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Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 233	Posted - 2013.08.26 14:41:00 - [1] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: If you really want me to disect your post here goes ... Takahiro Kashuken wrote: What about diff types of ammo to begin with? explosive, thermal, kinetic and EM we dont have them - No we don't have EM swarm launcher ammo either, it's irrelavant to the idea What about the cargohold for all vehicles so i can stock up on 100k of ammo for the large turret and leave 0 ammo for the small, do i get skills to increase my cargohold? if no cargohold then depots would have to be moved so vehicles can access it, if we need a special nanohive then that needs to be made but also means we need a logi to carry it - no, I can't stock up on swarms and leave out sidearm ammo so why should vehicles be different ... they would have an ammo limit per turret like handheld weapons have, not in a cargohold but in a magazine like modern tanks have, why not have skills to increase them, I did say maps need adjusting and I did mention ammo supply modules for logistics vehicles could be introduced What about vehicle locks? i dont want johnny bluedots wasting the ammo he hasnt paid for - Infantry don't pay for ammo, why would vehicles What about not putting turrets on a vehicle? why should i have to, if i want no small turrets that should be my choice not an invalid vehicle, i can do this in EVE if i want to why not DUST? - irrelavant to requiring ammo for the turrets you do fit, but I agree fittings should be customizable how you want them, why should dropsuits be required to carry a light weapon to be valid What about clip sizes? what would they be? - they would be balanced What about overheating? FG dont have overheating because they have clips so if that happened to railguns then overheating wouldnt be a problem and also we lose some active and passive heat sinks because they are not needed - a valid point to be addressed in the implementation, doesn't affecty whether it should be implemented or not What about skills? if the turrets have clips and reloading do we have skills like the small arms have where we can increase ammo stored, or more ammo in the clip and faster reloading - as you already asked above, I'll ignore this duplicate question What about infantry easily swapping from tryhard fit to AV fit in a second at a depot? a vehicle can not hand around an enemy depot because lolAVnades from behind it so we whack it - my mention of that was in relation to a supply depot that we had already overun and were hacking, the HAVs were just after the easy wp and not thinking about the team wanted to lose the AV fits they didn't need anymore with so many HAVs on our side, they'd think twice if they were at all reliant on these structures If these cannot be answered then no, tbh i want the vast majority of it to be sorted out 1st, i need to be able to control my vehicle, control who gets in it or not, how i can fit it up and not be told it needs to be fitted up like this - they've all been answered now, tbh we should be discussing ideas like this well before 1.5 is set in stone so they can consider all options to make this game fun for everyone, vehicle, AV and infantry alike, yes we've said since more than a year ago that vehicles need control over who jumps in and I agree there shouldn't be false restrictions on how you fit things, but dropping 2 small turrets to fit a large turret with unlimited ammo and all the tank you can manage to be indistructible isn't going to be good for the game, it will have to have some restrictions put on it such as limited ammo. You generally have a Supply Depot in you redline it just means you'd be forced out of the battle for a period rather than sitting there with your finger on the trigger till AV shows up. Why should vehicles have an ammo limit? its a vehicle, a tank is massive compared to the goobags so i should be able to carry 10 times the amount if not more, also large turrets carry larger shells BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT MANUFACTURING AMMO INSIDE A GOD DAMN TANK. Fine it could potentially be able to carry 10 times the ammo FOOT-SOLDIERS carry but you said it yourself, turrets have larger shells that would decrease the amount of space you have for ammo. Seriously think about what your saying before you say it.
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 233	Posted - 2013.08.26 14:54:00 - [2] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So no vehicle locks so johnny bluetard can waste my ammo anyways, i dont want him in the tank full stop, this is an issue And it's being addressed most likely in 1.5. Do you legitimately think this idea of having limited tank ammo is going to be deployed right now? Your logic doesn't make sense. By the time this idea could even potentially be put in the game you'll probably have your damn vehicle locks. Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So because its a vehicle overheating is still allowed, the only way i would allow overheating to stay in with clip sizes if it means i can do what it does in EVE ie it overheats the turret but fires faster but also to repair the turret i need nanite paste unless the damage effects the whole vehicle which it shouldnt Why not just have belt fed turrets? Sorry don't know the lore but that seems like the easiest way to incorporate overheat without reload. Takahiro Kashuken wrote: If turrets have clips and reloading times we need skills to be able to reduce it, dont give be BS answer its our primary weapon like an AR is to infantry yet they can use skills but lol its a vehicle so you cant so it fair Meh. Takahiro Kashuken wrote: No mention of putting supply depots where we can reach them, also no mention of stopping the swaps at depots from an AR fit to AV fit, that alone makes us destroy them because they hide behind them That's one of the main points behind the idea. It makes wankers-er tankers- like you actually want to hold supply depots and do something constructive instead of just destroying them. Also supply depots where you can't reach them? Have your team/squad hold it for you. Do you legitimately think you should be able to be protected from any location you cannot reach? Infantry deal with snipers they cannot reach all the time. What we do is take them out or get someone to deal with them. Let's say there's a supply depot you cannot reach in your tank. That doesn't mean you HAVE to capture it with the new limited ammo rule. You can still destroy it like anyone with a half a brain would.
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 233	Posted - 2013.08.26 14:56:00 - [3] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Bittersteel the Bastard wrote: BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT MANUFACTURING AMMO INSIDE A GOD DAMN TANK. Fine it could potentially be able to carry 10 times the ammo FOOT-SOLDIERS carry but you said it yourself, turrets have larger shells that would decrease the amount of space you have for ammo. Seriously think about what your saying before you say it. How do you know im not? Internal nanites working away in a small compartment of the tank Even if the cargohold can carry more ammo and large does take more space it might not be that much, i can always skip small turret ammo or take of the turrets intead You are absolutely idiotic. Find me any piece of information anywhere that says you could be able to manufacture your own damn ammo inside your own damn tank and I'll concede that you can make your own ammo BUT only at a fixed rate with a cool-down time and an eventual depletion.
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 239	Posted - 2013.08.26 15:03:00 - [4] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: As I said, reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it, this is why you're arguing against points I haven't even made. This is why vehicles are being overhauled in 1.5 ... I bet you get a lot of the things you want like the ability to kick people, you already have a lock timer when a vehicle is dropped so only the owner can get in for so many seconds, why do you need a cargohold when there is no cargo to carry ? all you need is a magazine for ammo, the same as any handheld weapon has. Supply Depots can be placed anywhere with very little dev effort and vehicles operating without turrets is an easy modification when they're "overhauling vehicles" in 1.5. Also Matchmaking is coming in 1.4 which will go a long way to addressing the "2 groups of 6 murdering randoms" problem you mentioned and guess what ... "overhauling vehicles" in 1.5 most likely means the return of the Sagaris and Surya since that's a MAJOR sticking point in the AV/vehicle balance right now. So what you're saying is ... as long as they get these things right when they overhaul vehicles in 1.5 ... you don't object to limiting ammo in this way ? I think we have a breakthrough people ! Until 1.5 passes then we can relook at the problems because i also hope that we get the basic things we need, after 1.4 suprise i hope that 1.5 is ***** good This is what i need in 1.5 for defo 1. Vehicle locks & kicking - Lock can be to squad or corp/solo even, but the kick is for if johnny gets in if i leave it at squad lock and not solo lock which means no **** can get in 2. Adv/proto hulls/mods - Self explantory 3. The ability to take off all turrets - I want to do this because it would make one hell of a funny tank and it wouldnt be too bad to have as it means you can make new and intresting fits Put up on par with proto AV so we can tank it at least and not get insta gibbed As for the ammo, supply depots would need moving & put in all redlines, clips to be made for all turrets and skills to be put into the turret tree for faster reloading, prof skills i would say, also fitting skill book to lower requirements, also not to rely on supply depots a vehicle nanohive but i expect vehicle to be able to carry a far amount of ammo, not 12 shells and thats it 1.5 has to pass 1st to see what we get, until then ammo for me is so far down on the list its really not worth it currently because so many problems exist which are far more important Then why do you always say to nerf AV. You just said it yourself. Wait until 1.5 to do anything.

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