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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
597
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Posted - 2013.08.22 18:40:00 -
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Absolute Idiom II wrote:Been here since May 2012, start of public beta - no naivete here. It's just 1) I have to be persuasive for a living 2) I work within an agile scrum development process (I'm a Product Manager) and 3) I've also actually met (at Fanfest) a lot of the devs that we are speaking to. I much prefer to talk to people on the forums as I would feel comfortable doing so to their face. The inherent human respect gives much more weight to one's reputation and influence. Certainly CCP as an institution have ending up not paying enough attention to high quality feedback and analysis in the past but becoming arrogant and dismissive isn't going to fix that.
I agree...CCP should listen to you on this one |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
197
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Posted - 2013.08.22 20:48:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:mini rehak wrote:That third screenshot, is that water? Coming soon to Dust 514, Jet Skis!
Yea yea yeaaaa! Then we can slice up with the impeller blades and run over the swimmers! It will be like murder taxis all over again! Oh yes I want :) |
naughtybear 178
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.22 23:28:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:R F Gyro wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:SO you released a dev blog after the patch is content locked
Once again the dust 514 devs make it obviously clear what they think of "player feedback"
guys nothing we say in this thread can change anything it's already done they can not change a thing.
I still love the change and I'm glad it's making it in but it doesn't nothing to restore my faith they care about feedback. Don't be silly how am I being sily? people are giving feedback and all CCP can say is "Sorry we will fix that but no eta" In eve when a dev blog is released it's to gain feedback to change a feature before it's content locked.
Eve is also played on a computer, and not on PSN, CCP has to deal with Sony, and its not your game or mine, it's CCP's and if they want your thoughts on something they wanted to make, so what? People need to stop treating this like they're owed something from the devs, stop complaining a out things that haven't even been released yet, be more positive with feedback, and stop bitching with every other breath that comes out of your word hole. ( not directed at you crazy space1 ) this is a FREE game that you can enjoy for nothing, don't like the game? Don't play it. Don't like how CCP does things? Don't go work for them, but as an everyday player since the beginning of open beta, the games getting better every update, and it sucks when you have to browse through ten pages of butt-sore cry babies whining about every little thing that doesn't go they're way. Grow up people. |
killian178
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
7
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Posted - 2013.08.22 23:44:00 -
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naughtybear 178 wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:R F Gyro wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:SO you released a dev blog after the patch is content locked
Once again the dust 514 devs make it obviously clear what they think of "player feedback"
guys nothing we say in this thread can change anything it's already done they can not change a thing.
I still love the change and I'm glad it's making it in but it doesn't nothing to restore my faith they care about feedback. Don't be silly how am I being sily? people are giving feedback and all CCP can say is "Sorry we will fix that but no eta" In eve when a dev blog is released it's to gain feedback to change a feature before it's content locked. Eve is also played on a computer, and not on PSN, CCP has to deal with Sony, and its not your game or mine, it's CCP's and if they want your thoughts on something they wanted to make, so what? People need to stop treating this like they're owed something from the devs, stop complaining about things that haven't even been released yet, be more positive with feedback, and stop complaining with every other breath that comes out of your word hole. ( not directed at you crazy space1 ) this is a FREE game that you can enjoy for nothing, don't like the game? Don't play it. Don't like how CCP does things? Don't go work for them, but as an everyday player since the beginning of open beta, the games getting better every update, and it sucks when you have to browse through ten pages of butt-sore cry babies whining about every little thing that doesn't go they're way. Grow up people.
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Sirpidey Adtur
Aloren Foundations
47
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Posted - 2013.08.23 00:21:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:It's 2 decimal places in EVE, we kept it the same for consistency seeing as they are the same tax figure. WHY WHY WHY WHY ???? is it just because "well a single rate would be simpler." or is it because adding a second tax rate variable would be a technical challenge? Eve players have been asking for greater control over corporation tax mechanics for years and years, particularly the ability to tax different activities at different rates. Here we've got two completely different activities, generating two different currencies, where the tax proceeds go into two completely different wallets and cannot even be exchanged... What possible justification is there to make the tax rates a single rate?
I've also got to agree with this, but for a completely different reason. There was a point in time when I had my dust merc in an EVE corp, so I could keep track of my friends while my EVE computer was in disrepair and waiting for parts. I was the only duster in the corp, and there was... I think a 4.5% tax?
If I were in the same situation AFTER the changes... it would be essentially 4.5% of the isk goes down the toilet. Since dust isk can only be used by dust mercs, and it goes in the hidden eighth wallet division, where the eve CEO can't use it.
This is a terrible idea, and will discourage mercs and capsuleers from joining the same corporation. We want more integration, not less.
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Kaleena Elianos
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
1
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Posted - 2013.08.23 03:01:00 -
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Sirpidey Adtur wrote:There was a point in time when I had my dust merc in an EVE corp, so I could keep track of my friends while my EVE computer was in disrepair and waiting for parts. I was the only duster in the corp, and there was... I think a 4.5% tax?
If I were in the same situation AFTER the changes... it would be essentially 4.5% of the isk goes down the toilet. Since dust isk can only be used by dust mercs, and it goes in the hidden eighth wallet division, where the eve CEO can't use it.
This is a terrible idea, and will discourage mercs and capsuleers from joining the same corporation. We want more integration, not less.
This gives you, the lone merc in that EVE corp, a reason to talk to your EVE CEO about growing the DUST side of the corp. This gives your EVE CEO a reason to interact with you and pay attention to your needs. It gives you a reason to find more bros to join that corp so the corp as a whole will get more awesome because you mercs went out together and killed all the things. Reputation can mean a lot in EVE, so that gives your EVE CEO a reason to think about engaging in DUST-related activities and that DUST mercs are worthwhile. It gives you a reason to earn trust and prove yourself a team player to that EVE CEO. If you're not an asshat, maybe, just maybe, you'll be made a Director, which will give you access to that eighth wallet so you can do things with it.
Sounds like more integration to me. |
J3f3r20n Gh057
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
59
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Posted - 2013.08.23 03:38:00 -
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The payout is already poor, and nowi have to pay my Corp...Awesome. |
Sirpidey Adtur
Aloren Foundations
48
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Posted - 2013.08.23 07:30:00 -
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Kaleena Elianos wrote:
This gives you, the lone merc in that EVE corp, a reason to talk to your EVE CEO about growing the DUST side of the corp. This gives your EVE CEO a reason to interact with you and pay attention to your needs. It gives you a reason to find more bros to join that corp so the corp as a whole will get more awesome because you mercs went out together and killed all the things. Reputation can mean a lot in EVE, so that gives your EVE CEO a reason to think about engaging in DUST-related activities and that DUST mercs are worthwhile. It gives you a reason to earn trust and prove yourself a team player to that EVE CEO. If you're not an asshat, maybe, just maybe, you'll be made a Director, which will give you access to that eighth wallet so you can do things with it.
Sounds like more integration to me.
Let's see, as a dust merc who's a director in a hisec eve corp, I could actually do some SERIOUS damage to the EVE side, and there's not much I could do to benefit the corp.
Further, my eve toon had specific roles, and wasn't a director, why should my dust char be?
Giving directorship in an eve corp is.... BIG.
And what activities are there that they could do to... at ALL interact with me besides chat? Seeing as I am neither capable of PC, or interested in it at the moment, and that the corp isn't a FW corp, NOTHING.
It's not like I can ask for orca support when shining flashlights on rocks. All I was in for was to be able to keep up with friends, and that worked flawlessly. I'd have to re-consider if there were a tax blackhole. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
609
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Posted - 2013.08.24 16:43:00 -
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CCP wang, let this be an example of how awesome our brains are.... corp tax without an npc corp tax is going to have adverse effects to player corp retention... having a high npc corp tax will incentivize joining a player corp that can keep the tax lower than npc corps while still bringing in adequate revenue.
witness my awesome brain before the ball drops...
also CCP when we are right yet again on this important topic, perhaps you will concede your player base, while a bit salty and short with you have the best interests of this game at heart and are worth your attention on a more intimate level.
you all still have my support and faith you will eventually turn this into one of the most awesome games ever... |
BursegSardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
233
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Posted - 2013.08.26 17:42:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:Regarding not charging NPC corporations we did this for 2 reasons:
- It would be a massive nerf across the board to income, the ISK just goes missing because it goes to NPCs - It is just not a good incentive to form social groups, we would rather people form corporations to play together, not just to avoid taxation. The problem is you have now created an economic incentive for people to not play together to avoid taxation.
Quoted for truth. |
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Enki Kalgarian
Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo
10
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Posted - 2013.08.27 21:04:00 -
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There are a lot of people that want to do PC battles but never donate any Isk the corp taxes will definitely help with that. |
CHIKANO BMXer
Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo
12
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Posted - 2013.08.28 01:48:00 -
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I have just one question what would happen if we weren't able to play for awhile could you ccp guys put something in there like a direct deposite to pay the taxes for us.becuase its not aways possible for me and probaly others to pay a tax as soon as its given. i got school to go to and the adults who play may have jobs. my corp ceo had a baby to take care of he was away for a month so how would people away pay the tax. and if we're paying tax i want to be able to sit in my couch and watch some kind of futuristic baseball |
killian178
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
10
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Posted - 2013.08.28 02:31:00 -
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The tax would be deducted from your battle winnings bro |
Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
60
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Posted - 2013.08.28 05:35:00 -
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killian178 wrote:The tax would be deducted from your battle winnings bro
BOOM!! |
Smooth Assassin
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
94
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Posted - 2013.08.28 15:16:00 -
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Good for me lol no corps |
CHIKANO BMXer
Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo
14
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Posted - 2013.08.28 22:19:00 -
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what if your not playing |
Kain Spero
TeamPlayers EoN.
2014
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Posted - 2013.08.29 07:03:00 -
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CHIKANO BMXer wrote:what if your not playing
This isn't like having to fill out a tax form and actually pay the taxes manually. The set percentage is taken out automatically of any ISK payout that breaks the 100k ISK threshold at the time you make the money (like right after an instant battle match). |
Bhavesh Prajapat
1st legion The Dark Angels
31
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Posted - 2013.08.29 11:54:00 -
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Can you set any 1 > 100 or are there set values? |
Bartimaeus of Achura
Cassardis
1
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Posted - 2013.09.02 05:41:00 -
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CCP Mintchip wrote:Taxes are lame! DUST514's Corporation Tax is not! Learn about an upcoming new feature to be released in Uprising 1.4 in this new dev blog from CCP Foxfour! You will be able to tax your corp members! Woo! TAXES! Fun! is it just me or does this seem forced? |
Dexyi
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.09.05 20:24:00 -
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So.. as im finding out their really is no other corp so far that charges their ppl 20% tax |
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Liner ReXiandra
Sparks Inc Zero Hour Alliance
87
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Posted - 2013.09.05 21:44:00 -
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Doing a query on the corp wallet on the EVE Online side doesn't show any tax trickling in yet, is this correct? |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
745
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Posted - 2013.09.06 02:37:00 -
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Dexyi wrote:So.. as im finding out their really is no other corp so far that charges their ppl 20% tax
lol 20% youre getting screwed man... |
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