solo. its a problem.

i called out a tank with 5000+ ehp.

one guy with swarms fired 1 vooley, and throw 1 AV grenade. my tank explodes. WTF. kinda beats the point to having a tank, or even team work.

i mean 15 players on your team can run caldar assaults with duvolles, and then 1 guy uses swarms and Av nades and kills all enemy vehicles? WTF?

I think its okay for one person with proto AV to solo the standard tanks. Of course, not as quickly as they do now. For Exmaple soloing a tank with one clip is unacceptable, happens to my shield tank if im caught

most tankers as soon as they hit , even if they lose little shield try to run away or hide behind hill

they dont care from where and how , they just hide

rinse and repeat

i dont condemn them for that ,its normal , thats why tanks need to die from 1 clip , if not they just run and hide

and its a game of cat and mouse with a tank...

are... you serious? this is the most BS statement ive read to date, this community is getting dumber as time gos on, im developing autism in my ass. Its not enough for a single AV man to solo a tank, but you need to do it in one clip? Come on, thats rediculas one clip of a forge can be 6 seconds, thats how long it takes a tank to reach top speed from standing still. Yes, you need to work to get a kill, we hide behind things because we have no choice, you are PROTO AV and we are a STANDARD TANK. we have to run away and i, a tanker, just agreed you should be soloing us!! at least come to your sences and agree you can solo us, but give us an additional couple seconds to get away?? You AV players are so greedy, i cant belive you just said that

You really think they will listen? or read?

I did my own vehicle threadnaught, many ppl have made threads and what does CCP do?

They buff the easiest AV weapon beyond OP limits

Thanks for the threads, I'll go through them and pass them on. If you're looking to attract CCP Wolfman's attention in the future, I suggest laying out honeyed lamb as a suitable bait.

At first i said the same thing about reading/listening



Seems they proved us wrong in a good way :) ill give it one more shot, this is my attempt

IMO proxy mines do need a buff, they are too weak and minor do to any damage to vehicular targets, the only target they can trip on. They need a buff in damage, not the amount you can deploy to avoid mine spam.

Sweet! i thought the same Logibro but i dident wanna be the boy who cried wolf ;D

I have created threads for all the current AV weapons of Dust to attempt constructive feedback and to create balance between vehicals and AV with the ideas of the entire Dust community. CCP Wolfman, i present to you all the tools you need here to form your AV changes in these threads:

*The Forgegun: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=103282
*The plasma Cannon: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1145262#post1145262
*The Swarm Launcher: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101971
*The AV Grenades: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=99452

Perhaps this could be posted as a sticky in feedback/requests or even General discusion? We would always be able to give you our ideas here if we are able to keep track of this thread. I will be bumping this thread untill i get some sort of response, and will be starting the "what do we want" threads for the various aspects of vehicles as well

Your personal viewpoints on AV weaponry do not constitute a community viewpoint, and I'm very discouraged and disappointed that a Dev actually bothered to post in this thread.

Wait, the Plasma Cannon isn't an AV weapon, the weapons description states it's meant for "confined space combat", unless well be fighting tanks in hallways, I don't think cannons should be in this thread.

It does 1200 direct damage and has a clip of one, its an AV weapon. The description of the weapon means literally nothing, thats just lore and is only slightnly more valuable to dust than the in game effects of real life mechanics

Get out.

It has very little AV abilities for a reason, the lore supports the role it excels at, if it were meant to kill tanks/LAVs/DS it would have features to support that kind of play.

We have Assault Forge Guns, which work far better at doing AV, PC is meant for infantry, if all a weapon needs is damage to be AV, we might as well call a Charge Sniper Rifle AV.

AV weapons have certain traits that make them AV other than damage, FGs do huge damage over a long distance, but require a charge time and have little splash, limiting it's anti-infantry abilities, Swarms can't dumb fire anymore, so they can only do AV, AV nades track vehicles within range, and do nothing if there isn't a vehicle, Proxies need some work, PCs have about a 4 meters splash radius and a huge amount of splash damage, the reason it has a low clip and slow projectile speed is cause if it didn't the AR would have been replaced.

I'm not saying it doesn't have AV capabilities, I'm just saying it isn't an AV weapon for the reasons you purpose.

again i disagree. Its not a very good AV weapon but it does retain its 100% efficentcy ratting vs vehicals and other high damage weapons like charge sniper rifles and shotguns do not, they cant do AV because their not meant to be AV but a plasma cannon has all the features that an AV weapon describes and none of that of anti infantry weapons have. Anti infantry weapons have large clips, zero bullet time (rounds hit instantly), and do not have splash. They also do not do 1200 damage per shot, its clearly meant for AV, dispite the description of the weapon

From what I've gathered, you see it as an AV weapon that needs some work, while I see it as an infantry weapon that needs some work, for the good of the discussion, I will drop the subject and stay on topic.

As an AV weapon, I would say the PC could use a projectile speed buff and maybe 400 extra damage to the STD, with some better scaling across the tiers, I would also propose to have the Assault FG removed, as we can't have two guns performing the exact same job.

Get out.

You don't mention Proximity Mines, which are a vehicle-specific weapon.

AV need buff , then vehicules need buff , then AV need buff again , then vehicules need buff again , then AV need buff , then vehicules nee...

most tankers as soon as they hit , even if they lose little shield try to run away or hide behind hill

they dont care from where and how , they just hide

rinse and repeat

i dont condemn them for that ,its normal , thats why tanks need to die from 1 clip , if not they just run and hide

and its a game of cat and mouse with a tank...

Your personal viewpoints on AV weaponry do not constitute a community viewpoint, and I'm very discouraged and disappointed that a Dev actually bothered to post in this thread.

Yes Grenades should be made stronger, it should only take 3 Lai Dai to blow up any vehicle.

This is almost as sad as the end of M.A.S.H around here.

First off, Ex is a bit off, he is too busy driving around in a LLAV that took 9 Lai Dai's to blow up while I was not the only one throwing heat that way. So whatever he says is so trollish that I'm sure CCP took note, and will make the changes to cater to his style of play exclusively and I can only assume that ccp's lack of understanding of english and the OP's dyslexia is going to make these thoughts seem relevant when a vast majority of the things they (vehicle users) are saying is untrue.

Yes Grenades should be made stronger, it should only take 3 Lai Dai to blow up any vehicle.

Yes Grenades should not just disappear the basic should last 1 minute on the ground, the advanced 1.5 and the proto 2 min. Their homing range needs to be made bigger and more effective as I have thrown AV grenades over a dropship that tried to crush someone.

Yes Swarm launchers should be able to hit a dropship trying to go all the way to the top of the map, and also assault 2 target possibles should be able to lock on to the same vehicle twice in order to blow them up.

Yes Just like the Swarm Launcher the forge gun should only work against the vehicles.

Yes the Number of Grenades one can carry for AV should be increased to 6 since the first 2 like to bounce off the vehicle.

Nano-hives need to give grenades faster I am tired of throwing down 3 of them just to maybe get a chance to blow them up.

I can spout off nonsense but I know for a fact only the weakest tanks die to my grenades along with the dumbest drivers, you let me throw out 6 right in front of you and enticed you to try to engage me, thus rolling over 6 and then getting hit by 2-3 more.

LOL I usually respect BHD, but that's just insane. Let me guess, you want the damage buffed to 3500 per grenade, instead of being where it is now?

Right you know about as much of respect as you know about the AV vs Vehicle situation.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

LOL!

Thanks for the threads, I'll go through them and pass them on. If you're looking to attract CCP Wolfman's attention in the future, I suggest laying out honeyed lamb as a suitable bait.

This is almost as sad as the end of M.A.S.H around here.

First off, Ex is a bit off, he is too busy driving around in a LLAV that took 9 Lai Dai's to blow up while I was not the only one throwing heat that way. So whatever he says is so trollish that I'm sure CCP took note, and will make the changes to cater to his style of play exclusively and I can only assume that ccp's lack of understanding of english and the OP's dyslexia is going to make these thoughts seem relevant when a vast majority of the things they (vehicle users) are saying is untrue.

Yes Grenades should be made stronger, it should only take 3 Lai Dai to blow up any vehicle.

Yes Grenades should not just disappear the basic should last 1 minute on the ground, the advanced 1.5 and the proto 2 min. Their homing range needs to be made bigger and more effective as I have thrown AV grenades over a dropship that tried to crush someone.

Yes Swarm launchers should be able to hit a dropship trying to go all the way to the top of the map, and also assault 2 target possibles should be able to lock on to the same vehicle twice in order to blow them up.

Yes Just like the Swarm Launcher the forge gun should only work against the vehicles.

Yes the Number of Grenades one can carry for AV should be increased to 6 since the first 2 like to bounce off the vehicle.

Nano-hives need to give grenades faster I am tired of throwing down 3 of them just to maybe get a chance to blow them up.

I can spout off nonsense but I know for a fact only the weakest tanks die to my grenades along with the dumbest drivers, you let me throw out 6 right in front of you and enticed you to try to engage me, thus rolling over 6 and then getting hit by 2-3 more.

CCP disregard these cherrypicked threads.

Please conduct your own research with CPM.

Thank you for reading this far.

and also be able to lock 2 targets at once, another 2 buffs

This would go a long way to solving the problem of HAVs dominating where no AV exists, AND the problem of HAVs destroying Supply Depots that are easily being overun by blue infantry ready to hack and supply themselves with hives and switch from their AV fit they no longer need as there are 3 blue HAVs on the field (happened last night so I made it my purpose to deny them the CRU kills by hacking them early before the red dots were killed, lets face it, I couldn't switch to my AR and be useful cos they blew the Supply Depot we had secured already.)

If HAVs needed the supply depots as much as infantry did, we might see more balanced fights between nonAV skilled infantry and HAVs, if they could control the Supply Depots denying the enemy HAVs of ammunition would be a valid tactic. Obviously maps would need to be adjusted to account for vehicles dependancy and you could even incorporate vehicle ammo supply modules for logistics LAVs n dropships etc. ... give them a purpose too.

Although I don't agree with most of his ideas, the one about locking 2 targets already exists, he jjust wanted it to lock the same target twice for some strange reason ... it isn't used at all because I for one have never found out (or really tried to) how you would go about launching missiles to the locked target you want it to go to, is it just random, who knows, who cares it's a pretty useless variation on swarms to be honest.

Yea thats the assault version, he prob wants it for his wyrkomis so it fires 12missiles 6 at each

I actually came here to quote this from another thread ...

discuss ...

I have created threads for all the current AV weapons of Dust to attempt constructive feedback and to create balance between vehicals and AV with the ideas of the entire Dust community. CCP Wolfman, i present to you all the tools you need here to form your AV changes in these threads:

*The Forgegun: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=103282
*The plasma Cannon: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1145262#post1145262
*The Swarm Launcher: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101971
*The AV Grenades: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=99452

Perhaps this could be posted as a sticky in feedback/requests or even General discusion? We would always be able to give you our ideas here if we are able to keep track of this thread. I will be bumping this thread untill i get some sort of response, and will be starting the "what do we want" threads for the various aspects of vehicles as well

What about diff types of ammo to begin with? explosive, thermal, kinetic and EM we dont have them

What about the cargohold for all vehicles so i can stock up on 100k of ammo for the large turret and leave 0 ammo for the small, do i get skills to increase my cargohold? if no cargohold then depots would have to be moved so vehicles can access it, if we need a special nanohive then that needs to be made but also means we need a logi to carry it

What about vehicle locks? i dont want johnny bluedots wasting the ammo he hasnt paid for

What about not putting turrets on a vehicle? why should i have to, if i want no small turrets that should be my choice not an invalid vehicle, i can do this in EVE if i want to why not DUST?

What about clip sizes? what would they be?

What about overheating? FG dont have overheating because they have clips so if that happened to railguns then overheating wouldnt be a problem and also we lose some active and passive heat sinks because they are not needed

What about skills? if the turrets have clips and reloading do we have skills like the small arms have where we can increase ammo stored, or more ammo in the clip and faster reloading

What about infantry easily swapping from tryhard fit to AV fit in a second at a depot? a vehicle can not hand around an enemy depot because lolAVnades from behind it so we whack it

If these cannot be answered then no, tbh i want the vast majority of it to be sorted out 1st, i need to be able to control my vehicle, control who gets in it or not, how i can fit it up and not be told it needs to be fitted up like this

Sorry but that's about what I expected from you ... a long list of "What abouts".

I'll make it simple for you ... answer me one question ... Should vehicles have limited ammo ? ... the whys and wherefores can be ironed out in the implementation of it, but it's a very simple question ... Yes or No ?

What about diff types of ammo to begin with? explosive, thermal, kinetic and EM we dont have them - No we don't have EM swarm launcher ammo either, it's irrelavant to the idea

What about the cargohold for all vehicles so i can stock up on 100k of ammo for the large turret and leave 0 ammo for the small, do i get skills to increase my cargohold? if no cargohold then depots would have to be moved so vehicles can access it, if we need a special nanohive then that needs to be made but also means we need a logi to carry it - no, I can't stock up on swarms and leave out sidearm ammo so why should vehicles be different ... they would have an ammo limit per turret like handheld weapons have, not in a cargohold but in a magazine like modern tanks have, why not have skills to increase them, I did say maps need adjusting and I did mention ammo supply modules for logistics vehicles could be introduced

What about vehicle locks? i dont want johnny bluedots wasting the ammo he hasnt paid for - Infantry don't pay for ammo, why would vehicles

What about not putting turrets on a vehicle? why should i have to, if i want no small turrets that should be my choice not an invalid vehicle, i can do this in EVE if i want to why not DUST? - irrelavant to requiring ammo for the turrets you do fit, but I agree fittings should be customizable how you want them, why should dropsuits be required to carry a light weapon to be valid

What about clip sizes? what would they be? - they would be balanced

What about overheating? FG dont have overheating because they have clips so if that happened to railguns then overheating wouldnt be a problem and also we lose some active and passive heat sinks because they are not needed - a valid point to be addressed in the implementation, doesn't affecty whether it should be implemented or not

What about skills? if the turrets have clips and reloading do we have skills like the small arms have where we can increase ammo stored, or more ammo in the clip and faster reloading - as you already asked above, I'll ignore this duplicate question

What about infantry easily swapping from tryhard fit to AV fit in a second at a depot? a vehicle can not hand around an enemy depot because lolAVnades from behind it so we whack it - my mention of that was in relation to a supply depot that we had already overun and were hacking, the HAVs were just after the easy wp and not thinking about the team wanted to lose the AV fits they didn't need anymore with so many HAVs on our side, they'd think twice if they were at all reliant on these structures

If these cannot be answered then no, tbh i want the vast majority of it to be sorted out 1st, i need to be able to control my vehicle, control who gets in it or not, how i can fit it up and not be told it needs to be fitted up like this - they've all been answered now, tbh we should be discussing ideas like this well before 1.5 is set in stone so they can consider all options to make this game fun for everyone, vehicle, AV and infantry alike, yes we've said since more than a year ago that vehicles need control over who jumps in and I agree there shouldn't be false restrictions on how you fit things, but dropping 2 small turrets to fit a large turret with unlimited ammo and all the tank you can manage to be indistructible isn't going to be good for the game, it will have to have some restrictions put on it such as limited ammo. You generally have a Supply Depot in you redline it just means you'd be forced out of the battle for a period rather than sitting there with your finger on the trigger till AV shows up.

If you really want me to disect your post here goes ...

No you havnt answered them, you have guessed, how would we know they would be in? - How would we know what would be in ? AND Yes I have answered EVERY question in a way that could be implemented in the game, I haven't guessed ANYTHING I've made suggestions as to how it could work

Its not irrelevent its needed overall - as is ammo types for handheld weapons ... it's still irrelevant to the idea of vehicles having ammo restraints, your missiles will still be armor effective and rails against shields

Why should vehicles have an ammo limit? its a vehicle, a tank is massive compared to the goobags so i should be able to carry 10 times the amount if not more, also large turrets carry larger shells - you answered your own question there, "large turrets carry larger shells" therefore taking up more space in your magazine, railguns and missiles would have smaller magazines than blaster turrets

So no vehicle locks so johnny bluetard can waste my ammo anyways, i dont want him in the tank full stop, this is an issue - who said no vehicle locks ? ... "yes we've said since more than a year ago that vehicles need control over who jumps in" was what I said

Being able to have no turrets means no bluedots firing my turrets and letting ppl know where i am, also it would mean he cant waste my turret ammo if i choose to have turrets but again it means i have no control over my tank - how would a gunner waste your turret ammo if each turret had it's own ammo magazine, in the same way each infantry weapon has it's own magazine, if I run out of smg bullets I still have swarms, if you ran out of small blaster turret ammo on the front gun, the top gun would still have it's magazine and the large gun would have it's ammo, the rest of this line I refer you above to the vehicle locks.

They would be balanced, lolno look at 1.4 4 buffs to swarms - how does that affect future balance of something that's not even implemented, you're good at these irrelevant arguments aren't you

So because its a vehicle overheating is still allowed, the only way i would allow overheating to stay in with clip sizes if it means i can do what it does in EVE ie it overheats the turret but fires faster but also to repair the turret i need nanite paste unless the damage effects the whole vehicle which it shouldnt - who said that ! ... I said it's a valid point that needs to be considered in balancing it, maybe overheat is removed, or maybe it's balanced in the same way HMG, Lazer Rifles, Scrambler Rifles are all balanced with ammo and overheats in mind

If turrets have clips and reloading times we need skills to be able to reduce it, dont give be BS answer its our primary weapon like an AR is to infantry yet they can use skills but lol its a vehicle so you cant so it fair - here we go again, arguing against statements I haven't made, I don't know why I bother ... YES SKILLS WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA !!! ... is that clear enough for you to comprehend ?

No mention of putting supply depots where we can reach them, also no mention of stopping the swaps at depots from an AR fit to AV fit, that alone makes us destroy them because they hide behind them - Yes there was mention of maps needing to be altered, and why would you stop infantry changing fits at a supply depot, what would make you think twice about destroying them would be if you gained something from having them, I don't know, like supplying yourself with ammo !

They havnt been answered, they have half arsed answers of have been ignored, not all redlines have supply depots either and if you think dropping 2 small makes a tank invicible then your are so wrong, taking off all 3 turrets makes it a damn good strong tank but with no offensive capabilitys whatsoever so i dont see the problem - they all have answers you just have trouble reading them, they're all there I promise you ... I'm having trouble understanding "they have half arsed answers of have been ignored" if you could rearrange those words into a sentence for me ... not all red lines have supply depots NO, not all maps have redlines either, but as above, maps would need to be looked at again with this in mind ... and I ment it shouldn't be possible to make an invincible one man HAV by removing secondary turrets, but it should be possible to remove them in favor of a higher tanking ability

All you seem to want is to sort out ammo but dont fix any of the problems that ive brought up so effectively trying to nerf vehicles and force teamwork where currently AV doesnt have to use teamwork and still get buffs - So tell me exactly which problem I haven't fixed, other than the overheat which I said would need balancing with ammo in the same way HMG, Lazer, Scrambler all do. AV has to use teamwork to survive against other infantry unless it's AV grenades which are just wrong and Forges which lose next to no anti-infantry ability aswell other than their slow movement which is compensated with higher base hp ... and how is limiting ammo forcing teamwork out of vehicles, infantry don't need teamwork to run to a supply depot for ammo, nor would vehicles

Why should vehicles have an ammo limit? its a vehicle, a tank is massive compared to the goobags so i should be able to carry 10 times the amount if not more, also large turrets carry larger shells

BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT MANUFACTURING AMMO INSIDE A GOD DAMN TANK.
Fine it could potentially be able to carry 10 times the ammo FOOT-SOLDIERS carry but you said it yourself, turrets have larger shells that would decrease the amount of space you have for ammo.

Seriously think about what your saying before you say it.

So no vehicle locks so johnny bluetard can waste my ammo anyways, i dont want him in the tank full stop, this is an issue

So because its a vehicle overheating is still allowed, the only way i would allow overheating to stay in with clip sizes if it means i can do what it does in EVE ie it overheats the turret but fires faster but also to repair the turret i need nanite paste unless the damage effects the whole vehicle which it shouldnt

If turrets have clips and reloading times we need skills to be able to reduce it, dont give be BS answer its our primary weapon like an AR is to infantry yet they can use skills but lol its a vehicle so you cant so it fair

No mention of putting supply depots where we can reach them, also no mention of stopping the swaps at depots from an AR fit to AV fit, that alone makes us destroy them because they hide behind them

How do you know im not?

Internal nanites working away in a small compartment of the tank

Even if the cargohold can carry more ammo and large does take more space it might not be that much, i can always skip small turret ammo or take of the turrets intead

As I said, reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it, this is why you're arguing against points I haven't even made.

This is why vehicles are being overhauled in 1.5 ... I bet you get a lot of the things you want like the ability to kick people, you already have a lock timer when a vehicle is dropped so only the owner can get in for so many seconds, why do you need a cargohold when there is no cargo to carry ? all you need is a magazine for ammo, the same as any handheld weapon has. Supply Depots can be placed anywhere with very little dev effort and vehicles operating without turrets is an easy modification when they're "overhauling vehicles" in 1.5.

Also Matchmaking is coming in 1.4 which will go a long way to addressing the "2 groups of 6 murdering randoms" problem you mentioned and guess what ... "overhauling vehicles" in 1.5 most likely means the return of the Sagaris and Surya since that's a MAJOR sticking point in the AV/vehicle balance right now.

So what you're saying is ... as long as they get these things right when they overhaul vehicles in 1.5 ... you don't object to limiting ammo in this way ?

I think we have a breakthrough people !

Until 1.5 passes then we can relook at the problems because i also hope that we get the basic things we need, after 1.4 suprise i hope that 1.5 is ******* good

This is what i need in 1.5 for defo

1. Vehicle locks & kicking - Lock can be to squad or corp/solo even, but the kick is for if johnny gets in if i leave it at squad lock and not solo lock which means no ****** can get in

2. Adv/proto hulls/mods - Self explantory

3. The ability to take off all turrets - I want to do this because it would make one hell of a funny tank and it wouldnt be too bad to have as it means you can make new and intresting fits

Put up on par with proto AV so we can tank it at least and not get insta gibbed

As for the ammo, supply depots would need moving & put in all redlines, clips to be made for all turrets and skills to be put into the turret tree for faster reloading, prof skills i would say, also fitting skill book to lower requirements, also not to rely on supply depots a vehicle nanohive but i expect vehicle to be able to carry a far amount of ammo, not 12 shells and thats it

1.5 has to pass 1st to see what we get, until then ammo for me is so far down on the list its really not worth it currently because so many problems exist which are far more important

Then why do you always say to nerf AV. You just said it yourself. Wait until 1.5 to do anything.

The problem with HAVs is they are a self perpetuating problem ... they are too damn good at killing infantry when there is no skilled AV ... hopefully matchmaking will consider this and not put vehicle specialists into matches without AV specialists of similar skill to make a fair battle with an equal chance of the AV winning or the vehicles winning.

But the fact that HAVs can decimate infantry without pausing is what causes people to invest into a counter, whether it be breeding more HAV specialists or people investing into some form of AV ... so you end up with every medium frame user having advanced swarms, every heavy using having a forge, even scouts making sure they have some proto grenades, just in case ... plus you get more vehicles being fielded.

The conclusion is a messy one where you can't field a vehicle without there being considerable AV options against you, and Supply Depots aside, it only takes one death to spawn in with you AV fit ... if I'm running cheap suits I sometimes run at enemies with my injector out if it's taking too long to die and I've no other way to get my AV fit out !

Implementing ammo in vehicles would go a long way to limiting their ability to sit and massacre infantry which is what leads to AV not being a specialisation but being a necessity ... I don't want everyone carrying swarm launchers or AV grenades (which should be removed) ... killing vehicles is what I SPECIALISED into. Having an advanced assault rifle was a necessity for those matches with no vehicles in, which are now non existent because of the above point.

Then its working tbh, if its blaster fit and no AV to counter it then of course its going to win

Matchmaking i hope it means basic vehicle vs basic AV

Yes, but it shouldn't be able to just sit there firing for the entire match, it should be required some downtime by a need to resupply ammo or allow capacitors to recharge or something to stop it from just sitting there firing with a few seconds pause if you're daft enough to run into overheat on the turret.

Yes hopefully it will be able to distinguish people who are heavily invested in AV and balance them in battles against people similarly invested into vehicles ... I don't want to OHK Sicas n Somas with my proto swarms ... I want a challenge.

Forge gun is not AV and it is not called that anywhere in the game.

Thank you for your time.