AV need buff , then vehicules need buff , then AV need buff again , then vehicules need buff again , then AV need buff , then vehicules nee...

most tankers as soon as they hit , even if they lose little shield try to run away or hide behind hill

they dont care from where and how , they just hide

rinse and repeat

i dont condemn them for that ,its normal , thats why tanks need to die from 1 clip , if not they just run and hide

and its a game of cat and mouse with a tank...

Your personal viewpoints on AV weaponry do not constitute a community viewpoint, and I'm very discouraged and disappointed that a Dev actually bothered to post in this thread.

Yes Grenades should be made stronger, it should only take 3 Lai Dai to blow up any vehicle.

This is almost as sad as the end of M.A.S.H around here.

First off, Ex is a bit off, he is too busy driving around in a LLAV that took 9 Lai Dai's to blow up while I was not the only one throwing heat that way. So whatever he says is so trollish that I'm sure CCP took note, and will make the changes to cater to his style of play exclusively and I can only assume that ccp's lack of understanding of english and the OP's dyslexia is going to make these thoughts seem relevant when a vast majority of the things they (vehicle users) are saying is untrue.

Yes Grenades should be made stronger, it should only take 3 Lai Dai to blow up any vehicle.

Yes Grenades should not just disappear the basic should last 1 minute on the ground, the advanced 1.5 and the proto 2 min. Their homing range needs to be made bigger and more effective as I have thrown AV grenades over a dropship that tried to crush someone.

Yes Swarm launchers should be able to hit a dropship trying to go all the way to the top of the map, and also assault 2 target possibles should be able to lock on to the same vehicle twice in order to blow them up.

Yes Just like the Swarm Launcher the forge gun should only work against the vehicles.

Yes the Number of Grenades one can carry for AV should be increased to 6 since the first 2 like to bounce off the vehicle.

Nano-hives need to give grenades faster I am tired of throwing down 3 of them just to maybe get a chance to blow them up.

I can spout off nonsense but I know for a fact only the weakest tanks die to my grenades along with the dumbest drivers, you let me throw out 6 right in front of you and enticed you to try to engage me, thus rolling over 6 and then getting hit by 2-3 more.

LOL I usually respect BHD, but that's just insane. Let me guess, you want the damage buffed to 3500 per grenade, instead of being where it is now?

Right you know about as much of respect as you know about the AV vs Vehicle situation.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

LOL!

Thanks for the threads, I'll go through them and pass them on. If you're looking to attract CCP Wolfman's attention in the future, I suggest laying out honeyed lamb as a suitable bait.

This is almost as sad as the end of M.A.S.H around here.

First off, Ex is a bit off, he is too busy driving around in a LLAV that took 9 Lai Dai's to blow up while I was not the only one throwing heat that way. So whatever he says is so trollish that I'm sure CCP took note, and will make the changes to cater to his style of play exclusively and I can only assume that ccp's lack of understanding of english and the OP's dyslexia is going to make these thoughts seem relevant when a vast majority of the things they (vehicle users) are saying is untrue.

Yes Grenades should be made stronger, it should only take 3 Lai Dai to blow up any vehicle.

Yes Grenades should not just disappear the basic should last 1 minute on the ground, the advanced 1.5 and the proto 2 min. Their homing range needs to be made bigger and more effective as I have thrown AV grenades over a dropship that tried to crush someone.

Yes Swarm launchers should be able to hit a dropship trying to go all the way to the top of the map, and also assault 2 target possibles should be able to lock on to the same vehicle twice in order to blow them up.

Yes Just like the Swarm Launcher the forge gun should only work against the vehicles.

Yes the Number of Grenades one can carry for AV should be increased to 6 since the first 2 like to bounce off the vehicle.

Nano-hives need to give grenades faster I am tired of throwing down 3 of them just to maybe get a chance to blow them up.

I can spout off nonsense but I know for a fact only the weakest tanks die to my grenades along with the dumbest drivers, you let me throw out 6 right in front of you and enticed you to try to engage me, thus rolling over 6 and then getting hit by 2-3 more.

CCP disregard these cherrypicked threads.

Please conduct your own research with CPM.

Thank you for reading this far.

and also be able to lock 2 targets at once, another 2 buffs

This would go a long way to solving the problem of HAVs dominating where no AV exists, AND the problem of HAVs destroying Supply Depots that are easily being overun by blue infantry ready to hack and supply themselves with hives and switch from their AV fit they no longer need as there are 3 blue HAVs on the field (happened last night so I made it my purpose to deny them the CRU kills by hacking them early before the red dots were killed, lets face it, I couldn't switch to my AR and be useful cos they blew the Supply Depot we had secured already.)

If HAVs needed the supply depots as much as infantry did, we might see more balanced fights between nonAV skilled infantry and HAVs, if they could control the Supply Depots denying the enemy HAVs of ammunition would be a valid tactic. Obviously maps would need to be adjusted to account for vehicles dependancy and you could even incorporate vehicle ammo supply modules for logistics LAVs n dropships etc. ... give them a purpose too.

Although I don't agree with most of his ideas, the one about locking 2 targets already exists, he jjust wanted it to lock the same target twice for some strange reason ... it isn't used at all because I for one have never found out (or really tried to) how you would go about launching missiles to the locked target you want it to go to, is it just random, who knows, who cares it's a pretty useless variation on swarms to be honest.

Yea thats the assault version, he prob wants it for his wyrkomis so it fires 12missiles 6 at each

I actually came here to quote this from another thread ...

discuss ...

I have created threads for all the current AV weapons of Dust to attempt constructive feedback and to create balance between vehicals and AV with the ideas of the entire Dust community. CCP Wolfman, i present to you all the tools you need here to form your AV changes in these threads:

*The Forgegun: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=103282
*The plasma Cannon: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1145262#post1145262
*The Swarm Launcher: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101971
*The AV Grenades: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=99452

Perhaps this could be posted as a sticky in feedback/requests or even General discusion? We would always be able to give you our ideas here if we are able to keep track of this thread. I will be bumping this thread untill i get some sort of response, and will be starting the "what do we want" threads for the various aspects of vehicles as well

What about diff types of ammo to begin with? explosive, thermal, kinetic and EM we dont have them

What about the cargohold for all vehicles so i can stock up on 100k of ammo for the large turret and leave 0 ammo for the small, do i get skills to increase my cargohold? if no cargohold then depots would have to be moved so vehicles can access it, if we need a special nanohive then that needs to be made but also means we need a logi to carry it

What about vehicle locks? i dont want johnny bluedots wasting the ammo he hasnt paid for

What about not putting turrets on a vehicle? why should i have to, if i want no small turrets that should be my choice not an invalid vehicle, i can do this in EVE if i want to why not DUST?

What about clip sizes? what would they be?

What about overheating? FG dont have overheating because they have clips so if that happened to railguns then overheating wouldnt be a problem and also we lose some active and passive heat sinks because they are not needed

What about skills? if the turrets have clips and reloading do we have skills like the small arms have where we can increase ammo stored, or more ammo in the clip and faster reloading

What about infantry easily swapping from tryhard fit to AV fit in a second at a depot? a vehicle can not hand around an enemy depot because lolAVnades from behind it so we whack it

If these cannot be answered then no, tbh i want the vast majority of it to be sorted out 1st, i need to be able to control my vehicle, control who gets in it or not, how i can fit it up and not be told it needs to be fitted up like this

Sorry but that's about what I expected from you ... a long list of "What abouts".

I'll make it simple for you ... answer me one question ... Should vehicles have limited ammo ? ... the whys and wherefores can be ironed out in the implementation of it, but it's a very simple question ... Yes or No ?

What about diff types of ammo to begin with? explosive, thermal, kinetic and EM we dont have them - No we don't have EM swarm launcher ammo either, it's irrelavant to the idea

What about the cargohold for all vehicles so i can stock up on 100k of ammo for the large turret and leave 0 ammo for the small, do i get skills to increase my cargohold? if no cargohold then depots would have to be moved so vehicles can access it, if we need a special nanohive then that needs to be made but also means we need a logi to carry it - no, I can't stock up on swarms and leave out sidearm ammo so why should vehicles be different ... they would have an ammo limit per turret like handheld weapons have, not in a cargohold but in a magazine like modern tanks have, why not have skills to increase them, I did say maps need adjusting and I did mention ammo supply modules for logistics vehicles could be introduced

What about vehicle locks? i dont want johnny bluedots wasting the ammo he hasnt paid for - Infantry don't pay for ammo, why would vehicles

What about not putting turrets on a vehicle? why should i have to, if i want no small turrets that should be my choice not an invalid vehicle, i can do this in EVE if i want to why not DUST? - irrelavant to requiring ammo for the turrets you do fit, but I agree fittings should be customizable how you want them, why should dropsuits be required to carry a light weapon to be valid

What about clip sizes? what would they be? - they would be balanced

What about overheating? FG dont have overheating because they have clips so if that happened to railguns then overheating wouldnt be a problem and also we lose some active and passive heat sinks because they are not needed - a valid point to be addressed in the implementation, doesn't affecty whether it should be implemented or not

What about skills? if the turrets have clips and reloading do we have skills like the small arms have where we can increase ammo stored, or more ammo in the clip and faster reloading - as you already asked above, I'll ignore this duplicate question

What about infantry easily swapping from tryhard fit to AV fit in a second at a depot? a vehicle can not hand around an enemy depot because lolAVnades from behind it so we whack it - my mention of that was in relation to a supply depot that we had already overun and were hacking, the HAVs were just after the easy wp and not thinking about the team wanted to lose the AV fits they didn't need anymore with so many HAVs on our side, they'd think twice if they were at all reliant on these structures

If these cannot be answered then no, tbh i want the vast majority of it to be sorted out 1st, i need to be able to control my vehicle, control who gets in it or not, how i can fit it up and not be told it needs to be fitted up like this - they've all been answered now, tbh we should be discussing ideas like this well before 1.5 is set in stone so they can consider all options to make this game fun for everyone, vehicle, AV and infantry alike, yes we've said since more than a year ago that vehicles need control over who jumps in and I agree there shouldn't be false restrictions on how you fit things, but dropping 2 small turrets to fit a large turret with unlimited ammo and all the tank you can manage to be indistructible isn't going to be good for the game, it will have to have some restrictions put on it such as limited ammo. You generally have a Supply Depot in you redline it just means you'd be forced out of the battle for a period rather than sitting there with your finger on the trigger till AV shows up.

If you really want me to disect your post here goes ...

No you havnt answered them, you have guessed, how would we know they would be in? - How would we know what would be in ? AND Yes I have answered EVERY question in a way that could be implemented in the game, I haven't guessed ANYTHING I've made suggestions as to how it could work

Its not irrelevent its needed overall - as is ammo types for handheld weapons ... it's still irrelevant to the idea of vehicles having ammo restraints, your missiles will still be armor effective and rails against shields

Why should vehicles have an ammo limit? its a vehicle, a tank is massive compared to the goobags so i should be able to carry 10 times the amount if not more, also large turrets carry larger shells - you answered your own question there, "large turrets carry larger shells" therefore taking up more space in your magazine, railguns and missiles would have smaller magazines than blaster turrets

So no vehicle locks so johnny bluetard can waste my ammo anyways, i dont want him in the tank full stop, this is an issue - who said no vehicle locks ? ... "yes we've said since more than a year ago that vehicles need control over who jumps in" was what I said

Being able to have no turrets means no bluedots firing my turrets and letting ppl know where i am, also it would mean he cant waste my turret ammo if i choose to have turrets but again it means i have no control over my tank - how would a gunner waste your turret ammo if each turret had it's own ammo magazine, in the same way each infantry weapon has it's own magazine, if I run out of smg bullets I still have swarms, if you ran out of small blaster turret ammo on the front gun, the top gun would still have it's magazine and the large gun would have it's ammo, the rest of this line I refer you above to the vehicle locks.

They would be balanced, lolno look at 1.4 4 buffs to swarms - how does that affect future balance of something that's not even implemented, you're good at these irrelevant arguments aren't you

So because its a vehicle overheating is still allowed, the only way i would allow overheating to stay in with clip sizes if it means i can do what it does in EVE ie it overheats the turret but fires faster but also to repair the turret i need nanite paste unless the damage effects the whole vehicle which it shouldnt - who said that ! ... I said it's a valid point that needs to be considered in balancing it, maybe overheat is removed, or maybe it's balanced in the same way HMG, Lazer Rifles, Scrambler Rifles are all balanced with ammo and overheats in mind

If turrets have clips and reloading times we need skills to be able to reduce it, dont give be BS answer its our primary weapon like an AR is to infantry yet they can use skills but lol its a vehicle so you cant so it fair - here we go again, arguing against statements I haven't made, I don't know why I bother ... YES SKILLS WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA !!! ... is that clear enough for you to comprehend ?

No mention of putting supply depots where we can reach them, also no mention of stopping the swaps at depots from an AR fit to AV fit, that alone makes us destroy them because they hide behind them - Yes there was mention of maps needing to be altered, and why would you stop infantry changing fits at a supply depot, what would make you think twice about destroying them would be if you gained something from having them, I don't know, like supplying yourself with ammo !

They havnt been answered, they have half arsed answers of have been ignored, not all redlines have supply depots either and if you think dropping 2 small makes a tank invicible then your are so wrong, taking off all 3 turrets makes it a damn good strong tank but with no offensive capabilitys whatsoever so i dont see the problem - they all have answers you just have trouble reading them, they're all there I promise you ... I'm having trouble understanding "they have half arsed answers of have been ignored" if you could rearrange those words into a sentence for me ... not all red lines have supply depots NO, not all maps have redlines either, but as above, maps would need to be looked at again with this in mind ... and I ment it shouldn't be possible to make an invincible one man HAV by removing secondary turrets, but it should be possible to remove them in favor of a higher tanking ability

All you seem to want is to sort out ammo but dont fix any of the problems that ive brought up so effectively trying to nerf vehicles and force teamwork where currently AV doesnt have to use teamwork and still get buffs - So tell me exactly which problem I haven't fixed, other than the overheat which I said would need balancing with ammo in the same way HMG, Lazer, Scrambler all do. AV has to use teamwork to survive against other infantry unless it's AV grenades which are just wrong and Forges which lose next to no anti-infantry ability aswell other than their slow movement which is compensated with higher base hp ... and how is limiting ammo forcing teamwork out of vehicles, infantry don't need teamwork to run to a supply depot for ammo, nor would vehicles

Why should vehicles have an ammo limit? its a vehicle, a tank is massive compared to the goobags so i should be able to carry 10 times the amount if not more, also large turrets carry larger shells

BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT MANUFACTURING AMMO INSIDE A GOD DAMN TANK.
Fine it could potentially be able to carry 10 times the ammo FOOT-SOLDIERS carry but you said it yourself, turrets have larger shells that would decrease the amount of space you have for ammo.

Seriously think about what your saying before you say it.