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Exmaple Core wrote:

Absoliav wrote:

Exmaple Core wrote:

Absoliav wrote:

Wait, the Plasma Cannon isn't an AV weapon, the weapons description states it's meant for "confined space combat", unless well be fighting tanks in hallways, I don't think cannons should be in this thread.

It does 1200 direct damage and has a clip of one, its an AV weapon. The description of the weapon means literally nothing, thats just lore and is only slightnly more valuable to dust than the in game effects of real life mechanics

It has very little AV abilities for a reason, the lore supports the role it excels at, if it were meant to kill tanks/LAVs/DS it would have features to support that kind of play.

We have Assault Forge Guns, which work far better at doing AV, PC is meant for infantry, if all a weapon needs is damage to be AV, we might as well call a Charge Sniper Rifle AV.

AV weapons have certain traits that make them AV other than damage, FGs do huge damage over a long distance, but require a charge time and have little splash, limiting it's anti-infantry abilities, Swarms can't dumb fire anymore, so they can only do AV, AV nades track vehicles within range, and do nothing if there isn't a vehicle, Proxies need some work, PCs have about a 4 meters splash radius and a huge amount of splash damage, the reason it has a low clip and slow projectile speed is cause if it didn't the AR would have been replaced.

I'm not saying it doesn't have AV capabilities, I'm just saying it isn't an AV weapon for the reasons you purpose.

again i disagree. Its not a very good AV weapon but it does retain its 100% efficentcy ratting vs vehicals and other high damage weapons like charge sniper rifles and shotguns do not, they cant do AV because their not meant to be AV but a plasma cannon has all the features that an AV weapon describes and none of that of anti infantry weapons have. Anti infantry weapons have large clips, zero bullet time (rounds hit instantly), and do not have splash. They also do not do 1200 damage per shot, its clearly meant for AV, dispite the description of the weapon


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Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 36	Posted - 2013.08.25 13:48:00 - [1] - Quote Wait, the Plasma Cannon isn't an AV weapon, the weapons description states it's meant for "confined space combat", unless well be fighting tanks in hallways, I don't think cannons should be in this thread.
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 36	Posted - 2013.08.25 16:50:00 - [2] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Absoliav wrote: Wait, the Plasma Cannon isn't an AV weapon, the weapons description states it's meant for "confined space combat", unless well be fighting tanks in hallways, I don't think cannons should be in this thread. It does 1200 direct damage and has a clip of one, its an AV weapon. The description of the weapon means literally nothing, thats just lore and is only slightnly more valuable to dust than the in game effects of real life mechanics It has very little AV abilities for a reason, the lore supports the role it excels at, if it were meant to kill tanks/LAVs/DS it would have features to support that kind of play. We have Assault Forge Guns, which work far better at doing AV, PC is meant for infantry, if all a weapon needs is damage to be AV, we might as well call a Charge Sniper Rifle AV. AV weapons have certain traits that make them AV other than damage, FGs do huge damage over a long distance, but require a charge time and have little splash, limiting it's anti-infantry abilities, Swarms can't dumb fire anymore, so they can only do AV, AV nades track vehicles within range, and do nothing if there isn't a vehicle, Proxies need some work, PCs have about a 4 meters splash radius and a huge amount of splash damage, the reason it has a low clip and slow projectile speed is cause if it didn't the AR would have been replaced. I'm not saying it doesn't have AV capabilities, I'm just saying it isn't an AV weapon for the reasons you purpose.
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 36	Posted - 2013.08.26 01:43:00 - [3] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Absoliav wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Absoliav wrote: Wait, the Plasma Cannon isn't an AV weapon, the weapons description states it's meant for "confined space combat", unless well be fighting tanks in hallways, I don't think cannons should be in this thread. It does 1200 direct damage and has a clip of one, its an AV weapon. The description of the weapon means literally nothing, thats just lore and is only slightnly more valuable to dust than the in game effects of real life mechanics It has very little AV abilities for a reason, the lore supports the role it excels at, if it were meant to kill tanks/LAVs/DS it would have features to support that kind of play. We have Assault Forge Guns, which work far better at doing AV, PC is meant for infantry, if all a weapon needs is damage to be AV, we might as well call a Charge Sniper Rifle AV. AV weapons have certain traits that make them AV other than damage, FGs do huge damage over a long distance, but require a charge time and have little splash, limiting it's anti-infantry abilities, Swarms can't dumb fire anymore, so they can only do AV, AV nades track vehicles within range, and do nothing if there isn't a vehicle, Proxies need some work, PCs have about a 4 meters splash radius and a huge amount of splash damage, the reason it has a low clip and slow projectile speed is cause if it didn't the AR would have been replaced. I'm not saying it doesn't have AV capabilities, I'm just saying it isn't an AV weapon for the reasons you purpose. again i disagree. Its not a very good AV weapon but it does retain its 100% efficentcy ratting vs vehicals and other high damage weapons like charge sniper rifles and shotguns do not, they cant do AV because their not meant to be AV but a plasma cannon has all the features that an AV weapon describes and none of that of anti infantry weapons have. Anti infantry weapons have large clips, zero bullet time (rounds hit instantly), and do not have splash. They also do not do 1200 damage per shot, its clearly meant for AV, dispite the description of the weapon From what I've gathered, you see it as an AV weapon that needs some work, while I see it as an infantry weapon that needs some work, for the good of the discussion, I will drop the subject and stay on topic. As an AV weapon, I would say the PC could use a projectile speed buff and maybe 400 extra damage to the STD, with some better scaling across the tiers, I would also propose to have the Assault FG removed, as we can't have two guns performing the exact same job.
Absoliav Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 37	Posted - 2013.08.26 04:55:00 - [4] - Quote Fair point, we do need some variety, but the Assault the PC's behavior is too close too one another the Assault would need to change in some way, or it would make the PC unnecessary, since the assault is far too superior as an AV and anti-infantry weapon, I don't enjoy the idea of nerfs, but it looks like that's what it's going to take to even the playing field for the PC, I know Forgunners a lot won't like this idea.